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Inmates accused of killing prisoner they mistook for molester

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This topic correspond to the post that can be found at http://www.streetgangs.com/news/080811_ ... raphy:Kate Mather (Los Angeles Times) | August 8, 2011

Opening statements are expected to begin Monday in the trial of five Orange County inmates accused of brutally beating another inmate because they thought he was a child molester, officials said.

Jared Louis Petrovich, 27, of Tustin; Miguel Guillen, 48, and Raul Villafana, 24, both of Santa Ana; and Garrett Eugene Aguilar, 28, and Stephen Paul Carlstrom, 42, both of Anaheim, face felony murder charges in the Oct. 5, 2006, death of John Chamberlain just days after Chamberlain was transferred to the Theo Lacy Detention Facility in Orange.

Prosecutors said the five men were part of two prison groups who planned and carried out the killing because they believed Chamberlain was a child molester. He was awaiting trial on misdemeanor charges of possession of child pornography.

A special criminal grand jury convened in May 2007 to look at the incident, and a full report on the death was released by the Orange County district attorney's office in April 2008.

The report states that the death of Chamberlain was a highly orchestrated act. In the days before his death, it said, several inmates made anonymous calls to the Orange County Sheriff's Department asking about Chamberlain's pending charges. On the evening of Oct. 5, Chamberlain was taken to a "blind spot" at the jail, out of sight from the guard station, and was beaten to death by several waves of inmates, some of whom brought water with them from the bathroom to wash evidence of the crime away, the report said.

An autopsy revealed that Chamberlain had suffered severe blunt-force trauma, including 43 rib fractures, which caused respiratory and cardiac arrest.

Prosecutors said they believe that Petrovich was the leader of his prison group and ordered the killing death after Carlstrom asked Chamberlain about what kind of charge he faced.

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 6th, 2014, 10:03 am

This sounds like a bunch of cowards who sucker attacked and in a group because none of them had the balls to call him out to the bathroom one on one. In Poland people online will admit straight up almost all of them saw or ran into that kind of porn whether just by looking for other porn or whatever at one point in their lives. But we come from a real society thats not bullshet. Also, we dont trust or let das, cops and judges make decisions for us and would rather be caught dead than working with a fuard espedially on an assault. Here is a Polish jail how pedophiles are treated (real ones often with murders on their jacket) so its not too nice either but nothing cowardly like this just for a pending chatge:

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Samson28 wrote:This sounds like a bunch of cowards who sucker attacked and in a group because none of them had the balls to call him out to the bathroom one on one. In Poland people online will admit straight up almost all of them saw or ran into that kind of porn whether just by looking for other porn or whatever at one point in their lives. But we come from a real society thats not bullshet. Also, we dont trust or let das, cops and judges make decisions for us and would rather be caught dead than working with a fuard espedially on an assault. Here is a Polish jail how pedophiles are treated (real ones often with murders on their jacket) so its not too nice either but nothing cowardly like this just for a pending chatge:
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No actually it would happen to you spics if you ever went to visit to Poland. But then again, it would be mor fair and manly because we arent cowards and have actual fighting skills.

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Pi laugh at you dying in world trade centers lol. Just as you laugh at this guy you people deserve everything coming to u if you think about it (im just an observer).

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What about liroy. I posted about him in the other thread. Doesnt he just look mean to you and like a shet talker just by looking at him? What would you do if he was harassing your family when you werent around and bragging about it and had a big brother who just got out of the joint he warned you he would jump you with if you tried to do anything? Thats what I remember him being like. And throwing frogs in the air and just saying weird shet to people like "your face looks like a potato" after my brother hit it, etc. do you really think a fuy like liroy wouldnt molest or rape when he already was torturing animals as a kid and stomping elderly men in groups or would not victimize you the way tou victimize or cheer thr victimization of someone else? Lol just for having brown skin hed victimize you.

