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Unread post by dutch » December 1st, 2005, 10:49 am

There is a black Hell's Angel in Holland in a chapter in Amsterdam, he is the president of the Hell's Angel.He comes from Indonesia.

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Unread post by Trey » December 1st, 2005, 3:09 pm

dutch wrote:There is a black Hell's Angel in Holland in a chapter in Amsterdam, he is the president of the Hell's Angel.He comes from Indonesia.


Indonesian people are Asian not black.

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Unread post by shadoworder » December 2nd, 2005, 12:43 am

Trey wrote:
dutch wrote:There is a black Hell's Angel in Holland in a chapter in Amsterdam, he is the president of the Hell's Angel.He comes from Indonesia.


Indonesian people are Asian not black.


Oh and I cant forget to mention the racially motivated Murder of that black guy Meridith Hunter, by a gang of Angels at the Rolling Stones concert at Altamont in 1969.That whole incident started because Meridiths date that night was a White Girl and the Angels didnt like that and started Harrassing him,and of course things escalated after that.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 2nd, 2005, 4:21 am

DC wrote:There might not be many black members, but they definately have some members with hispanic ancestory. The Hells Angels are not a racist organization, they are a 1% Motorcycle Club.
The Mongols and the Bandidos have a large number of hispanic members also, especially the Mongols LA Chapters.

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The Vagos also have hispanic members.

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Unread post by Invincible » December 2nd, 2005, 7:52 pm

someone on another forum wrote they live near their hangout spot:

" i live within walking distance of the '3rd Street Crew' a.k.a. The New York Chapter of The Hells Angels Motorcycle Club.
they are my neighboors! ph3ar 'big vin' and 'bad bart'. rape and murder are just another 'saturday night with t3h boyz' to them.
vus!
but! in their defense, there are no crack or dope dealers, cars(or bikes) stolen or any other kind of fucking around on that entire block! as the crooks ph35r th3 p0//n493 of gettin fucked up if they fuck around with th3 neighnboors as the Angels dont fuckin play.
th3 neighb00rws are k00l with them and they make sure no one fucks around in th3 h00d.
gettin j00r face broken into mush and havin blood-veins filled with brake-fluid and havin j00r corpse dumped in rural pennsylvania must really suck.
no fuckin joke, these boys dont play and no one (even the NYPD) fucks with them.
safe-j; )"

so I guess the Mexicans and blacks and cops dont even fuck with them?

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Trey wrote:
dutch wrote:There is a black Hell's Angel in Holland in a chapter in Amsterdam, he is the president of the Hell's Angel.He comes from Indonesia.


Indonesian people are Asian not black.


The Hell's Angels have said they won't allow coloured(brown,black) people to join.But he is dark brown so i don't know what's up with that.

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Unread post by Trey » December 3rd, 2005, 3:16 pm

dutch wrote:The Hell's Angels have said they won't allow coloured(brown,black) people to join.But he is dark brown so i don't know what's up with that.




I guess they make exceptions from time to time because Vancouver has a Filipino member who is just as brown as that Indonesian guy.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 3rd, 2005, 6:52 pm

Trey wrote:
dutch wrote:The Hell's Angels have said they won't allow coloured(brown,black) people to join.But he is dark brown so i don't know what's up with that.




I guess they make exceptions from time to time because Vancouver has a Filipino member who is just as brown as that Indonesian guy.



Not in the states though...that ain't gonna happen.

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Unread post by DC » December 5th, 2005, 4:36 pm

I cannot see why this will not happen in the states, they already have some hispanic members who are darker then most of there members.
Im not saying they will have black African Americans but some brown skinned people may be allowed in.

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Unread post by Jota » December 5th, 2005, 4:57 pm

The hells angels arent gangsters so i dont know what the fuck they are in the organized crime maybe in the basura section, this are busters going in bikes that sometime get in fight the HA get dealed by anyone.

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Unread post by Invincible » December 5th, 2005, 11:11 pm

Tonight here in Cali I believe (I just heard on local radio news), the Hell's Angles and the Mongols were at the fire department handing over toys for their annual Christmas toy drive, and there was a staredown between the two groups...

Well you MUST know the rest...you guessed it, gunfire broke out and 3 firemen got shot.

