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Silencioso is the only on talking straight... mayuga has some good thoughts but he let his arrogance destroy his whole argument. I can see there is no point in even debating with him for he does not know a good amount about black people, and especially black history and black folks outside of LA -s...

I would say modern gang banging is a blend of cholo, L.A. black Crip/Blood, Chicago gangbanger and NY hip-hop culture. I forgot about this nugget in your post, and you know what, despite what haters may say, either because of racial chauvinism, short-sightedness, or a racist agenda, because they wa...

I guess I was being humble when I asked you about the parallels between Surenos and Bloods since you made some valid points, but now you seem to have reveal your true colors and or intentions or maybe you're pulling your leg just for kicks (no pun intended). reading this last post you lost just abo...

I’m going to break down much (not all) of Mayuga’s arguments in key themes that he seems to raise, and will address this portion of my back and forth with him in such a way, seeing as how folks have been sending me messages and emails, requesting that I make my posts more clearer and easier to read,...

Simply put, this cat Mayuga should've never kept preaching that black folks have no heart, and that what we have, we got it from eses/mexican culture-THAT SHIT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE OF ANY MAN, WHO HAS SELF-RESPECT AND DIGNITY. At first I was letting that shiit slide, but when he kept at it, and thro...

Fool I don’t give a damn how so –called stupid you can’t get off in this biitch, because calling you a “dumb ese,” ain’t equivalent to me calling you a beaner, a spick, or a wetback- simpleton biatch (hell this fool got his nerves, demonstrating this false righteous indignation, when he referred to ...

NOTHING ELSE in this argument matters~to be an originator means to be the maker of something.........and we definetly originated this modern gang society in the USA. A lot of L.A. people seem to think that L.A. is the originator of modern gang banging. That's a huge exageration. Go to Chicago, the ...

BLoods are quiet ,vicious--cunning and patient , how could a part of black culture so resemble my own? This is something I wondered about. seem that Bloods were/are bind by more rules then Crips, closer to the honor the Cholo homeboys use to have or some still have. can you enlighten me on this? I ...

I’m going to break down much (not all) of Mayuga’s arguments in key themes that he seems to raise, and will address this portion of my back and forth with him in such a way, seeing as how folks have been sending me messages and emails, requesting that I make my posts more clearer and easier to read,...

Another thing, BLACK FOLKS DIDN'T GET THE WEARING OF BALD HEADS FROM ESES, NOR FADES.

I meant to say in this one paragraph of mine:

"And as far as cortez, but especially chucks-BLACK FOLKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WHETHER IT BE OUT WEST, BACK EAST, OR DOWN SOUTH, WERE WEARING THESE TYPES OF SHOES, THROUGHOUT THE 70'S AND EARLY 80'S.

In other words, if it weren’t for black culture in L.A., during the 30’s and 40’s-THERE’D BE NO CHICANO CULTURE. Good posts as usual but I'm surprised by this comment, do you mean this literally? isn't this the type of comment you've so passionately been countering Eses of saying? or are you saying...

"with the pants getting tighter and the shirts getting longer or the pants getting baggir and the shirts getting tighter,and the shoes changing from nike cortez to chucks to house shoes to wingtips, it has essentially still remianed the same, so we have changed our look with the ages ,but dont let i...

-Well if you want to talk about what we took from blacks you need look very far in your own culture who appropriated the entire gang life of EAST LOS *No, I don’t believe it, for it is nothing but pure fantasy concocted by modern sur revisionists and their sympathizers. Truth be told, there are plen...

I don't agree w/ the bandana thing. If you travel out of LA, black sets (no Crip, Blood, Folk, People shit) have used the bandana to represent. You'll find this in Philly, DC, Baltimore, NO, etc. You can claim that Californian Chicano prison gangs used blue and red bandanas before c's and b's but w...

Oh yeah, and my pops,including his brother (Uncle Walter), would wear blue or black army belts. And no, they weren't apart of a gang, for by the 70's, these cats were in their 60's, or 70's.

I meant to say in the first paragraph, in the above post: "Check out the doc "Fire Next Time," that dealt with crips and bloods, and how they dressed in the late 60's and early 70's, and you will see some (and I do mean some) of the gear that cholos wore and codified as gang clothes and identifiers-...