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Samson28 wrote:Pi laugh at you dying in world trade centers lol. Just as you laugh at this guy you people deserve everything coming to u if you think about it (im just an observer).
Samson28 wrote:What about liroy. I posted about him in the other thread. Doesnt he just look mean to you and like a shet talker just by looking at him? What would you do if he was harassing your family when you werent around and bragging about it and had a big brother who just got out of the joint he warned you he would jump you with if you tried to do anything? Thats what I remember him being like. And throwing frogs in the air and just saying weird shet to people like "your face looks like a potato" after my brother hit it, etc. do you really think a fuy like liroy wouldnt molest or rape when he already was torturing animals as a kid and stomping elderly men in groups or would not victimize you the way tou victimize or cheer thr victimization of someone else? Lol just for having brown skin hed victimize you.
Samson28 wrote:No actually it would happen to you spics if you ever went to visit to Poland. But then again, it would be mor fair and manly because we arent cowards and have actual fighting skills.
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Unread post by silentwssj » January 9th, 2014, 6:03 pm

Throwing frogs in the air and stomping out elderly men are not things to be bragged about! That shit will get you killed when you hit the pen! Samson you need to work on keeping it a little more real here. That picture of the kid by the waterfall? Come on man! I don't care how mentally twisted he is, His ass would beat and quick! It seems to me that you are really drawing at straws here! Real gangsters don't do twisted things and try and turn those actions into something tough or honorable. They handle their business professionally and discretely! They take no pride in beating up elderly people. If you want to fight someone you do it the right way. There is no honor in making someone think that you are going to shake their hand only to pull it away to punch them. That is a bitch move through and through! I am not trying to attack you Sampson. I am trying to educate you though. Grown ass men conduct themselves as adults! Stupid punks do dumb childish things! Just saying! If you want to convince the rest of the world that these polish hooligans are honorable, serious, and a force to be reckoned with, you need to watch what you say and how you say it!

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Youre the one that comes from a bitch cop calling three strike culture with little college jock bitches driving from cars and disrespecting with no repercussions and backing away from bangers like the bitches they are. Or dive bar fight starters calling cops like bitches and lying. Everything i have seen in your culture is a straight coward bitch. Even when i was a kid i saw how weak you people were when some kid lied to his coach on the opposite basketball team that was losing that i called him a name and cussed at him lol. Youre whole culture since youre kids revolves around fake, lying, going to cops or other authorities, and disrespecting with no repercussions from far away or in groups. The reason i brought liroy up was to show you how no matter what i did over there i would not be judged and over there stabbing someone or hitting them with a pint glass is a regular appearance while you and your das and kangaroo courts made me into some sort of a psycho or criminal for simply fighting back against your local culture punkings and disrespects you people are never held accountable for.

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Sampson, I am far from a bitch who calls the cops! I handle mines when the opportunity presents itself believe that! Everyone that I grew up with knows that you never call the police. To do so would be tantamount to being considered a bitch who cant handle his. You would loose all respect and credibility instantly if you did that. I don't think that you can judge all of us in the USA as the same or from one culture. We are a melting pot of many cultures to be honest with you. There is a wide variety of people over here and I can honestly say that we handle ourselves quite differently from one group to the next! It is definitely wrong of you to say that we all act one way! The culture that I come from is a lot different from mainstream American culture. In my culture no disrespect goes unanswered! Men act like men! We take care of our family, friends and community! We look after each other instead of preying on one another. I was not trying to disrespect you. I was just pointing out some things in your stories seem a little weird to be honest with you. If anything I was trying to guide you in a direction where people would take what you say a little more seriously. In this country we conduct ourselves a certain way, you seem to have not yet grasped all of that yet! It truly is all about respect over here! I just want to point out that you seem to have an axe to grind against us Americans! The truth is that people are the same all over the world. Nobody is any tougher than anyone else by virtue of their race or culture alone. All groups have tough individuals and bitches as well. It is a fact of life! I say this to you because you are constantly trying to get people to see tough polish people are. To me they are like everyone else. They simply express their violence differently then other cultures do. It does not make them any tougher, it just makes them different. Then again we are all different from each other right! I think people would feel your posts a lot more if you would just stick to the facts and leave all the petty disrespectful BS out! Just some friendly advice. I never meant to come on here and get into it with you. I asked you some questions on another thread because I was genuinely interested in the topic! I happened to notice that an awful lot of people say bad things to you. After further reading your posts, I came to the conclusion it is because you are trying to pump up your polish people into some superhero type of culture or something! Truth be told they do have some tough people but all of us do! That is where you go wrong! Do not let your pride get the best of you, we are all the same, Human! Hopefully this helps! I really am truly not on here to disrespect or belittle anyone! I come here to learn and to share. That is it! You do have some valid points and I do enjoy some of your videos. I am sure that people would give you a lot more respect if you carried yourself with respect in your posts! Peace out Sampson, Silent!