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B.C.'s Hells Angels: Rich and Powerful

Canada is a haven for the outlaw motorcycle gang, with more members per capita than any other country. B.C's Angels have mounted an effective public-relations campaign that portrays them as harmless motorcycle enthusiasts, but they maintain a fearsome reputation in the criminal underworld. The rich and powerful Hells Angels motorcycle club in B.C. -- whose members largely eluded criminal charges and flew below society's radar screen for two decades -- are now expanding across the province, bolstering their multi-million-dollar business network and cementing their territorial stake on organized crime.

The expansion is partly because they are protecting their turf from the Bandidos. A rival U.S. outlaw motorcycle gang with deep roots in neighbouring Washington state, the Bandidos have moved into Alberta and are threatening to set up shop in B.C.

Last January a Bandidos member was fatally shot outside a strip club in Edmonton, where the Texas-based motorcycle gang has established a probationary chapter.

But the Hells Angels expansion is also a savvy business move by a successful and powerful organization with a legendary reputation that is growing internationally.

Eight years ago, there were 70 so-called full-patch members and five chapters in B.C. Today, there are 95 members spread across seven chapters: Vancouver, East End, Haney, White Rock, Mission, the Nomads and Nanaimo.

There are also plans for a new Kelowna chapter and there's talk of another chapter in Surrey, where a so-called shadow support club was established months ago.

The Renegades, an outlaw motorcycle group in Prince George that has about a dozen members, is a Hells Angels puppet club.

The Hells Angels, a predominantly white organization, has roughly 2,000 members worldwide, with chapters in Canada, the U.S., Europe, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and South America.

Canada has more Hells Angels members per capita than any other country, including the U.S., where there are chapters in about 20 states.

At the same time as B.C.'s Hells Angels became some of the wealthiest bikers in the country, they've used a public relations campaign to establish an image as a harmless club of motorcycle enthusiasts.

Sure, a few members have criminal records, the club maintains, but any large organization has people who have run-ins with the law. That doesn't make them a criminal organization, the Hells Angels say.

But in the criminal underworld, the Hells Angels have a fearsome reputation.

The trial last year of contract killer Mickie (Phil) Smith heard evidence that one of Smith's five murder victims was Paul Percy Soluk, 33, who had ripped off Hells Angels marijuana-growing operations. Smith said he was told by an Asian gangster named Brian, who arranged the murder, that it was being done for the East End chapter of the Hells Angels.

Police never found the body of Soluk, who was killed in 1999. Smith, a 56-year-old former life-insurance salesman, confessed to an undercover officer posing as a crime boss that Soluk was located in a Surrey crack house and taken to a garage in Surrey, where he was shot.

Smith said a man he called Yurik helped chop up the body and dispose of it.

"He's not an Angel but he works with the Angels," Smith said of Yurik. "I know he's done lots of hits."

Police said the Smith case underscores how Hells Angels distance themselves from crimes that could put them behind bars for life, instead contracting out to other gangsters -- a marriage of convenience, of sorts.

So far, Hells Angels in B.C. have avoided the kind of violent and bloody public turf war that erupted on Montreal streets with the rival Rock Machine biker gang, which sparked the political will and funding to target the bikers and prosecute them on charges of murder, extortion, drug trafficking and making money from prostitution.

Here in B.C., the Hells Angels have operated largely unopposed by rival biker gangs, allowing them to consolidate operations.

"They are disciplined and well led," said RCMP Insp. Bob Paulson, who is in charge of major investigations involving outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Although the Angels have a reputation for violence and retaliation, for the most part B.C. has not seen the deaths of innocent victims caught in the crossfire, unlike Montreal, where the death of a young boy outraged the public, who pressured politicians to take action.

"Arguably there are a number of murders attributed to the HA in B.C., but they're all kind of within their element . . . there was no spillover," Paulson said.

But even without the kind of street warfare that erupted in Quebec, having the Hells Angels spread across B.C. is expected to create spinoff effects from increased underworld activity, including rising insurance rates to cover damage caused by marijuana-growing operations in houses.

The huge profits reaped from the drug trade, police say, have been used by Hells Angels to establish legitimate businesses ranging from trucking firms and retail cellular-phone outlets to travel agencies, coffee bars and hip clothing stores.

Members of the public generally do not know they are frequenting businesses owned by Hells Angels members, since police chose for years not to publicize that information.

And many Hells Angels use nominees -- trusted associates who register companies in their names -- to hide business assets, police say.

Vancouver police chief Jamie Graham vowed to "shine the light" on Hells Angels activity when he took over as chair last August of the national strategy to combat outlaw motorcycle gangs for the Canadian Association of Chief of Police.

