Evan Joel Alfred from Swans pleads guilty

[SwanNation]

One love to all Gang Members, many lost their lives for some they believed in are you willing to die for what you believed in???
I have lost a lot of homies to this Gang life, to speak on some you don't understand is ignorant but hey if it makes you feel like a Gnagster more power to you. just be careful what you say and who you say it to out in the real world its very easy to be a online gangster isn't it??????

[SwanNation]

One love to all Gang Members, many lost their lives for something they believed in are you willing to die for what you believed in???
I have lost a lot of homies to this Gang life, to speak on some you don't understand is ignorant but hey if it makes you feel like a Gnagster more power to you. just be careful what you say and who you say it to out in the real world its very easy to be a online gangster isn't it??????

[dubts]

why that n*gga got "West Side Bl77d" struck up on him? westside swans?

and to that str8 up homosexual talkin bout swans is a gay name and he'd rather be a GAYLORD ....wow just wow.......i see people r expressing their sexuality more openly now, must be prop 8 or some shit?

[Triggeration]

It easy for scary ass marks to talk shit about a gangs name online but I bet if yo ass was up on Towne Ave in Swan Hood it would be a whole new different ball game. People need to grow up. Typing like you some big bag ass aint shit on the internet. The only people who talk shit on the internet are people who couldn't back shit up in real life. Cussing and typing in caps just shows in real life you some soft ass pushing a false front online.

[gekapone]

YEA WESTSIDE 77 MADD SWANS!!! THEY EASTSIDE AND WESTSIDE...THE WEST SIDE 77'S IS BETWEEN BROADWAY AND MAIN...BY THE POLICE STATION

[Jinky08]

do they consider Main St the border ? and does all gangs see it that way ?

[dubts]

do they consider Main St the border ? and does all gangs see it that way ?

main st is the border, because after main the streets start sayin "E." (east) , anything west of main the streets say "West" , like for example swans 77 west of main is "w 77th st" EVEN THOUGH they east of the 110 Freeway.......... and still considered a eastside gang....... theres coasts and swans that r west of main, i dont see the coasts ever claimin westside tho....

[Stone]

I wonder if he knew the brothas he admitted to killing. I hope they weren't two of his own homies. Being broke pushes some people to rob or kill their own friends.

[Common Sense]

If you want to check out some flicks of Lil Toon visit:
http://www.streetgangs.com/gallery/071208_shaka/
Big Toon was the Swan member sent to prison in the above article.

Those are sad pictures. What I saw was two men who gave up on life. When you resort to writing on yourself and not giving a damn about yourself or your family (girl and kid) your life may be soon over. The small kid and the unborn child deserve much better than that.

[dubts]

If you want to check out some flicks of Lil Toon visit:
http://www.streetgangs.com/gallery/071208_shaka/
Big Toon was the Swan member sent to prison in the above article.

Those are sad pictures. What I saw was two men who gave up on life. When you resort to writing on yourself and not giving a damn about yourself or your family (girl and kid) your life may be soon over. The small kid and the unborn child deserve much better than that.

lol

[Babmuk]

Got a Question:Do Mexican Swans bang B?

[MiChuhSuh]

yes

[xxx]

i never heard of Swans claiming Westside.

Dude got Westside Swan Tatts.

77 Swans are on Main Street.

79 Swans on San Pedro.

80/84 Swans on Avalon.

89/92 Family Swans are off of Central Ave.


im guessin the 77 Swans pushed west of Main Street but that would but them right on the same street of the 77 Division LAPD Station.

I never seen Swans on 77th & Broadway, how would they be able to function?

[dubts]

i never heard of Swans claiming Westside.

Dude got Westside Swan Tatts.

77 Swans are on Main Street.

79 Swans on San Pedro.

80/84 Swans on Avalon.

89/92 Family Swans are off of Central Ave.


im guessin the 77 Swans pushed west of Main Street but that would but them right on the same street of the 77 Division LAPD Station.

I never seen Swans on 77th & Broadway, how would they be able to function?

i don't get the whole westside swans thing, even if they directly west of main, they still on the east of the freeway, in hood terms it wouldnt make sense Swans a reptable e/s gang claimin Westside just cuz the street name starts with a W. west of Main

[dubts]

i never heard of Swans claiming Westside.