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 9th, 2014, 8:03 pm

Ok, well a punk from santa cruz sucker attacked me and later worked with the and cops and they all acted like I commited a homicide just because i broke a pint glass on him with a hook after he was still in my face and saw a group of people from the side dome at me. How is that bot being a punk coward bitchz. Ive never done thwt to anyone nor have i worked with das or cops against anyone esp after i started the conflict or threw the first punch. Now i have a strike under the three strike laws and a felony and lost all my work and had to do a county yr (half time) while other people in there wwre let in and out and had multiple charges. How would you not be angry by your country and kangaroo system and cowards if yousuffered like me for simply refusing to be punked while alone at a santa druz dive bar frequented by local faggots?

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I am not doubting your story! All kinds of shit happens in the world right! All I am saying is that you have got to judge people on an individual basis, not collective! It is to easy to simply put people in a box and call them all the same. You have mainstream American people who work normal jobs and go to bars and get into fights. These type of people will sometimes call the police. They are not gangsters though. they are just normal law abiding citizens. It is important to recognize the distinction. Gangsters do not call the police, that would be breaking a cardinal rule. If you operate in the underworld you are involved in illegal activity. If you call the police you can not be allowed to continue in that life because you will be considered a bitch and untrustworthy. Just saying! Anytime you go to a bar and get into a fight you can pretty much bet that the police will be called. It is a business establishment, so fights are bad for business. If you want to see how gangsters act you have to take it to the street. That is where they play! I see that you are from San Jose. I grew up there. Why don't you take a trip to King and story on a Friday night! I am sure that you will see a different side of American culture if you go over there. Just do me a favor and keep your mouth shut. I don't want to get you killed. Just go over there and observe your surroundings for a while. You will see a lot of lowriders and gangbangers in action. I promise you nobody will call the police over there and you will see a different side of American culture! Remember law enforcement has a job to do. It is real simple they take people who break society's rules to jail. You cant call it a kangaroo court, they are simply doing there job. Anytime you get down in a bar chances are you will end up in jail! It is just the way it is. If you truly had a good self defense case I would blame my lawyer if anything! Peace out Silent!

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 9th, 2014, 11:25 pm

No I am in trashhole weak ass hippe slash redneck slash wannabe surfer slash drunk slash wannabe tough guy place where they start the fights or try to punk because they believe they are superior due to being "local" they think this makes them somehow better or privileged to people who have lived in more places than them. Then if they lose they will either jump youor call the cops. They want to be toughguys not gangsters so they pick people who are outnumbered then when they fuk with the wrong bull and get the horns they call the cops.

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 9th, 2014, 11:44 pm

And you dont get it. The establishment did not call the cops. His friends or pool buddies chased me down the street when i was alteady walking away and called the cops while they were chasing and attacking me as i was bleeding from my hand and my flue kicked in. I would have left peacefully but they did it only to fuk me up legally or make me pay for his hospital bill and later they actually kept pressing it and working with the after my family contacted them through a third party to offer pay damages just to destroy me. Even thiugh he threw the first lunch and confronted me originally over a chair. And no in poland they dont call cops. Ive seen numerous bar fights all over poland and bouncers even get down and brutalize people and no one calls cops. Hey even had a shooting and closed down a club with bouncers fighting other bouncers (gangs) over protection racket money and no one calls cops. Rhey hate cops there and fight them in any demonstrations.

