THE ORIGINAL 13 = MARAVILLA

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THE ORIGINAL 13 = MARAVILLA

Unread post by Lonewolf » October 23rd, 2013, 6:28 pm

[quote]Anonymous:

PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13[/quote]

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Unread post by bgcasper » October 23rd, 2013, 7:45 pm

not a lie pegg leg was a mv and tru there was a lot of them

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Unread post by AztecNinja » October 24th, 2013, 4:41 am

He was not a MV, he was from El HOyo Soto not Hoyo MV

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Unread post by bgcasper » October 24th, 2013, 5:39 am

AztecNinja wrote:He was not a MV, he was from El HOyo Soto not Hoyo MV
ok my bad i read articles sayin he mara but u know better

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Unread post by bgcasper » October 24th, 2013, 5:41 am

by the way the og founder cadenas depicted as santana in american me by far the best movie on the subject was not from la area contrary to american me or vatos locos movie beliefs ,so ?were was he from ?

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Unread post by AztecNinja » October 24th, 2013, 7:29 am

The founder was not Cheyenne but was huero buff from Hawaiin Gardens, Cheyenne is a legend for his heart and also he was the first casulty in the Sur/Norte war. And Cheyanne was from Bakersfield but in prison became a Primera Flats member from what I was told.

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Unread post by femun » October 24th, 2013, 3:51 pm

Lonewolf wrote:
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PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13
Are you sure?
Maravilla had their own car even before the MM. Maravilla was the first obstacle the MM faced before unifying the raza.

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Unread post by bgcasper » October 25th, 2013, 2:19 am

[quote="femun"][quote="Lonewolf"][quote]Anonymous:

PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND [b][color=#0000FF]MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS[/color][/b] SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13[/quote][/quote]

Are you sure?
Maravilla had their own car even before the MM. Maravilla was the first obstacle the MM faced before unifying the raza.[/quote]
no ...not in the begining they became tax free tru but not in the first founding years ..i mean from what i heard lonewolf aztec martinez know better

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Unread post by elOriginalMartinez » October 25th, 2013, 10:24 am

Lonewolf wrote:
Anonymous:

PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13
BS!!!

lonewolf - who is this anonymous fool trying to speak with authority... bring his ass over and I'll set his ass straight.



anyways -

it is more accurate to say that the original Mexican Mafia that started in 1957 was made of at least 90% vatos from the whole EAST LOS area

Geraghty Loma

Big Hazard

White Fence

Primera Flats

El Hoyo Soto

Varrio Nuevo Estrada

ect ect ect

and yes, I beleive it was one or two vatos from El Hoyo Maravilla.



there was also a vatp from Clanton and of course a vato from Hawaiian Gardens



but to say - they had the majority is way off base and utter BS

if you read the autobiography "from altar boy to MM hit-man" by Machine gun Mundo from VNE, he'll tell you that si'mon Maravillas had their own car arleady and when they tried to challenge the Mexican Mafia, they got broken off something terrible!!


tell that Mama Verga if they were really 13 why that talk all that "sewer rat" BS on the calles and diss the SUR outhere

but as soon as they hit the county jail, they break that shit down real quick!!! keep it real, ese.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 25th, 2013, 3:44 pm

Why do you suppose that Sur hasn't been able to squash MVs altogether?

Aside from Eme & Maravilloso "politics" ., how could you differentiate a sureno from a maravilla?

You can put a sureno next to a tagger, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a norteno, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a Latin King, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a Texas Syndicate, Tango or even an Azteca
and there's differences

But how do you differentiate a sureno from a maravilla?

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Unread post by femun » October 25th, 2013, 7:17 pm

elOriginalMartinez wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:
Anonymous:

PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13
BS!!!

lonewolf - who is this anonymous fool trying to speak with authority... bring his ass over and I'll set his ass straight.



anyways -

it is more accurate to say that the original Mexican Mafia that started in 1957 was made of at least 90% vatos from the whole EAST LOS area

Geraghty Loma

Big Hazard

White Fence

Primera Flats

El Hoyo Soto

Varrio Nuevo Estrada

ect ect ect

and yes, I beleive it was one or two vatos from El Hoyo Maravilla.



there was also a vatp from Clanton and of course a vato from Hawaiian Gardens
Don't forget to mention that there was also Northerners that were OG members.

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Unread post by BalaHso1 » October 16th, 2014, 11:45 am

Lonewolf wrote:Why do you suppose that Sur hasn't been able to squash MVs altogether?

Aside from Eme & Maravilloso "politics" ., how could you differentiate a sureno from a maravilla?

You can put a sureno next to a tagger, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a norteno, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a Latin King, and there's differences

You can put a sureno next to a Texas Syndicate, Tango or even an Azteca
and there's differences

But how do you differentiate a sureno from a maravilla?
Well there isn't anything to squash, they are no longer green lighted. They got the light lifted like 6 years ago as a matter of fact lol. Even when they were, they were still allowed to hit mainline, and program with us in prison. Their ass beatings only occurred in the county jail.

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Unread post by 282828 » October 30th, 2014, 12:31 pm

maravilla arguably has the most big homies or most originals.. they gotta have over 10..

either maravilla or hazard.