Dude got Westside Swan Tatts.

77 Swans are on Main Street.

79 Swans on San Pedro.

80/84 Swans on Avalon.

89/92 Family Swans are off of Central Ave.


im guessin the 77 Swans pushed west of Main Street but that would but them right on the same street of the 77 Division LAPD Station.

I never seen Swans on 77th & Broadway, how would they be able to function?

i don't get the whole westside swans thing, even if they directly west of main, they still on the east of the freeway, in hood terms it wouldnt make sense Swans a reptable e/s gang claimin Westside just because the street name starts with a W. west of Main

just to add to wut i wuz sayin tho, most LA niggaz refer to MAIN as the e/s w/s border, in sayin that, if they west of main then they would most likely claim westside , Swans turf starts east from central and stretches west to Broadway PASSED MAIN , 77th street between broadway and main is West 77th, so there goes the answer to that......
like i said any street west of main is labeled with a "W." ........ MAIN is the dividing line, NOT THE 110.....

[dubts]

but like i said you won't catch the 6 pac west of main claiming westside, neither will the Main Street Mafias
but if u go further south the 112 broadways claim W/S even though they east of the 110 freeway but most of they turf is west of Main street......

[AllhoodPublications]

East of 110 & West of Main:

WS 52 Broadways
WS 112 Broadways
WS 94 Hoover
ES62ECC
ES66ECC
ES68ECC
ES69ECC
ES 97 Gangsters
ES 98 Gangsters
WS/ES Athens Park
ES 118 ECBC

[MrDAC]

How do Athens Park split east side and west side? I think some of the fragmentation is for "effect" tho'..

[MrDAC]

If you want to check out some flicks of Lil Toon visit:
http://www.streetgangs.com/gallery/071208_shaka/
Big Toon was the Swan member sent to prison in the above article.

Those are sad pictures. What I saw was two men who gave up on life. When you resort to writing on yourself and not giving a damn about yourself or your family (girl and kid) your life may be soon over. The small kid and the unborn child deserve much better than that.

you know what...some may talk some sh8t but that is REAL TALK. That man will only attain a certain level of respect in the professional world. Unless he becomes a rich entertanier, business owner or lucks up and wins the lottery....I will gladly put my foot in my mouth. His allegience to his Hood trancends all...even God and blood (his own). They dont realize that people are gazing on those pics much the same way people visit the zoo ...."wow look at those gangbangers....can I touch him..."

[AllhoodPublications]

They dont realize that people are gazing on those pics much the same way people visit the zoo ...."wow look at those gangbangers....can I touch him..."

Yep... I agree...

but its not for them to realize that.. its the naysayers and the parents of kids who wish to immulate them to realize it.

In the end, kids 3,000 miles away wind up idolizing them and dying for a street they never seen.

[dubts]

They dont realize that people are gazing on those pics much the same way people visit the zoo ...."wow look at those gangbangers....can I touch him..."

Yep... I agree...

but its not for them to realize that.. its the naysayers and the parents of kids who wish to immulate them to realize it.

In the end, kids 3,000 miles away wind up idolizing them and dying for a street they never seen.

theres really no difference in dying for a street you never seen and dying for a street you've seen, these younger generation LA B's and C's are almost as out of touch with the original ways of bangin as OT niggas are........niggas are dying not cuz a street or a color but because of battered home lives, neglect, abuse as a child, poverty, etc.....

[AllhoodPublications]

theres really no difference in dying for a street you never seen and dying for a street you've seen

But there is a huge difference when you grow up on that block.

these younger generation LA B's and C's are almost as out of touch with the original ways of bangin as OT niggas are

I agree, but they still in the heart of it, they still have to watch their back, pay attention to borders and turf wars, survive the county jail, deal with gangs units, raids, injunctions, etc.. as opposed to watching a video or documentary and starting your own set in suberbia america or in the woods somewhere, make up stories about getting courted on, and ask what pocket to put their rag in, or what colors does this turf and that turf wear...

niggas are dying not because a street or a color but because of battered home lives, neglect, abuse as a child, poverty, etc.....

