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Impala wrote:These are what I believe are the 10 oldest in no particular order.

1. WHITE FENCE

2. AVENUES

3. MARAVILLAS (Arizona, Marianna, Lote, Lopez, Rock, Hoyo, Juarez)
The original 7....correct me if I'm wrong gente, I welcome the learning.

4. CLOVER

5. KING KOBRAS

6. PRIMERA FLATS

7. CUATRO FLATS

8. BIG HAZARD

9. 38TH ST.

10. VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA (VNE)

Again just an opinion..anybody have knowledge on this subject..put it down.

RuthlessBone909 wrote:everyone thinks its WF but i think that Temple or Clanton MIGHT even be older..

GIBBY wrote:

RuthlessBone909 wrote:everyone thinks its WF but i think that Temple or Clanton MIGHT even be older..

QVole homie. Werent you the vato that asked me about this??? The foundation of WF began in the 1920s. I know some lil kids from TST claim it came out in 1923 but I have NEVER seen or come across any PROFF of this, and I have familia that was from TST. It was originally a Chicano/Pinoy hood. Clantone St is very old also but havent seen any proff it was out before WF and HMV. To be honest with you I would have to sat it would be bewteen these two hoods and Im not just saying that because I was Fencing it

RuthlessBone909 wrote:

GIBBY wrote:

RuthlessBone909 wrote:everyone thinks its WF but i think that Temple or Clanton MIGHT even be older..

QVole homie. Werent you the vato that asked me about this??? The foundation of WF began in the 1920s. I know some lil kids from TST claim it came out in 1923 but I have NEVER seen or come across any PROFF of this, and I have familia that was from TST. It was originally a Chicano/Pinoy hood. Clantone St is very old also but havent seen any proff it was out before WF and HMV. To be honest with you I would have to sat it would be bewteen these two hoods and Im not just saying that because I was Fencing it

yeah homie.. i was the one who asked whats older Temple or Clanton....but i wasnt sure if Temple or Clanton r order than WF thats why i said MIGHT...but yeah thats interesting...becasue i didnt even know that WF started around the 1920s...i always thought it was 1939 or 1940.....

RuthlessBone909 wrote:i was reading the history of Clantone right now on their website and one of their veteranos claims that "Clanton street" was already out by 1926...either way..thats pretty damn old..

RuthlessBone909 wrote:whats up Gibby...i was woundering...when did WF start the WS WF?

GIBBY wrote:

RuthlessBone909 wrote:whats up Gibby...i was woundering...when did WF start the WS WF?

Im not sure at this time homie. I used to know one of the OGs from the WS. From what I remember they branched out from somies who were living in Echo Park from the WF Tinies. Ill check with a homie I still rap with and see if he knows. His familia runs deep in WF tambien. Peace

wcrockets wrote:

GIBBY wrote:

RuthlessBone909 wrote:whats up Gibby...i was woundering...when did WF start the WS WF?

Im not sure at this time homie. I used to know one of the OGs from the WS. From what I remember they branched out from somies who were living in Echo Park from the WF Tinies. Ill check with a homie I still rap with and see if he knows. His familia runs deep in WF tambien. Peace

The tinies moved from the Eastside to the Westside and WS started between 74 and 76. The Westside Tinies hung in Tiny Alley near Echo Park and also a tall hill in an industrial area that reminded them of the Eastside's Blueberry Hill which the Westside named (their new hill) Blueberry Hill also. The locos came out of this and spread to Hollywood.

GTS wrote:STATERAISED I KNOW U GOIN TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THEM.

lonewolf wrote:How about SN Santa Nita, and BA's Onterio Black Angels or CS Chino Sinners for the top 10 list ?
Where is Animal Tribe in ?
Has anybody ever heard of Duarte Varrio Charros ?

lonewolf wrote:How about SN Santa Nita, and BA's Onterio Black Angels or CS Chino Sinners for the top 10 list ?
Where is Animal Tribe in ?
Has anybody ever heard of Duarte Varrio Charros ?

lonewolf wrote:How about SN Santa Nita, and BA's Onterio Black Angels or CS Chino Sinners for the top 10 list ?
Where is Animal Tribe in ?
Has anybody ever heard of Duarte Varrio Charros ?

lonewolf wrote:Gracias Gibby. What would be your top 10 list for the Insane Empire outside of San Berdo (Verdugo) & Riverside (Rivas) ?