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Unread post by bgcasper » November 1st, 2014, 4:58 am

[quote="282828"]maravilla arguably has the most big homies or most originals.. they gotta have over 10..

either maravilla or hazard.[/quote]thats also what i heard ...hazard also primera flats

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Unread post by 42Neutral42HolyCity » November 6th, 2015, 1:25 am

I bang on mexicans and im dumbinican slash kill yo mother-rian honduran most dangerous fuck boii. East coast rebel fuck a taco, we dont eat tacos, we EAT tacos pussies. come find me and your mother shacking.

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Unread post by Sindirty » June 25th, 2016, 9:06 pm

Whats up with all the false information lol, its pretty well known the founder of EME was from the Hawaiian Gardens gang, Huero "Buff" Flores. I don't know how anyone posting on here wouldn't know that at least, it wasn't Joe Morgan or Cheyenne, those two did lead it into power but it was put together by Huero Buff of HG.

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Unread post by alexalonso » June 28th, 2016, 11:49 pm

Sindirty wrote:Whats up with all the false information lol, its pretty well known the founder of EME was from the Hawaiian Gardens gang, Huero "Buff" Flores. I don't know how anyone posting on here wouldn't know that at least, it wasn't Joe Morgan or Cheyenne, those two did lead it into power but it was put together by Huero Buff of HG.
true, Luis Flores.

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Unread post by razorman55 » July 14th, 2016, 7:54 pm

According to the book THE MEXICAN MAFIA ENCYCLOPEDIA, check out Chapter 19 Los Maravillosos, beginning on page 242. Not only does it reveal that between 1957 and 1973, 22 top dogs from the Maravilla gangs were recruited by the EME with 17 of them being from Hoyo Mara, their photos, true names, nicknames and barrios are posted on pages 244-246. I don't believe Maravilla has ever lost its influence but they resisted the EME for many years because their OG's gave them self-serving propaganda. These individuals had suffered under the EME's wrath in the early years, passed on their misery to the younger guys and were responsible for Maravilla being ostracized for over a decade. Now, for over a decade, Maravilla has indeed been co-opted into the Sureno fold and are represented by an EME member from Arizona Maravilla, a four-time convicted murderer by the name of Alfred "Chato" Sandoval.

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Unread post by sickside » July 31st, 2016, 11:56 pm

One of the only reason why HMV was the one who led it to power or had a lot of members was because HMV was the one with the best hook up for product and connections.

Because if it doesn't make "cents" than it doesn't make "dollars".

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Unread post by razorman55 » August 14th, 2016, 12:08 am

One of the only reason why HMV was the one who led it to power or had a lot of members was because HMV was the one with the best hook up for product and connections.

Because if it doesn't make "cents" than it doesn't make "dollars".

Actually, it was the Hawaiian Gardens boys ("Huero Buff" Flores and "Hondo" Lechuga) who had the best hookups for moving drugs in L.A. in the old days. Then Joe Morgan took it to another level and there was enough Mexican Brown to keep everyone happy! Once the taxing programs began in the early 90's, the solitary goal for the M was to install their Program not only in L.A. but in as many areas as possible - Imperial, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange, L.A., Ventura, Santa Barbara and other Southern and Central California counties. The BOP prison system (and many out of state contract prisons) is flooded with Surenos under the direction of designated Big Homies who call the shots from a Cali or Fed prison. There is today one Big Homie (from a federal prison) who oversees/runs the entire state of Nevada via his outside facilitators.

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Unread post by Apathetic » August 14th, 2016, 12:42 am

razorman55 wrote:One of the only reason why HMV was the one who led it to power or had a lot of members was because HMV was the one with the best hook up for product and connections.

Because if it doesn't make "cents" than it doesn't make "dollars".

Actually, it was the Hawaiian Gardens boys ("Huero Buff" Flores and "Hondo" Lechuga) who had the best hookups for moving drugs in L.A. in the old days. Then Joe Morgan took it to another level and there was enough Mexican Brown to keep everyone happy! Once the taxing programs began in the early 90's, the solitary goal for the M was to install their Program not only in L.A. but in as many areas as possible - Imperial, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange, L.A., Ventura, Santa Barbara and other Southern and Central California counties. The BOP prison system (and many out of state contract prisons) is flooded with Surenos under the direction of designated Big Homies who call the shots from a Cali or Fed prison. There is today one Big Homie (from a federal prison) who oversees/runs the entire state of Nevada via his outside facilitators.
Who is that big homie? Does that mean gangs in Vegas pay a tribute to him or the taxation program does not apply for Nevada?
And in general, in which other countries does the tax program apply and if so by who? Is there any Eme activity in New York?

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Lonewolf wrote:
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PURO MARAVILLA, AND IF ANYBODY DIDNT KNOW THE MARAVILLA GANGS ARE FROM THE REAL EAST SIDE AND MOST OF THE FOOLS WHO CREATED THE MEXICAN MAFIA WERE FROM THE MARAVILLA GANGS SO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS STUPID SOUTHSIDERS GIVE RESPECT TO THE BIG MARAVILLA GANG BECAUSE IF IT WERENT FOR US THERE WOULDNT BE ANY SOUTHSIDE GANGS PENDEJOS. MARAVILLA IS THE ORIGINAL 13
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