I absolutely, positively disagree. Niggas in the projects wearing $150 shoes driving nice whips and diamond ear rings.. Mansfields jumping out of jaguars, range rovers and bentley coupes with two parents in the house, only a small percentage are actually battered as kids and the only ones neglected are born to prostitutes and crackheads.. south central, compton and watts may be below poverty, but poverty in cali has nothing on new orleans, detroit, and so forth... life is about choices.

[MARTINEZ]

Gaylords is by far a worse name than Swans. Easily the worst gang name ive ever heard.

You beat me to the punch ^^^

Shit

Let’s have a lil vote and see which name sounds weak

1. MAD SWAN BLOODS

Or

2. GAY LORDS

…….

Not only does GAYLORDS….Sound stupid as fuck,

but the name is declaring they are not only GAY, But they are the LORDS/KINGS of being GAY

is that how the city of Chicago gangs roll?

[H572DSTA]

i dont really think that swanns sound funny
i think nobody would laugh if a real Swann nigga would stand next 2 him
but damn gaylords....that shit cracks me up
"where you from nigga"? "im a Gaylord 4 life" hahahaha
but i personally like these original names more like Swanns,Fruit Town,Tree Top,Ducky Hood,Twilight Zone or Black P Stone more than
new gang names like "Sex money murder" "Cash Squad" or "Murder Clicc"
all these older gang names got a history and a reason why they call themselves like that
i dont think that Sex money murder gang got a specific reason they call themselves like that

[MARTINEZ]

^^^

Mad Swan Bloods is a very reputable Damu hood.

….

Look at the biggest gang in the entire city of EL MONTE

El Monte FLORES

Flores literally means Flowers

But I assure you no one with real street knowledge/insight thinks of EMF as being soft or weak

I believe the name came from a old community campgrounds in El Monte called: LOS FLORES

Thus the name

That’s firme ^^^ there’s history behind that name

…...

But how can you justify Gay Lords

[necron]

They dont realize that people are gazing on those pics much the same way people visit the zoo ...."wow look at those gangbangers....can I touch him..."

Yep... I agree...

but its not for them to realize that.. its the naysayers and the parents of kids who wish to immulate them to realize it.

In the end, kids 3,000 miles away wind up idolizing them and dying for a street they never seen.

True that. There are a lot of young fools in London who emulate the Bloods and the Crips. Some of them know about guys like Monster for instance and (try) to represent Crip. Some think Weezy is a bonafide Blood and walk around with red rags hanging out of their fucking pockets. Most of them walk around with their jeans halfway down their ass because they think it's cool (not realising the actual meaning behind that shit).

[pistolslanga]

on new orleans, detroit, and so forth... life is about choices.

detroit is FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKED UP

was out there over christmas break

god damn that shit is like the twilight zone or someshit.... fucking made me depressed just being in that city for 20 minutes

[dubts]

theres really no difference in dying for a street you never seen and dying for a street you've seen

But there is a huge difference when you grow up on that block.

these younger generation LA B's and C's are almost as out of touch with the original ways of bangin as OT niggas are

I agree, but they still in the heart of it, they still have to watch their back, pay attention to borders and turf wars, survive the county jail, deal with gangs units, raids, injunctions, etc.. as opposed to watching a video or documentary and starting your own set in suberbia america or in the woods somewhere, make up stories about getting courted on, and ask what pocket to put their rag in, or what colors does this turf and that turf wear...

niggas are dying not because a street or a color but because of battered home lives, neglect, abuse as a child, poverty, etc.....

I absolutely, positively disagree. Niggas in the projects wearing $150 shoes driving nice whips and diamond ear rings.. Mansfields jumping out of jaguars, range rovers and bentley coupes with two parents in the house, only a small percentage are actually battered as kids and the only ones neglected are born to prostitutes and crackheads.. south central, compton and watts may be below poverty, but poverty in cali has nothing on new orleans, detroit, and so forth... life is about choices.

Watts was in the top 10 poorest areas in United States, but thats besides the point, if what your saying is true then why isn't bevery hill full of bangers? if lifes about choices? the places you grow up limit your choices or in a lot of times influence your choices

and like i said it really don't matter if these dudes are emulating blood or crip, if its not blood or crip its something else, the point is these OT cats is dying, you can say its for a street they never seen , that really don't matter, end point is they dying over nothing really and its the same with LA niggas, everybody caught up in that lifestyle is either hauled off to prison or dead, and it got nothin to do with crip or blood, whatever gang you want.. choose your poison.......

