Who Started The Blue And Red

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Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by SWblocks-Veteran » April 17th, 2005, 12:29 am

I was having a discussion on another board about the orgins of wearing colors to represent your click. Who started wearing Blue and Red to represent 1st, Bloods and Crips in the streets or Nortenos and Surenos in the pen????

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by Hezy » April 17th, 2005, 7:41 am

How the hell is any1 supposed to know that? Blue and red have been considered oposite colours ever before they even started writing history down. Could have had cavemen painted in blue killin cavemen painted in red.

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » April 17th, 2005, 9:12 am

american flag - RED white BLUE

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by Hezy » April 17th, 2005, 9:15 am

TheWatcher wrote:american flag - RED white BLUE

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russian flag - white BLUE RED
chile flag - BLUE white RED
columbia - yellow BLUE RED
gambia - RED BLUE green
laos - RED BLUE white
haiti - BLUE RED and an eagle

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by WhiteBoy » April 17th, 2005, 10:40 am

i also remember hearing that it came from scottland, with those kilts they would wear being different colors and patters gave them ease in identifieing friend from foe.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by SWblocks-Veteran » April 17th, 2005, 12:42 pm

Hezy wrote:How the hell is any1 supposed to know that? Blue and red have been considered oposite colours ever before they even started writing history down. Could have had cavemen painted in blue killin cavemen painted in red.
Whatcha mean??? Thats just ingnorant to think that, on streetgangs.com the entire history of Crips and Bloods is documented??

Its a simple concept, who started the blue and red to represent???


And if you dont know then why u even posting??

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by Hezy » April 17th, 2005, 2:43 pm

SWblocks-Veteran wrote:
Hezy wrote:How the hell is any1 supposed to know that? Blue and red have been considered oposite colours ever before they even started writing history down. Could have had cavemen painted in blue killin cavemen painted in red.
Whatcha mean??? Thats just ingnorant to think that, on streetgangs.com the entire history of Crips and Bloods is documented??

Its a simple concept, who started the blue and red to represent???


And if you dont know then why u even posting??
Yo man whoa, why you trippin? You never asked about the history of crips and bloods, you asked about who started the whole red and blue conflict thing. Red and blue have always been oposites, and groups always used red and blue to represent themselves. Wether tribes in africa or cavemen tribes or italian fuding houses (like in romeo & juliet) or crips and bloods or cartoons.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by fistfullofboomstick » April 17th, 2005, 6:23 pm

i believed in the beginnin all wore blue rags, but after the crips beefed with other gangs they joined up and wore red to differentiate themselves from the crips, am i right?

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by SWblocks-Veteran » April 17th, 2005, 9:05 pm

The only reason I was trying to find out, is cause I was havin a convo with my Mexican patnas and they were telling me the blue and red thing started between Sur and Norte not Crips and Bloods, thats the reason Im trying to know.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by Oaktown » April 18th, 2005, 12:08 am

fistfullofboomstick wrote:i believed in the beginnin all wore blue rags, but after the crips beefed with other gangs they joined up and wore red to differentiate themselves from the crips, am i right?
Thats the same understanding i got homie

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by CARDENAS » April 19th, 2005, 4:35 pm

SWblocks-Veteran wrote:The only reason I was trying to find out, is cause I was havin a convo with my Mexican patnas and they were telling me the blue and red thing started between Sur and Norte not Crips and Bloods, thats the reason Im trying to know.


Yo Patna is Right ..Plus Were also more deep into it ....you'll never see nortenos & Scraps get together like the bloods & Crips.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by DeaD-SouL » April 19th, 2005, 9:35 pm

fistfullofboomstick wrote:i believed in the beginnin all wore blue rags, but after the crips beefed with other gangs they joined up and wore red to differentiate themselves from the crips, am i right?
yes

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by Unlimited » April 19th, 2005, 10:23 pm

Los Surenos and Nortenos started repping the colors. Crips later on decided to wear Blue and Bloods soon followed afterwards with Red to counter the Blue rag.

