Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by thewestside » September 7th, 2008, 6:20 pm

Richboy17 wrote:Well if the American LCN wanted to take drug trafficking to the next level they can, but it will be too risky. There code is you deal you die and its been around for years but people still dealed in drugs. Families would be making billions if they got involved seriously in drug trafficking.
mm604 wrote:the deal you die could has been out for years. The italians could never take drug dealing to the next level they missed there oppurtunity to many blacks and mexicans. And dont give me any shit that the blacks arent organised thats BS. american lcn simply dont have has the muscle they are a bunch of has beens
La Cosa Nostra was at the top of the drug trade in America for half a century, from the 1930's to the 1980's. However, the 1980's saw the trans-Atlantic heroin operation between the Sicilian and American Mafias known as the "Pizza Connection" taken down, as well as the rise of the South American drug cartels and cocaine becoming the #1 drug of choice in the U.S. The Chinese controlled the heroin trade for about a decade, from the mid-1980's to the mid-1990's, before the Colombians and Mexicans replaced them after they started refining their own high grade heroin. Those two groups remain the dominant traffickers of illegal narcotics in the U.S. to the present day.

So, in a sense, the LCN didn't "miss it's opportunity." It was simply marginalized in the drug trade by a combination of law enforcement and rival crime groups. Obviously it was never in a postion to control the cocaine trade as it was the heroin trade. And, over all, the drug business is simply too big for any single group to completely control from top to bottom. And for the record, the mob's rule of "deal and die" has essentially been a farce from day one. The truth is, certain bosses in certain families at certain times tried to put strict controls on their subordinates dealing, so as to keep it under control. But even the strictest bosses allowed certain underlings to deal, including Tony Accardo, Paul Castellano, etc.

LCN families are still very involved in drug trafficking, especially those in New York, but it is now primarly at the mid-level. As for the LCN being a "bunch of has beens," for some families that is certainly true. For others it is not.

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by Faciulina » September 8th, 2008, 11:45 am

the italian mafia still controls a big part of the drugs in usa the fbi recently put the ndrangheta in the list of major current traffickers in usa tons of cocaine and heroin are sent to usa by canada that is controlled mostly by ndrangheta and sicilian caruana-cuntrera...
sorry but the blacks are not organized at all except maybe the nigerians they can control just a few blocks of their neighbourhood ahahah the mexicans and colombians are at highest levels in the drugs but sometimes mexicans need the mediation of the ndrangheta and caruana-cuntrera to buy cocaine in colombia and that's not a joke

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by thewestside » September 8th, 2008, 2:33 pm

Faciulina wrote:the italian mafia still controls a big part of the drugs in usa the fbi recently put the ndrangheta in the list of major current traffickers in usa tons of cocaine and heroin are sent to usa by canada that is controlled mostly by ndrangheta and sicilian caruana-cuntrera...
sorry but the blacks are not organized at all except maybe the nigerians they can control just a few blocks of their neighbourhood ahahah the mexicans and colombians are at highest levels in the drugs but sometimes mexicans need the mediation of the ndrangheta and caruana-cuntrera to buy cocaine in colombia and that's not a joke
Yes, the Italian syndicates are still very involved in international drug trafficking, but not so much anymore within the United States where they have been marginalized over the past 20-25 years. The United States government did recently list the 'Ndangheta as one of the foremost international drug trafficking groups, but it was more in respect to Europe, Canada, and Australia. The Nigerians are still very large heroin traffickers internationally but they have been surpassed in this, as well as in their financial fraud schemes (in the U.S. at least) by Mexican and Russian/Eastern European groups respectively. I still don't know where you're getting the information that the Mexican cartels need the mediation of the Italians to purchase cocaine from the Colombians. I have never read anything that suggests that.

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by mnjmc » September 8th, 2008, 2:34 pm

Faciulina wrote:the mexicans and colombians are at highest levels in the drugs but sometimes mexicans need the mediation of the ndrangheta and caruana-cuntrera to buy cocaine in colombia and that's not a joke
No they don't. But if you say they do then give one example. Otherwise what you are saying is wishful thinking.

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by Richboy17 » September 8th, 2008, 8:19 pm

Carribbean blacks deal in kilos of cocaine. They are sophisticated too.

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by Faciulina » September 9th, 2008, 8:55 am

www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30314873.htm

look at this link thewestside...
bush is more scared of ndrangheta than colombians and mexicans i doubt the american government is interested in europe canada or australia they are scared because they know that the ndrangheta is going to become the most important drug trafficker around usa they control a big part of the heroin thanks to their links with pkk and cocaine thanks to their links with farc and auc... sal mancuso is related with ndrangheta members not just connected check this news if you want according to colombian goverment the ndrangheta produce a part of the cocaine by itself there is no any way to stop the ndrangheta because it's too powerful, of course it isn't at the level of pizza connection when sicilians controlled the market in usa but they're going to do something like it

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Re: Is the mexican mafia more powerful than the italian mafia?

Unread post by thewestside » September 9th, 2008, 4:43 pm

Faciulina wrote:http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30314873.htm

look at this link thewestside...
bush is more scared of ndrangheta than colombians and mexicans i doubt the american government is interested in europe canada or australia they are scared because they know that the ndrangheta is going to become the most important drug trafficker around usa they control a big part of the heroin thanks to their links with pkk and cocaine thanks to their links with farc and auc... sal mancuso is related with ndrangheta members not just connected check this news if you want according to colombian goverment the ndrangheta produce a part of the cocaine by itself there is no any way to stop the ndrangheta because it's too powerful, of course it isn't at the level of pizza connection when sicilians controlled the market in usa but they're going to do something like it
The U.S. government routinely puts sanctions on organized crime and terrorist groups almost every year. In the past, sanctions have been put on both Colombian and Mexican groups. The sanctions leveled against the 'Ndrangheta were the same thing. Authorities have said that the 'Ndrangheta has an almost exclusive franchise for cocaine being smuggled into Europe. And they are the dominant drug trafficking group in Australia and one of the top groups in Canada. But they are in no position to take over the American drug trade. The Colombians and Mexicans control the trade because they have the geographical advantage and networks for cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and meth throughout the U.S. And even after the Colombians and Mexicans, the Sicilian Mafia still has a much bigger presence in both the U.S. and Canada than the 'Ndrangheta does. Hypothetically speaking, if you were to see a rise in the levels of upper wholesale drug trafficking by Italian groups in the U.S., it would be primarily in the Northeast region. Not throughout the country. Italian groups are still involved in drug trafficking in the U.S. but they are even more now involved in laundering their drug money here from drug operations in other parts of the globe.

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