[dubts]

heres a lil piece "Poverty of the Mind" - Orlando Anderson


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/26/opini ... .html?_r=1


SEVERAL recent studies have garnered wide attention for reconfirming the tragic disconnection of millions of black youths from the American mainstream. But they also highlighted another crisis: the failure of social scientists to adequately explain the problem, and their inability to come up with any effective strategy to deal with it.

The main cause for this shortcoming is a deep-seated dogma that has prevailed in social science and policy circles since the mid-1960's: the rejection of any explanation that invokes a group's cultural attributes — its distinctive attitudes, values and predispositions, and the resulting behavior of its members — and the relentless preference for relying on structural factors like low incomes, joblessness, poor schools and bad housing.

Harry Holzer, an economist at Georgetown University and a co-author of one of the recent studies, typifies this attitude. Joblessness, he feels, is due to largely weak schooling, a lack of reading and math skills at a time when such skills are increasingly required even for blue-collar jobs, and the poverty of black neighborhoods. Unable to find jobs, he claims, black males turn to illegal activities, especially the drug trade and chronic drug use, and often end up in prison. He also criticizes the practice of withholding child-support payments from the wages of absentee fathers who do find jobs, telling The Times that to these men, such levies "amount to a tax on earnings."

His conclusions are shared by scholars like Ronald B. Mincy of Columbia, the author of a study called "Black Males Left Behind," and Gary Orfield of Harvard, who asserts that America is "pumping out boys with no honest alternative."

This is all standard explanatory fare. And, as usual, it fails to answer the important questions. Why are young black men doing so poorly in school that they lack basic literacy and math skills? These scholars must know that countless studies by educational experts, going all the way back to the landmark report by James Coleman of Johns Hopkins University in 1966, have found that poor schools, per se, do not explain why after 10 years of education a young man remains illiterate.

Nor have studies explained why, if someone cannot get a job, he turns to crime and drug abuse. One does not imply the other. Joblessness is rampant in Latin America and India, but the mass of the populations does not turn to crime.

And why do so many young unemployed black men have children — several of them — which they have no resources or intention to support? And why, finally, do they murder each other at nine times the rate of white youths?

What's most interesting about the recent spate of studies is that analysts seem at last to be recognizing what has long been obvious to anyone who takes culture seriously: socioeconomic factors are of limited explanatory power. Thus it's doubly depressing that the conclusions they draw and the prescriptions they recommend remain mired in traditional socioeconomic thinking.

What has happened, I think, is that the economic boom years of the 90's and one of the most successful policy initiatives in memory — welfare reform — have made it impossible to ignore the effects of culture. The Clinton administration achieved exactly what policy analysts had long said would pull black men out of their torpor: the economy grew at a rapid pace, providing millions of new jobs at all levels. Yet the jobless black youths simply did not turn up to take them. Instead, the opportunity was seized in large part by immigrants — including many blacks — mainly from Latin America and the Caribbean.

One oft-repeated excuse for the failure of black Americans to take these jobs — that they did not offer a living wage — turned out to be irrelevant. The sociologist Roger Waldinger of the University of California at Los Angeles, for example, has shown that in New York such jobs offered an opportunity to the chronically unemployed to join the market and to acquire basic work skills that they later transferred to better jobs, but that the takers were predominantly immigrants.

Why have academics been so allergic to cultural explanations? Until the recent rise of behavioral economics, most economists have simply not taken non-market forces seriously. But what about the sociologists and other social scientists who ought to have known better? Three gross misconceptions about culture explain the neglect.

First is the pervasive idea that cultural explanations inherently blame the victim; that they focus on internal behavioral factors and, as such, hold people responsible for their poverty, rather than putting the onus on their deprived environment. (It hasn't helped that many conservatives do actually put forth this view.)

But this argument is utterly bogus. To hold someone responsible for his behavior is not to exclude any recognition of the environmental factors that may have induced the problematic behavior in the first place. Many victims of child abuse end up behaving in self-destructive ways; to point out the link between their behavior and the destructive acts is in no way to deny the causal role of their earlier victimization and the need to address it.