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Unread post by se11 » April 20th, 2005, 4:48 am

in the beginning i herd even bloods wore blue, but to seperate themselvs bloods then wore red. thats what some O.G. from F.E.D.S. said in the movie.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by North Face » April 22nd, 2005, 12:47 pm

Theirs tons of info listed on this site about the history of wearing blue and red. Check out the Bloods and Crips Info.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by GTS » April 22nd, 2005, 2:39 pm

The Prison Shoe Wars between Norte and Sur took off around 1968, when 14 went with red, and 13 with blue.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by alexalonso » July 28th, 2015, 1:07 pm

Buddha from Westside Crip was the first one to start wearing a blue bandana in early 1970s

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » July 28th, 2015, 1:19 pm

The truth is that red and blue bandanas didn't even really matter between 14/13, until the 80's. That fact has been proven by those who actually lived in those times and there are pictures to prove it.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by alexalonso » August 6th, 2015, 8:00 pm

MMRbkaRudog wrote:The truth is that red and blue bandanas didn't even really matter between 14/13, until the 80's. That fact has been proven by those who actually lived in those times and there are pictures to prove it.
No, The blue bandana was heavily worn for the first time at Curtis "Buddha" Morrow funeral. Look up the date of that, and thats when the blue bandana started .

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » August 6th, 2015, 9:01 pm

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MMRbkaRudog wrote:The truth is that red and blue bandanas didn't even really matter between 14/13, until the 80's. That fact has been proven by those who actually lived in those times and there are pictures to prove it.
No, The blue bandana was heavily worn for the first time at Curtis "Buddha" Morrow funeral. Look up the date of that, and thats when the blue bandana started .
Is there a story behind that? My statement doesn't argue against that, if that's what you were implying here.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 7th, 2015, 4:52 am

I think we are talking about two different things here! Crips and bloods is what Alex is referring to. Nortenos and Surenos is what the rest of us are talking about. At any rate early to mid seventies is when the North South split became solidified. As far as when the colors thing became set in stone man That is a hard one to answer. I have seen pictures of people wearing bandanas of both colors well into the late seventies and early eighties time period! As for Crips and Bloods which is what Alex is talking about I really don't know anything about. I read somewhere that in the old days CDC used to issue red and blue bandanas. The theory is that as Nortenos and Surenos started to become involved in the NF-EME war they began to adopt the wearing of colores. I have a feeling that this was something that was born in prison And took a while to make its way to the streets. Obviously some LA based Surenos never gave up their original neighborhood colors. As we all know Surenos sport blue, yet Culver city and East Side Wilmas have always been Red Taggers!

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » August 7th, 2015, 8:54 am

I understand that Alonzo is talking about crips and I assume somehow that c he is talking about, somehow paved the way for crips to adopt the color. The bloods started after the crips by a few years later, so to answer the q, it would be bloods and crips who first were red vs blue. I saw an old picture of F -14 wearing both blue and red bandanna, so my point was that the colors for 13 vs 14 couldn't have mattered before blood and crips were flagging in the streets. I know I didn't get too specific and I wasn't sure if Alonzo got what I was saying. Also @ silentwssj, I think when the big homies started, it wasn't so much about sides. It was definitely about some kinda struggle with the m, but somehow that turned into sides and then later on came the colors.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 7th, 2015, 10:49 am

@ Rudog if you ever get the chance to purchase a book, I suggest "prison gangs in america" by Gabe Morales! It covers every prison gang imaginable. It has a huge chapter on the NF. Or you could simply buy his Nuestra Familia book for About $10. Anyhow, it is very thourough. It is filled with pictures, CDC reports, letters and good history. The reason why I bring this up is in that book he gives a real thorough history of who the foundind fathers were and where they came from. Most of the early NF were actually out of Southern California. It was not until the early to mid 70's according to the book "Nuestra Familia a broken paradigm" that CDC permanently moved the NF and EME to permanent lockups! According to the book "The shoe war" this is when both sides started recruiting Nortenos and Surenos to do their work for them. Once this happened each side simply picked a color from the two bandanas that CDC issued at the time. As far as when it hit the streets, well that is another story. I am sure that some neighborhoods signed up right away and others took their time. As I have stated in earlier posts my Hood became Nortenos officially in 1982! I was looking at that picture that you pointed out in Soulerosball. You can clearly see red and blue bandanas being worn. I don't know if that is evidence of anything because the picture says late 70's. VHS was not yet Nortenos. Do you know of any pictures from the 70's where we know for sure that the neighborhoods were Nortenos and you can see evidence of blue and red together?