The public is also affected by the hundreds of Hells Angels "associates" -- a network of friends of club members who have been known to infiltrate the country's ports, phone companies, the post office and other government offices where private information can be obtained about citizens who run afoul of the Angels.

"The ports is an example where they use their associates to facilitate criminal activity," said Inspector Andy Richards, in charge of the outlaw motorcycle gang unit within the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit, the successor to the Organized Crime Agency of B.C.

"The telephone company, or Shaw Cable or ICBC, that's an example where they've just got this wide-range of contacts ... where they can just make a phone call and get something done, if they need to, for example, run a licence plate," Richards said.

Hells Angels members also have used the collective muscle of the organization to push aside competitors in certain business ventures, he said.

There used to be six or seven agencies that handled strippers in Vancouver, but now two are controlled by the Angels or associates and one is an independent, Richards said.

In the early 1990s, Richards said, the now-dead Hells Angels member Donald Roming was one of the key enforcers helping push others out of the stripper business -- at one point seriously assaulting one of the owners of another agency.

"Without speaking ill of the dead, he was responsible for laying a very serious beating on a 67-year-old man who was involved with one of the independent companies at the time, to the point this guy was hospitalized," he explained.

There were no arrests from these "takeovers" because of the victims' reluctance to report the activities to police, he added.

Over the years, Richards has seen two levels of Hells Angels develop: "You're seeing the original old-timers, some of whom are 9-to-5ers who have legitimate jobs driving a truck."

A lot of the old guys are in it for camaraderie and brotherhood, he said, but most of the younger guys are in it for the money, the power and the respect that the Hells-Angels patch commands. "The younger guys see it as a real entrepreneurial activity to get into the club, to have that protective layer around you, to make money," Richards said.

But not all the old-timers are members just for the camaraderie. Some are masters of setting up shell companies to manipulate the stock market in what are called "pump and dump" schemes -- buying shares to drive up price, then selling before the price begins dropping, police say.

The Hells Angels have also been allowed to grow and prosper in B.C. since members of Vancouver's Satan's Angels motorcycle gang originally became Hells Angels in a "patch over" in 1983. For years, there were very few successful prosecutions against full-patch members.

Paulson points to the East End chapter, a wily bunch of individuals who successfully have eluded convictions, despite a number of charges that ended up in stays or acquittals.

"They've long been held up to be the seminal chapter, not just in B.C. but in Canada," he said. "They're wealthy, they're influential and they're successful at avoiding us."

Only in the last decade has B.C.'s patchwork-quilt of municipal and RCMP police forces reorganized their attack on the Hells Angels. They now point to a dozen or so recent successful prosecutions to show police are finally making inroads.

The RCMP for the second-straight year has identified five priority organized-crime groups to target. Outlaw motorcycle gangs -- essentially the Hells Angels and its puppet clubs -- are in the No. 1 spot for the second time.

The Mounties in B.C. have also developed a list of the top-20 organized-crime figures in B.C. and nearly half are Hells Angels members.

"Prosecutions are tough," Vancouver police Chief Jamie Graham said in an interview. But he pointed out: "We're working smarter than we ever have before."

Some officers feel their superiors blew two rare chances in the past decade to turn insiders into informants and bust some top-level Hells Angels and other high-echelon gangsters.

One of the most shocking examples of how police dropped the ball was the Western Wind debacle, detailed in the recent book The Road to Hell: How the Biker Gangs are Conquering Canada. Written by Julian Sher and William Marsden, the book explains how the RCMP in B.C. had a chance to nail drug-dealers for $330 million worth of cocaine when a Vancouver Island fisherman offered to help the Mounties intercept a drug shipment between Colombians and the Hells Angels aboard the vessel Western Wind, which was headed for Victoria.

The fisherman wanted to be paid $1 million and be placed in witness protection, but the RCMP declined the offer; U.S. authorities intercepted the boat loaded with more than two tonnes of cocaine, but no one was ever charged, says the book, which contains sharp criticism of the RCMP's handling of the botched case.

One of those who worked on the Western Wind file was former RCMP officer Pat Convey, now an inspector with the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit. Convey was among those critical in the book of the handling of the case. "It happened and I'm not going to go into it again," he said in an interview. "Yes, I got my knuckles rapped [for speaking out in the book]. I'm not in the RCMP any more."

Could the same problem arise again? "We're human beings and human beings make mistakes," replied Convey. "I think it's unlikely it would happen again."