"This would include "Charlie Brown" shits, sweat shirts, army belts and web/stretch belts. I'm not saying no black people ever wore this type of clothing but in the context of L.A. gang culture, these items were a part of the cholo style before the black gang style." Check out the doc "Fire Next Tim...

I'm one of the older regulars on this board so let me throw in some first hand observations I have about the origins of street gang styles in L.A. Bandanas as fashion and gang signifiers: When I first encountered black gangs in the late seventies they were wearing bandanas/rags. They usually displa...

The truth of the matter is, folks reading my posts on this thread, will see of a certainty, that I am indeed giving eses their props, in regards to their cultural influences, but what I am denying wholeheartedly, are the positions of certain surs, and their sur sympathizers, who claim that EEEEEEEEE...

There you go changing the diuscussion *How so? -if yo want to start a thread called racist mexican eses then go right ahead. *I don’t have to, this thread will do. - because you wont see me denying some of what you said and acknowledging the contributions blacks have made in music, sports etc etc *T...

Another thing Mayuga, as I intimated earlier, I DON'T REMEMBER ESE SURS FROM BACK IN THE DAYS ACCUSING BLACK FOLKS OF TAKING THE BLUE AND RED BANDANNA/BANNER, FROM THEM, NOR CLAIM THAT BLACK GANGS ONLY CAME INTO EXISTENCE, SO AS TO ARROGATE OFF OF SUR/ESE GANGS! As a matter of fact, as was stated in...

Another thing Mayuga, later for your racism accusation. Just because I defend black folks shit with a passion, doesn't make me a racist. As I said before, so say I now and again, and that is-I HAVEN'T BEEN RACIST WITH YOU IN THE LEAST BIT, AND HAVE GIVEN OUT AS GOOD AS YOU HAVE GIVEN TO ME. Now, I c...

First of all, you are a racist, because all you keep doing is ignoring the tons of evidence I give in regards to black gang contributions to L.A. and gang culture in general, by constantly throwing up as a refrain that Mexicans in L.A. are the oldest gangs, therefore AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL gang culture...

One other thing black gang bangers did, and in some cases still do, with the bandanna, that old school cholos never did, and that is-TIE THEIR BANDANNAS AROUND THEIR WRIST.

Another thing black gangs in L.A., and black folks across this country in general would do, that eses never did until recently, and that is-WEAR DOO RAGS, OR STOCKING CAPS! And why would eses/cholos wear stocking caps and doo rags-THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO GET WAVES, OR NURTURE A TEXTURIZER, OR PROCESS...

Oh, and on the clothes tip, as I said before, so say I now and again, and that is-eses have indeed influenced black gang styles of dressing, throughout L.A., HOWEVER, the way black folks accessorized their gear (clothes), and the emphasis they put on certain types of gear, was by and large different...

doing drive-bys and especially on Churches is about the worse thing a Cholo could ever have do. now, the modernization of Surenos is a different story, partaking in things their processors would look down on, a sign of the times, I guess. Not to totally revisit this point, but upon further inspecti...

"black folks were the first to use automatic weapons and the practice of the driveby, as apart of L.A. gang culture." This is also true, Cholos have a long tradition, they (were) bind by many rules. Bloods and Crips didn't have the rules of the Cholo homeboy. doing drive-bys and especially on Churc...

Damn u messin up ur argument by giving out false info, and not reading up on history mayuga. Tatoo culture in America is not a Chicano invention, freaks, sailors and other outcast oddball white people were immersed in the tatto culture, (which by the way always had tats of ladies) before olde engli...

Concerning black folks using automatic weapons and creating the driveby reference in my above post, I should've said something akin to: "black folks were the first to use automatic weapons and the practice of the driveby, as apart of L.A. gang culture." You see, even I ain't foolish enough to believ...

Mayuga said: "Being that whoever had the oldest gang originated LA gang culture." Oh really? Did eses originate stackin'; black street slang; crip/blood walking; throwing sets up in the air (eses traditionally threw their sets down); codify the wearing of bandannas as masks (mind you, black folks we...