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » August 7th, 2015, 6:06 pm

@ silentwssj, I don't care to buy those books, as I have said before. It's kool to see some history tho.. You got some points, but my point is bloods and crips were doing red vs blue before 14 vs 13. I don't know the whole story with the colors either, but just sayin.... All I know is that you and I have both seen 14 represented all the way up to some time in the 80's, where it didn't seem to matter what color was worn. Maybe in certain places it was different, I could see that.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 8th, 2015, 3:18 am

It would be nice to have access to more Picts! I am still not sold on the idea that colores didn't matter until the eighties. I still say it was a process. Some neighborhoods probably did wear red and blue right from the start and others probably took over a decade to come around. As far as Crips and Bloods go, I just don't know to much about them!

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » August 8th, 2015, 10:21 pm

silentwssj wrote:It would be nice to have access to more Picts! I am still not sold on the idea that colores didn't matter until the eighties. I still say it was a process. Some neighborhoods probably did wear red and blue right from the start and others probably took over a decade to come around. As far as Crips and Bloods go, I just don't know to much about them!
I feel what you're saying about the process. Just like you I heard about the bandanas and it does seem like the m started with the blue in some pen. How important was it, or big before 1982 is what I don't know. I just know from peeping game on the blood and crips, that they must have had red vs blue by the early 70's. What would you like us to try and get more of, and maybe make another thread on the subject? I just feel it's kinda tired, but I do like to see some of the history like you do.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 9th, 2015, 8:16 am

I don't know if anything else can be added to the subject. Bottom line is we need some older cats to produce pictures or testimony!

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by playermadecholo » August 21st, 2015, 11:34 pm

COLORS DIDNT REALLY MEAN ANYTHING FOR CHICANOS UNTIL THE LATE 90S/EARLY 2000S WHEN UPSTATE SURENOS STARTED TO POP UP AND WHEN OUT OF STATE NORTE/SUR VARRIOS POPPED UP.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 29th, 2015, 8:36 pm

Where are you referring to? I see your profile says Texas. Are you talking about Texas or California? I started banging in 1988 and we were all about them colors. Back in them days late eighties early 90's all I wore was black Nike Cortez's, black dickies, red pendltons, red sweat shirt's and maroon as well! I hardly went outdoors without wearing red or maroon! We used sport red rags a lot back in them days as well! Some of the Homies would wear all red sweatsuits! Colors were a big part of how we dressed!

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » August 30th, 2015, 8:45 am

silentwssj wrote:Where are you referring to? I see your profile says Texas. Are you talking about Texas or California? I started banging in 1988 and we were all about them colors. Back in them days late eighties early 90's all I wore was black Nike Cortez's, black dickies, red pendltons, red sweat shirt's and maroon as well! I hardly went outdoors without wearing red or maroon! We used sport red rags a lot back in them days as well! Some of the Homies would wear all red sweatsuits! Colors were a big part of how we dressed!
For real, maybe where he's from. Chicanos been wearing colors way before that, but that maroon was big here in ESSJ. How did you view maroon, as another red? That's kinda how I viewed it, but it was also representative of the n's in ESSJ. To me it seemed like if you were from WSSJ, you definitely liked to wear black with your red, even though pretty much all n's like to do that also.

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by silentwssj » August 30th, 2015, 8:59 am

I was always into Maroon or Burgundy! It was simply a way to wear red without being so loud about it! We definitely like that black and red combo on the West Side! In the old days Cholos were cholos! Now days every one just wears baggy jeans and dress shirts! Its totally different in my opinion. Especially the girls! When I was growing up big hair was the style! You never see that anymore! The days of pink aquanet cans are over! Lol!

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Re: Who Started The Blue And Red

Unread post by hiphopsoldier1983 » September 3rd, 2015, 10:58 am

One thing that I've heard OGs mention that were in the prison era of the first 10 years that the NF was around was that color bandanas were becoming a factor in prison to identify who was who, especially with the NF, so they don't hit the wrong guy on the yard. At that time the NF/Eme war was real bloody in the pens when the NF was making their name in the CDC system. Apparently, that era of stabbings and killings in prison was one of the bloodiest in CDC history.

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