Meanwhile, the prospect of a fifth-anniversary party for the Angels' Mission chapter appeared to raise little interest in the Fraser Valley town on Friday. Staff-Sgt. Jack Robinson of the Mission RCMP detachment said extra members will be on duty over the weekend to keep an eye on the party.

He said previous anniversary parties at the clubhouse had been without incident.

© The Vancouver Sun 2004

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Unread post by Foooooooolishhhh » December 27th, 2005, 6:28 pm

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Unread post by jeff » April 27th, 2006, 11:39 pm

to bring up the race issue one last time regarding the hells angels. there is a close friend of my families that is a hells angel from the oakland chapter. and he is mixed half black and half white. my dad has known him since they were kids. it isn't common but there have been blacks in the club.

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Unread post by dutch » April 28th, 2006, 7:37 am

There is a chapter off the Hells Angels in the Caribbean.It is called Hells Angels Curacao.But before they could join,they had to lose there black members.That was stated in a Dutch book about the H.A.The Hells Angels in America only gave the o.k. if they would lose there blacks.

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Unread post by jeff » April 28th, 2006, 2:00 pm

i didn't know that happened in the bahamas. it is no surprise though, it has been an issue in the past with other clubs that patch over with black members.

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Unread post by Trey » April 28th, 2006, 6:31 pm

What about Gregory Wooley from Montreal? Wasn't he a full patched member and he was full Black Haitian.

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Unread post by kay » October 8th, 2006, 1:51 am

Psilly wrote:I do know two things that will get a member kicked out is smoking meth & lying to another member.

There used to be rules against using heroin, I am pretty sure that meth is allowed, pretty sure.
They also don't allow pedophiles to join, I don't know what happens if one gets caught after they are a member, I have never heard of it happening.
From what I understand in Eastern Europe the Hells were a large part of human trafficking, which included a LOT of underage girls.
The police (here anyways) can't even keep some of their members from being pedophiles and corrupt crooks so I don't know how the Hells would be able to keep track of every member in every chapter all over the world.

Trey wrote:Vancouver H.A has one full fledged Asian member. I always thought you had to be white to join the club. I even heard one of the chapters has a black guy in it.

I have never heard that there is a full patch member who is asian.
You don't have to be white but blacks can't become full members, they can still be friends though.

You have to be a biker, there is a minimum amount of kms (or miles) that need to be ridden on bikes each year, this can not be covered in a summer so you gotta be die hard.

They have anual meetings where a member or two from each chapter congregates to discuss business that relates to all chapters. Otherwise they are fairly independant.

shadoworder wrote:Oh and I cant forget to mention the racially motivated Murder of that black guy Meridith Hunter, by a gang of Angels at the Rolling Stones concert at Altamont in 1969.That whole incident started because Meridiths date that night was a White Girl and the Angels didnt like that and started Harrassing him,and of course things escalated after that.

I think he actually pulled a gun on them while they were the paid security. I wasn't there so can't say for sure but that's what I have read.

I think in general that (here anyways) the Hells keep certain things in line.
Firstly, where there's a group in public they need to behave to a degree because they are easily identifieable, and second, young 'uns are usually smart/scared enough not to screw around when they're out.
If the governments want to combat the pot trade as well as damage from large scale ops they need only to legalize the shit. Since they claim it's a multi billion dollar per year industry they are stupid to not want that money in taxes.

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Unread post by Trey » October 9th, 2006, 1:56 pm

kay wrote:
Trey wrote:Vancouver H.A has one full fledged Asian member. I always thought you had to be white to join the club. I even heard one of the chapters has a black guy in it.

I have never heard that there is a full patch member who is asian.
You don't have to be white but blacks can't become full members, they can still be friends though.
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Yeh there is one full patch Filipino member. He was all over the news a few years back.

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Unread post by kay » October 9th, 2006, 2:05 pm

Yes that's right, I am sort of slow.
I believe he has been in The Province as recently as 2 weeks ago.
There is a court case going on.

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Unread post by EmperorPenguin » October 13th, 2006, 11:47 am

I know the HA use to run things in Edmonton, you get the Triads doing their thing but it was mostly HA. They venture out into other things as well, strip clubs and the likes. Never had a problem personally with any HA or associates I ran into but I know they did blow up a strip club not far from where I lived because it was being run a little to close to their buisness for their liking. I know some RCMP that have had to deal with the HA but I haven't heard anything out of the ordinary when it comes to those sort of run ins. That's the one thing you'll find with the HA is they know the routine and the have enough high price lawyers that they generally don't make trouble with the cops.