Likewise, a cultural explanation of black male self-destructiveness addresses not simply the immediate connection between their attitudes and behavior and the undesired outcomes, but explores the origins and changing nature of these attitudes, perhaps over generations, in their brutalized past. It is impossible to understand the predatory sexuality and irresponsible fathering behavior of young black men without going back deep into their collective past.

Second, it is often assumed that cultural explanations are wholly deterministic, leaving no room for human agency. This, too, is nonsense. Modern students of culture have long shown that while it partly determines behavior, it also enables people to change behavior. People use their culture as a frame for understanding their world, and as a resource to do much of what they want. The same cultural patterns can frame different kinds of behavior, and by failing to explore culture at any depth, analysts miss a great opportunity to re-frame attitudes in a way that encourages desirable behavior and outcomes.

Third, it is often assumed that cultural patterns cannot change — the old "cake of custom" saw. This too is nonsense. Indeed, cultural patterns are often easier to change than the economic factors favored by policy analysts, and American history offers numerous examples.

My favorite is Jim Crow, that deeply entrenched set of cultural and institutional practices built up over four centuries of racist domination and exclusion of blacks by whites in the South. Nothing could have been more cultural than that. And yet America was able to dismantle the entire system within a single generation, so much so that today blacks are now making a historic migratory shift back to the South, which they find more congenial than the North. (At the same time, economic inequality, which the policy analysts love to discuss, has hardened in the South, like the rest of America.)

So what are some of the cultural factors that explain the sorry state of young black men? They aren't always obvious. Sociological investigation has found, in fact, that one popular explanation — that black children who do well are derided by fellow blacks for "acting white" — turns out to be largely false, except for those attending a minority of mixed-race schools.

An anecdote helps explain why: Several years ago, one of my students went back to her high school to find out why it was that almost all the black girls graduated and went to college whereas nearly all the black boys either failed to graduate or did not go on to college. Distressingly, she found that all the black boys knew the consequences of not graduating and going on to college ("We're not stupid!" they told her indignantly).

SO why were they flunking out? Their candid answer was that what sociologists call the "cool-pose culture" of young black men was simply too gratifying to give up. For these young men, it was almost like a drug, hanging out on the street after school, shopping and dressing sharply, sexual conquests, party drugs, hip-hop music and culture, the fact that almost all the superstar athletes and a great many of the nation's best entertainers were black.

Not only was living this subculture immensely fulfilling, the boys said, it also brought them a great deal of respect from white youths. This also explains the otherwise puzzling finding by social psychologists that young black men and women tend to have the highest levels of self-esteem of all ethnic groups, and that their self-image is independent of how badly they were doing in school.

Plight Deepens for Black Men, Studies Warn (March 20, 2006) I call this the Dionysian trap for young black men. The important thing to note about the subculture that ensnares them is that it is not disconnected from the mainstream culture. To the contrary, it has powerful support from some of America's largest corporations. Hip-hop, professional basketball and homeboy fashions are as American as cherry pie. Young white Americans are very much into these things, but selectively; they know when it is time to turn off Fifty Cent and get out the SAT prep book.

For young black men, however, that culture is all there is — or so they think. Sadly, their complete engagement in this part of the American cultural mainstream, which they created and which feeds their pride and self-respect, is a major factor in their disconnection from the socioeconomic mainstream.

Of course, such attitudes explain only a part of the problem. In academia, we need a new, multidisciplinary approach toward understanding what makes young black men behave so self-destructively. Collecting transcripts of their views and rationalizations is a useful first step, but won't help nearly as much as the recent rash of scholars with tape-recorders seem to think. Getting the facts straight is important, but for decades we have been overwhelmed with statistics on black youths, and running more statistical regressions is beginning to approach the point of diminishing returns to knowledge.

The tragedy unfolding in our inner cities is a time-slice of a deep historical process that runs far back through the cataracts and deluge of our racist past. Most black Americans have by now, miraculously, escaped its consequences. The disconnected fifth languishing in the ghettos is the remains. Too much is at stake for us to fail to understand the plight of these young men. For them, and for the rest of us.

