femun wrote:VALERO wrote: Surenos are just as likely as Nortenos, if not more, to be influenced by black culture. Hypocrisy at its finest!
It's the other way around, don't you think? Take for example lowriders,creased khakis,pendletons,white t-shirts,biscuits just to name a few.
It's not the other way around because Surenos have been influenced by black culture also. The slang they use, rapping, getting the idea of wearing zoot suits from black hustlers and jazz musicians in places like the east coast, the love for old school black R&B doo-wop and oldies music, etc. Blacks have influenced Southern Cali Latinos more than Southern Cali Latinos have influenced blacks in Southern Cali. Southern Cali Latinos are more likely to use black slang than blacks are to use Cholo slang. Mexicans in L.A. are more likely to use words and phrases like "stacking money," "hustling," "grinding," referring to a woman as a "ho," "being down for the block," than a black person in L.A. is to use words like "carnal" or "ese." We see plenty of Mexican guys refer to Mexican chicks as "tricks" and "hoes," but I bet you hardly ever hear a black guy in L.A. refer to a black woman as a "ruca," "hyna," or "mija."
Of course S. Cali blacks have been influenced by Latino culture (like lowrding), but Southern Cali Mexicans have been influenced by blacks. Tell me, Mr. Femun, what type of music were those cholos bumping in their lowriders? That's right, that black shit! Back in the day bumping those black oldies doo-wop and R&B songs. Fast forward to the 80s and 90s and the younger generation of Mexicans, cholos, Surenos, etc. is banging Tupac, Snoop, Ice Cube, NWA, long before they ever listened to Sureno rappers like Conejo, Mr. Criminal, and Yogi. You can't deny that!
Those old-school Chicanos looked real smooth in their zoot suits, a style that blacks had popularized at least 10 years, maybe 20 years before on the east coast in places like Harlem. Now we see these young Surenos in jerseys, looking like they bought some shit from FUBU. Oh yeah, now they got their heads shaved too, something that both blacks AND whites had been doing for years-we all know the stereotype of the big, bad, bald black man was established a long time before the stereotype of the bad, bald L.A. Sureno gangster. L.A. Mexicans were copying blacks before L.A. blacks were influenced by Mexican culture.
And the point of all Latinos outside of Southern Cali being lames doesn't fly since many Southern Cali Latinos have copied and been influenced by black culture. I guess a Texas Mexican saying nigga is as lame as Southern Cali Latino rappers using Zapp beats over and over in their rap songs, especially considering Zapp comes from Dayton, Ohio, a city that is primarily black and white with hardly any Latinos. I guess it's lame for Southern Cali Mexicans to use black slang amongst each other and in their rap songs, so that makes Southern Cali Mexicans pretty lame too, according to your standards. I guess it's also lame for Sureno rappers to use beats from black rappers instead of being original and creating their own beats.
So, since you obviously consider Tejanos lame, doesn't that also make Southern Cali Mexicans lame since some of them are descended from these Tejanos and Southern Cali Mexicans were influenced by these Tejano pachucos? Also, didn't lowriding originally start in El Paso before it hit the streets of East L.A.? I could be wrong but I think I heard that somewhere.