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Unread post by NICKELS » October 23rd, 2006, 3:19 am

CRIPS AND BLOODS GOT SOME NON - BLACK MEMBERS...I GUESS HELLS ANGELS GOT SOME NON - WHITE MEMBERS ......there are few exceptions every group , italians russians jews , asians, latins

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Unread post by Psilly » October 29th, 2006, 11:01 am

They sell much meth, but sniffing is not at all the same as smoking or slamming. Some of them go batshit crazy on meth.
Come to think of it I've never seen one w/track marks but no idea if thats is a rule as such.

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Unread post by kay » November 4th, 2006, 3:33 pm

Oh that is a rule.
They also don't allow pedophiles to join.

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Unread post by ndn outlaw » December 28th, 2006, 12:34 pm

I only registered here to answer some questions here.I have been a 1%er patcholder for 30 years,so I know what I am talking about.I am not HA but all 1% clubs live by an unwritten code.


1.You DO have to have a scooter,generally a HD.This is the basis of our club nature to start with.We are MOTORCYCLE CLUBS...not car,truck,or sidewalk clubs.Many 1% clubs require you sign over your title of your bike when you prospect.

2.Being a biker is not all it takes tho.You must be a man of integrity.You must be prepared to give up your freedom or possibly your life for your Club.You must not be a RAT nor a liability in any way.

3.Most members are Anglo.There are many Hispanic and Native members as well.I my self am mixed Anglo/Native.

3.ABSOLUTLEY NO SLAMMING/SMOKING OF HARD DRUGS!!!! If caught you will generally lose your patch and everything that goes with them.ie,patch,bike,tattoos and possibly some teeth.
My personal opinion on this is no hard drugs period.Snorting can control you just as well as the other.But this is just my opinion.I dont do any of it.

4.Nobody wants a pedophile around.But how do you know one until its too late?If one is found,refer to above post as far as penalty,perhaps even a little more severe.

5.We dont want cops either.See #2...a Rat is a rat is rat.....

In short you must be a biker who is a cut above the rest to ride with the best.

Nomad status is usually given to members who have been in the club for some time.All the 1% club have Nomad chapters.These members are trusted long time members and usually given the task of internal club policing.Nomad means exactly what it means...nomadic biker...not tied to any one chapter and only answerable to the mother chapter.In some clubs,the nomad chapter IS the mother chapter.

There is also a club called the Nomads MC.

I have seen several posts by people here writing the same old media slop painting us as criminal sydicates.These people are full of shit.DC seems to be the only one with any real grasp on it and he has a lot to learn.Society,the media and law enforcement have painted us as criminal organizations to justify their inflated budgets.They create hype in order to insure job security.

As for the guy killed at Altamount,it did not have anything to do with the guy being black.He pulled a gun.When someone pulls a gun on you,you can do 1 of 2 things.You can die or you can kill the motherfucker.This does not matter who or what you are.


I hope I have provided you with a little insight into our world.You will notice I have given you this info for free as opposed to books or movies who are after your money.
Truth as I know and have lived it.

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Unread post by dutch » December 28th, 2006, 1:24 pm

On the streets we all know what the real deal is.With propaganda or no propaganda,that's my 2 cents and i'll leave it at that.

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Unread post by fokjou » February 14th, 2007, 3:50 am

ha-ha -ha you almost wrote that if you believed that yourself.

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Unread post by DC » February 14th, 2007, 3:54 pm

ndn Outlaw,
Thanks for you informative post, there are alot of people posting without any knowledge whatsoever of 1%er clubs. Also thanks for clearing up the Nomads issue, I knew they were older members with a higher rank but didnt know how it all worked. Also if you follow the news on some of the Outlaw Biker sites you would have seen the Nomads MC in the news fairly regularly in Sydney Australia, do you know if they are worldwide?

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Unread post by BlaKK » February 14th, 2007, 4:54 pm

lol @ biker boi tool shed gangs... lol little ol white faggots.

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Unread post by DC » February 14th, 2007, 5:20 pm

Blakk why do you talk so tough, we have all seen your photos and you like like a little wannabe who couldnt do shit.

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Unread post by BlaKK » February 15th, 2007, 12:35 am

lol nigga u mad cuz white bitchez stay swingin on my nuts since i was 12, and not yourse, its funny cuz a white bitch dont even want white dick, lol u white faggot. u fuck any white bitch in cali its a 50/50 chance i already dug the bitch... White boi's get the left overs and left over pussy is like left over chinese food nigga, it aint no good.

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