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Watxh this video and tell me if there are any cops called or vengences or hard feelings involved:



Oh and i already shared my story how the first night i went to poland last december on another section of the forum how i got beat up and two guys came at me and they were so confident they went right back inside the bar (cause no one calls cops so they knew I wouldnt) and didnt back down or show ear even when i was about to come back with a rock at one of them and later the owner of the establishment saw me hiding around the corner with wood and a nail in it and no one ever called cops. But i ended up changing my mind due to being greatly outnumbered from using it. They just go at you there. Over here if i just go/take flight at someone for talking shet or disrespecting me i have to worry about them following me in a car and calling cops. Hen i was on bail from my last case in january some old guy tried to do that because my friend was supposedly loitering near his place. Its a bullshet culture america. Weak people.

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Ok, here is an example of what Im talking about. These guys made a dramatic statement on video:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/ ... erami.html

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Because they wer enor let in thclub they came at the bouncers with axes and fire. No one called cops. It was omly due to the publicity or video that cops started looking at them adter the fact and adter the video went viral. They came in a dramatic fashion like an action movie and made a statement. Show me any woods or whites doing this in cali.

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And no its not true about white americans being as tough as polaks. Even read the domments here that mention culture shock even americans know liberal californians arent tough:
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Unread post by Samson28 » January 10th, 2014, 3:28 am

Also, its bullshet how you say gangsters dont go to cops in cali. In both the low level general pop (about the farm level or f pod in sc) and the dropout pc pod ive heard guys in there who say they were in there from either slahsing so eone or hitting them with something during or from gang fights. My dropput sureno celly in the dropput pod even said he tried to press charges on some 16 yr old kid he got into a knife fight with outside a store in Watsonville when he was still active.

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 10th, 2014, 2:16 pm

Do you even reslize what would happen to you sur/norte spic gang bangers in Poland? They would literlly make an auschwits just for you and burn you en masse in ovens if the hooligans didnt kill you first.

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Samson28 wrote:Also, its bullshet how you say gangsters dont go to cops in cali. In both the low level general pop (about the farm level or f pod in sc) and the dropout pc pod ive heard guys in there who say they were in there from either slahsing so eone or hitting them with something during or from gang fights. My dropput sureno celly in the dropput pod even said he tried to press charges on some 16 yr old kid he got into a knife fight with outside a store in Watsonville when he was still active.
Uh! well that explains it right there! They are dropouts. Even if all this happened before they officially became dropouts, the cracks in their foundation was present by the fact that they were going to press charges! I guess what I am trying to say is they were already pieces of shit, they just did not declare that to the world yet by dropping out! If your only jail experience is Santa Cruz county that is not saying much. Also it sounds like you were in PC? Why else would you have a dropout Sureno celli? If that is the case, all I got to say is that explains a lot to me about you. I guess water finds its own level! Which is why you would be in PC! Obviously your only experience with Gangster convicts come from coward ass pc cases! Trust me if ever you get to hit the penitentiary and walk the mainline you will see what is up! I don't see that in your future though, once you have been to PC your criminal career is over! As far as Mexican cartels-Nortenos-Surenos go I do not know why you keep trying to compare them to soccer hooligans? There is no comparison! Why would you compare organized crime to sports hooligans? Mexican cartels are by far the most deadly criminal groups out there right now. That is not even up for debate. I am not saying that they are any tougher than any other race, a man is a man! What I am saying is that they are serving the worlds largest drug market. In there business there is literally millions of dollars at stake. If you get in their way they will eliminate you quickly and efficiently, plain and simple! Nortenos and Surenos are closely related to these cartels. They are the distributors of their product. If you get in the way of their business they will do you just as quick. Juarez, Mexico is just a few hours away from where I live right now. They average 10 homicides a day every! How can you compare that to soccer hooligans? They are simply sports fans that happen to engage in battle! There is no comparison!

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I wasnt only in pc. Ive also done time in the farm in san jose and was in the low level main tank that was a 50/50 yard or questionable in sc. But it isnt that what worries me. Is all that redeck trash that thinks its hard and blue collar in santa cruz that just loves the cops. The whole town is full of cop lovers and middle aged people and almost no attractive single women.