GIBBY wrote:This is what I put together a while back for that other site.net

In the 20s, Boyle Heights was populated by Anglos, Armenians, Jews, Italians and Japanese. Many new Mexican immigrants migrated to California and some of them found their way into communities like Boyle Heights which is in East Los Angeles. The Mexican section of the Boyle Heights, which was very small, was bounded by 4th Street to the north, Whittier Blvd to the south, Euclid Ave to the west and Lorena St to the east. It was a very close knit community. Everybody knew eachother from the neighborhood and almost every Mexican family attended the local catholic church which was called La Purissima. La Purissima Church was the heart and focus point of the community. It not only served as a spiritual center but as a social center aswell. The leaders of the Church sponserd an athletic club to foster brotherhood and friendship among the Mexican/Chicano minority members within the community.

During the 1920s and 30s there was alot of rascism and violence towards Chicanos and Mexican immigrants in the Boyle Heights area. School aged children were regularly harrased and bullied by members of the larger ethnic groups. Working men did not have the ability to defend thier children while away from the home and most Police at the time did not care what happened to "lil mexican kids". The younger boys in the community decided to form a self protection group which would serve as escorts to and from school for their younger brothers and sisters. This group became known as Lil Fence or The Fence . The name had a dual meaning. Many of the houses in the "Mexican" section of Boyle Heights had White picket Fences along the front portions of homes and walkways plus the City of Los Angles erected a long row of White Fences along Whittier Blvd. Also a Fence is both sybolic and practical as a means of self protection.

The Fence began to become a presence on the street corners of Boyle Heights. There were many clashes and bloodshed through out the streets of Boyle Heights during these times. The original group or "OGs" were very succesfull in assuring that no children would become victims of random acts of violence at the hands of other ethnic groups. As time passed they began to rival with other chicano groups that sprouted up in various parts of Los Angeles. Some of the other "clubs" had names like Alpine St, East Side Clover, Primer Flats, Clantone, Diamond St, and Hoyo Maravilla.

During the next couple of years White Fence slowly moved from self protection group, to aggresive barrio gang. By 1939 The Los Angeles Times was writting articles about the "White Fence Gang" which murdered 2 males and left thier bodies along Whittier Blvd. White Fence was one of the barrios in Los Angeles to activley partcipate in the Zoot Suit Riots and target marines and sailors that invaded the barrios to victimize "Mexicans " in "Zoot Suits" who were deemed foreigners and unpatriotic. This was from 1942-43. White Fence is still a very active barrio and is well respected in the streets and prison system. Many things have changed in the neighborhood since the early days in the 1920s till now. The neighborhhod, WF, has been featured in many movies, books, documentaries, vidoes etc. Much of the modern "gangster style" (Dress, Graffitti, Slang, Lowriders) originated in the White Fence barrio. White Fence has other clicks in Hollywood, Bell Gardens, Alhambra, San Gabriel Valley, Las Vegas, El Paso and Florida. I was a very active member of White Fence The Hole Locos during the late 80s and early 90s. I believe the initial intentions were a very positive and necesarry move, although I can no longer consider myself an active member due to the continous senseless violence that plagues the barrio and other barrios and ghettos in this world. I am not attempting to glamourize the hood or gangbanging but present an accurate picture of real and true barrio history.

LOCATION :

Eastern Border: Indiana St
Southern Border Between Euclid and Indiana: Atlantic St
Southern Border Between Euclid and Soto: 7th ST
Western Border: SOTO ST
Northern Border Between Euclid and Soto: 6th St
Northern Border Between Euclid and Indiana: 4th/3rd St

THE BEGINNING

La Purissima Crowd 1920s
The Fence or Lil Fence 1930s
White Fence 1930s
White Fence Monsters 1940s
White Fence Cherries 1940s-50s
White Fence Midgets 1950s
White Fence Termites 1960s
White Fence Pwees 1960s
White Fence Spiders 1960s-Present
White Fence Monstro Locos 1960s
White Fence Tiny Monsters 1970s
White Fence The Hole 1970s-Present
White Fence The Hole Locos 1980s-Present
White Fence Tiny Locos 1980s-Present
White Fence Lil Spiders 1980s (turned Spiders)
White Fence Malos 1990s-Present
White Fence Alley Locos 1990s-Present

HISTORICAL ENEMIES

East Side Hoods: Varrio Nuevo Estrada (VNE), Lil Valley, Primera Flats, Cuatro Flats, East La 13, esTMC, 3rd St, Vickys Town, Hoyo Maravilla, Marianna Maravilla, MCF, KAM13, Opal St, Evergreen

West Side Hoods: 18st, wsRockwood, Satanas, wsDrifters, wsTemple St, wsTMC, wsAP, wsLa Mirada Ls, wsMS, wsJefrox, wsRebels13, wsC14st,

GIBBY wrote:

GTS wrote:STATERAISED I KNOW U GOIN TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THEM.

LOL Hey State, wasup?