[dubts]

niggas need to wake up




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230501 ... s_comments

Murders of Black Teens Are Up 39% Since 2000-01
Study Finds Killings Rose More Than Five Times Overall Rate; Cuts in Law Enforcement, Youth Programs Are Cited as Factors

By GARY FIELDS

WASHINGTON -- Murders of African-American teenagers have risen 39% since 2000 and 2001, according to a report due out Monday.

Neighbors and friends mourn Jamiel Shaw Jr., 17 years old, who was shot to death in Los Angeles in March. In 2006-07, the number of homicides in which blacks ages 14 to 17 were victims rose to 927.

Homicides in which blacks ages 14 to 17 years old were the victims rose to 927 over the two-year period of 2006-07, the last years for which statistics are available, compared with 666 during 2000-01, according to the study by criminal-justice professors at Boston's Northeastern University. The 39% increase is much greater than the rise in overall homicides, which jumped 7.4% from 2000-01 to 2006-07.

Murders rose among black teens in 2006 and 2007 as overall homicides dropped compared with the previous year. And the 2000-07 rate of increase among black teens was more than twice the rate of increase among white teens, the study found.

The authors explained that they compared two-year periods to try to limit a statistical skewing of the numbers that might have occurred if they had simply looked at differences in 2000 and 2007.

The data confirm a pattern identified earlier this year by The Wall Street Journal, which found that while most communities in the U.S. were seeing a decline in homicides, many African-American neighborhoods were continuing to see an increase. The Northeastern University research shows that the pattern is more pronounced among juveniles.

James Alan Fox, co-author of the study, attributed the numbers to a variety of issues, including cuts in funding for local law-enforcement programs that were credited with lowering the nation's record murder rates in the 1990s. "It's hard to pin down cause and effect," Mr. Fox said.

An overwhelming proportion of the killings involve black-on-black crime. The reasons for high rates of violence in African-American communities have been the subject of debate among criminologists. Some attribute it to the migration of prison culture, with large numbers of incarcerated young men returning to their communities.

Mr. Fox said the cuts in law-enforcement programs and activities geared toward youth disproportionately affect African-Americans because they are more likely than their white counterparts to come from communities where there is inadequate adult supervision, high rates of single-parent homes, inferior schools and widespread gang activity.

"Cuts in support for youth have a much greater impact on black families who don't have alternatives," Mr. Fox said.
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[AllhoodPublications]

"dubts" wrote:

Nor have studies explained why, if someone cannot get a job, he turns to crime and drug abuse. One does not imply the other. Joblessness is rampant in Latin America and India, but the mass of the populations does not turn to crime.

The Clinton administration achieved exactly what policy analysts had long said would pull black men out of their torpor: the economy grew at a rapid pace, providing millions of new jobs at all levels. Yet the jobless black youths simply did not turn up to take them. Instead, the opportunity was seized in large part by immigrants — including many blacks — mainly from Latin America and the Caribbean.

SO why were they flunking out? Their candid answer was that what sociologists call the "cool-pose culture" of young black men was simply too gratifying to give up. For these young men, it was almost like a drug, hanging out on the street after school, shopping and dressing sharply, sexual conquests, party drugs, hip-hop music and culture, the fact that almost all the superstar athletes and a great many of the nation's best entertainers were black.

Not only was living this subculture immensely fulfilling, the boys said, it also brought them a great deal of respect from white youths. This also explains the otherwise puzzling finding by social psychologists that young black men and women tend to have the highest levels of self-esteem of all ethnic groups, and that their self-image is independent of how badly they were doing in school.

Plight Deepens for Black Men, Studies Warn (March 20, 2006) I call this the Dionysian trap for young black men. The important thing to note about the subculture that ensnares them is that it is not disconnected from the mainstream culture. To the contrary, it has powerful support from some of America's largest corporations. Hip-hop, professional basketball and homeboy fashions are as American as cherry pie. Young white Americans are very much into these things, but selectively; they know when it is time to turn off Fifty Cent and get out the SAT prep book.

For young black men, however, that culture is all there is — or so they think. Sadly, their complete engagement in this part of the American cultural mainstream, which they created and which feeds their pride and self-respect, is a major factor in their disconnection from the socioeconomic mainstream.

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If this article is suppose hold any weight, then it definitely answered your questions about poverty and Beverly Hills.

[dubts]

theres places in india and latin america thats 10X worse then the hoods over here, i don't know where your gettin your info from