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And you're wrong. It isn't the cartels that is the most powerful criminal organization in the world but the russian mafia. The Mexican cartels dont even exist in eurasia while the russian mafia exists everywhere in the world and is just as ruthless. Oh and its white.

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Also to add, they arent just football fans. You are incredibly ignorant as most Americans. They deal drugs and weapons to fund their operations and often it is a cover for their anti government revolutionary activities. There is a reason cops there dont use guns against them because they dint want a civil war. Thats how powerful they are. You think some mexican mafia beany wearing sagging-pants lames could come in there and intimidate them. you know how many of them there are and how organized they are? They have whole cities under control and allies with major other cities. In krakow they kill each other with machetes and they have organized fights with cops using flames and other weapons, plus mexican gang bangers wouldnt be able to easily get their hands on guns there so they would have to match them with meelee weapons most of the time and lose badly. I am talking about your average east side teenage gangster here mind you but still those were most of the eme street soldiers. Plus, mexican mafia is a prison gang not a real mafia like the Polish mafia that has way bigger ties around the world. So they would not let competition come in neither would the russians. Plus, they use the hooligans as a recruitment tool for street soldiers and enforcers so its all tied together. You are just ignorant, I've seen many documentaies in polish and they even found guns on them in the doc titles "killers with machetes" or "zabojce z maczetami" on youtube. Plus, in jails or prisons they would never allow something like the mexican mafis to exist or set up because unlike the california whites, they would fight the mexicans (even if there was a lot of them) for every inch of the ground.

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Unread post by silentwssj » January 11th, 2014, 1:42 pm

Hey there! look Samson I am not trying to argue with you about who is tougher! I have already stated many times over that a man is a man and a bitch is a bitch! All groups of people through out the world have both types among them! That is a fact and can not be debated! Every race has people that will tear you head off! That is as real as it gets! I am not debating that soccer hooligans have ties to organized crime. I am sure that some do! What I am trying to tell you is that their main purpose is to fight sports fans from other teams and cities! A mexican drug cartels only purpose is to sell drugs! It is rediculous for you to try and compare the two. They are two separate things entirely! I am not saying that hooligans are weak or insignificant! I am saying that they are organized for a different purpose and have different goals.

As far as russian organized crime goes, I am sure that they are very powerfull in Europe and Eurasia! That is where they are from though. They should be running that area! Russia is a vast country that touches many international borders so that is not saying much to me. Their influence reaches all the places that it should right! Of course you dont have Mexican cartels over there running things, it is a different continent! They do go over there and sell large quantities of dope though. It is just that they operate in small cells and deal mainly with the locals to distribute their product. They would be very low key over there and hardly noticed at all. All cocaine comes from latin america period! 100% of it originates there. If people over there are using that drug where do you think it is coming from? obviously from this side of the world right! Coca only grows in South America! Mexican drug cartels have taken center stage from the Colombians over the last 20 years. They are the ones moving the vast majority of the drugs now! Every city that touches the border of the USA-Mexico is a flat out war zone right now! Ciudad Juarez has the highest murder rate in the world right now! On average 10 deaths every day! How can you compare that to hooliganism? They are two separate things entirely!

As far as Norteno-Surenos go that is the mafia for the southwest! They are the ones who are pushing all the weight and doing all the dirt! Traditional Italian crime familys over here are virtually non existent! I have traveled through the California prison system a few times! I have done level 1-2-3 time in various institutions. Never once have I come across an italian or Russian Mafioso! Ever! You know why because they dont matter out here! Economically they can not compete. The various Hispanic groups have complete control of the streets and the jails. That is the truth! I am not saying that they do not exist. I am saying that they are insignificant in the grand scheme of things in this area! In fact they are simply customers of the mexican cartels! Chew on that one for a while! I predict that these california based prison and street gangs will in the next 50 years come to be what the Italian mafia once was. they are branching out all through the country and setting up small chapters wherever they go. Give it time, eventually you will see a change in the various states throughout the country! All criminals sell product to make their money. All that product comes through the Mexican cartels. The NF and the EME as well as various other hispanic gangs throughout the southwest are their trusted distributors of all this product! You may not recognize what is happening yet but they are fast becoming the Mafia of the new era! I bet in 50 years they will have completely shut out the Cosa Nostra! Give it time this is just in its infancy!

As far as American people go, you keep bringing up all these incidents where people call the cops on you! I am sure that you are getting into fights with white people at public establishments? Those are civilians! Only a dumbass would fight them out in public and expect anything different. I guarante you if you go and seek out Nortenos or Surenos in San jose and pick a fight with them they will not call the cops. They are criminals and they operate on different principals or rules, they know better! Quite trying to put all of americans in a box and call us the same we are not. It is true that we are all americans. We all come from radically different cultures though. We are definately not all the same! Instead of even making it a racial issue, why dont you just consider it a crimainal verses "normy" issue. All criminals for the most part will never call the police. There are always bitches though remember that! I personally think that any criminal element would back up what I am saying. All races have people that are involved in crime and those people know that you handle your business outside of the law! Then you have "Normy's" that like to go out and drink and occasionally get into fights at bars. Those are the people that you are talking about. They do not count though. They are civilians and in public! What else would you expect from them! Most Gang Bangers do not frequent these places at all. if they did they would quickly "whoop some ass" and know to get the hell out of there fast! If they did get caught they wouldnt say anything! That is because they follow a different set of rules from mainstream society. They know that if they open their mouths they will get deemed "No good". All races check paperwork in prison. If you are a ratt, sex offender, dropout, been to a PC yard it will show in your paper work. You will get "removed" and fast! that is the convict code! Do not compare civilians to convicts because they are totally different! As far as people in poland building gas chambers for us? That really surprises me to hear you of all people say something like that! Correct me if I am wrong but Most concentration camps were in Poland! They were used extensively against Polish civilians! I can not beleive that you would go there there with me! There is no honor or respectability in those comments and you of all people should recognize that! I have been to eastern Europe and nothing happened! I travelled to what was East Germany and the Czeck Republick. Poland is right next door to those places, So Lets not get all crazy with your comments! It was definately a lot more run down down compared to western Europe. It also was nothing compared to what I have seen in mexico or South America! That is where real poverty exists. Those people are far more desperate to feed their familys than anyone in Europe. Those circumstances plus the fact that most drugs are manufactured there have created a unique criminal element! It is called viscious drug cartels. You get in there way you die! Plain and simple! I am not saying that Russians or Eastern European crime familys are any different! All organized crime groups are equally ruthless. it is about all about that mighty dollar! What I saying is that most European groups are buying from these Latin American cartels! I am aware that Heroin, Meth, and marijuana come from both areas! But all cocaine comes from South America period! This puts then in a unique position of being the worlds supplier of coke! Mexican drug cartels have the highest murder rates in the world. the statistics do not lie!

Anyhow, enough of all of this! I am honestly tired of debating with you! My original purpose for engaging you in the first place was to get you to calm down and become reasonable with your posts! I am truely interested in hooliganism. It is a new concept for me and I have a lot to learn! I noticed that people were attacking you left and right because you were making disrespectful comments towards them. Also you were talking about weird things as if they were tough things to do! You definately speak with racism in your remarks and it seems to me that you have alternative motives for all of your comments. I guess what I am trying to tell you is that there is a reason why all these people are coming at you "sideways"! Hopefully you can see where I am coming from. I am a former Norteno who is into God these days! This is the only reason that I have attempted to calm you down and talk some sense into you. I truely feel as if I am doing Gods work with you. Obviously most people on here just attack you and call you names. I try my best to follow a different path with people these days! I am a child of God so I must act accordingly. With that being said, let me give you some advice. It is not spiritually good for you to be filled with all this hate! You need to come to terms with the truth and the world around you. Stop disrespecting people and coming at them sideways! When talking about hooligans it is ok to feel proud about them but do not try and turn them into something that they are not! If you want to compare European organized crime to American organized crime people will respect you a lot more for that. Hooligans are not that! Quit trying to compare American civilians to American crimanal groups. they are totally two different aspects of our society! it is not fair to consider them one and the same because they are not! If you hate America so much go back to your native Poland! I cant imagine living in a country where I hated everyone around me. Most European countries have a far better standard of living than we do in the USA, so why not go back there where you belong? Even if Poland is poor compared to the rest of those countries you could take pride in returning to your native land and help by turning it around! If anything, purge the hateful speech from your posts. People over here will give you a lot more respect if come at them correctly! From this point onward I will only respond to your posts if you do that! I got far better things to do with my time than debate with someone who is filled with hate and does not speak the truth! If you want to make a point do it the right way and people will respect it for what it is! Most af all quite being a dumbass and making stupid comments that you know will not be respected by the world around you. Hopefully this helps, personally I am tired of seeing you get constantly attacked and disrespected. It will never end untill you act differently though! Peace out Silent!

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Re: Inmates accused of killing prisoner they mistook for mol

Unread post by Samson28 » January 11th, 2014, 2:00 pm

I am not comparing anything. The bottom line is that your preople would not be punking polaks i side jails or prisons or at bars the way you do in california. That it. Poland is a much more violent and agressive society. Almost every single time i went out to sny club or bar i saw violence while you see it pretty seldomly here outisde cities like salinas or los angeles. Also, for polaks going with weapons means nothing and they dont second guess it nor do they have to worry about laws when doing it. Polans dont call cops even civilians. The whole nation hates authority and cops in general unless its anelderly person victimized or something. Polaks are known throughout the world for liking to fight unlike you who have to say things in pc like "oh you might hVe to fight oroh you might do this" like its supposed to be some scary thing when polaks depe down like it. Thats what separates us. Also recruiting little kids to do your bidding or drive bys is nothing to be proud of. Polaks would tear youre little pc wannabe bangers up constantly bringing that shet up when in there you wouldnt have any guns to back it up. And ive seen the way you people put your names on chairs and tables there trying to control those pussy whites like if you could do it to polaks. There is a rewson in poland no one tries to be hard and the population is 97% homonegous. Ive seen the way they are with my own eyes. They dont back down from taking flight at someone. I a not saying they are all some badass killers all im saying is they wouldnt get punked by you.

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Re: Inmates accused of killing prisoner they mistook for mol

Unread post by Samson28 » January 11th, 2014, 2:03 pm

And they wouldnt be preying on their own like these coward dipe fiend tradh whites do in california esp pc.

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Unread post by Samson28 » January 11th, 2014, 2:11 pm

I dont want to be hateful or racist its just i come from such a different culture than you.i hate and cant stand the sound of loud playing mariahce music for instance because it sounds homosexual to me yet you guys always have to play it with your car windows down for everyone to hear. I also cant atand how hard you think you are when in poland you wouldnt be wlaking around like that you and me know it. They check you over there just for acting that way in public or walking i to the wrong hood. They. Actually have hoods there unlike the pussy white people in claifornia who are filled with fake gold digger tradh culture. I am part of real. I am part of the real culture. Watch this video and tell me california whites. Are anything like this:



Watch the way they all gather in the hood shaking hands tatted up. In my old hood i wrote about it was one g after another getting out with all sorts of jackets like murders, etc. it was a real hood in the claifornia sense of the woods. Shit was popping off. You lived in constant adrenaline. It was real living none of that fake consumerism shet.

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Re: Inmates accused of killing prisoner they mistook for mol

Unread post by Samson28 » January 11th, 2014, 2:23 pm

Like I said, they are not afraid to use weapons and hospitalize people even foreigners for mall disrspects there;
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... -1-6329770

It would be much harder tojust come in there with your chest pumped out like you do to whites in claifornia. I am not saying eventually you could build something there but it would be a long way and at the end you may form some sort of working relationship only and only if you act very respectfully or else there would be many people trying to off you. Polaks dont mind using weapons at all.

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