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Europeans express outrage with Schwarzenegger

Unread post by Christina Marie » December 13th, 2005, 11:18 am

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Europeans express outrage with Schwarzenegger for failing to stop Williams execution


VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity."

Capital punishment is illegal throughout the European Union, and many Europeans consider state-sponsored executions to be barbaric. Those feelings were amplified in the case of Williams, due to the apparent remorse they believe the Crips gang co-founder showed by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs and violence.

Leaders of Austria's pacifist Green Party went as far as to call for Schwarzenegger to be stripped of his Austrian citizenship -- a demand that was quickly rejected by Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel despite his government's opposition to the death penalty.

"Whoever, out of political calculation, allows the death of a person rehabilitated in such an exemplary manner has rejected the basic values of Austrian society," said Peter Pilz, a Greens leader.

In Schwarzenegger's hometown of Graz, local Greens said they would file a petition to remove his name from the southern city's sports stadium. A Christian political group went even further, suggesting it be renamed the "Stanley Tookie Williams Stadium."

"Mr. Williams had converted, and unlike Mr. Schwarzenegger, opposed every form of violence," said Richard Schadauer, the chairman of the Association of Christianity and Social Democracy.

Williams was executed early Tuesday at California's San Quentin State Prison after Schwarzenegger denied Williams' request for clemency. Schwarzenegger suggested that Williams' supposed change of heart was not genuine because he had not shown any real remorse for the killings committed by the Crips.

Criticism came quickly from many quarters, including the Socialist Party in France, where the death penalty was abolished in 1981.

"I am proud to be a Frenchman," party spokesman Julien Dray told RTL radio. "I am proud to live in France, in a country where we don't execute somebody 21 years later."

"Schwarzenegger has a lot of muscles, but apparently not much heart," Dray said.

In Italy, the country's chapter of Amnesty International called the execution "a cold-blooded murder."

"His execution is a slap in the face to the principle of rehabilitation of inmates, an inhumane and inclement act toward a person who, with his exemplary behavior and his activity in favor of street kids, had become an important figure and a symbol of hope for many youths," the group said.

In Germany, Volker Beck, a leading member of the opposition Greens party, expressed disappointment. "Schwarzenegger's decision is a cowardly decision," Beck told the Netzeitung online newspaper.

From London, Clive Stafford-Smith, a human rights attorney specializing in death penalty cases, called the execution "very sad."

"He was twice as old as when they sentenced him to die, and he certainly wasn't the same person that he was when he was sentenced," Stafford-Smith said.

Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni said the city would keep Williams in its memory the next time it celebrates a victory against the death penalty somewhere in the world.

Rome's Colosseum, once the arena for deadly gladiator combat and executions, has become a symbol of Italy's anti-death penalty stance. Since 1999, the monument has been bathed in golden light every time a death sentence is commuted somewhere in the world or a country abolishes capital punishment.

"I hope there will be such an occasion soon," Veltroni said in a statement. "When it happens, we will do it with a special thought for Tookie."

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Unread post by Sentenza » December 13th, 2005, 12:44 pm

I am with my fellow Europeans in this case.

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Hrmmm...

Unread post by 3Harmonies » December 20th, 2005, 6:58 am

Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity

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Unread post by Invincible » December 20th, 2005, 3:26 pm

lol get your facts straight. Where do you get the 90% figuare?

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Re: Hrmmm...

Unread post by Sentenza » December 20th, 2005, 11:13 pm

3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity
I am European and i can guarantee you, that many opinions have changed over here.

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Re: Hrmmm...

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Sentenza wrote:
3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity
I am European and i can guarantee you, that many opinions have changed over here.
Yeah that too bad.
White people need at least one region which will eternally have a homogeneous white(strictly European) population; then it will survive. But as of today there are NO regions which will ensure the survival of the white race.

Currently most white people follow a way of life which is suicidal to their culture and they allow government officials to further ruin their nations by allowing more and more non-whites in.

In the world we currently live in a white person that believes in the survival of his/her race and culture is completely evil and ignorrant while a white person that approves of the destruction of his/her race and culture is labeled absolutely sane and therefore should be an example for other whites to follow. Hopefully White people will soon wake up and realize that this is a problem. And stopp worrying about what happens to people who kill for nothing then laugh about it. You should slaop the sh^t outta the person next door to ya.
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Unread post by perongregory » December 21st, 2005, 8:54 pm

remember crstnmare, when I told you about how others feel it's right to fuck over other peoples because they have an inane perception of realtiy where they believe they're race is fighting for survival (and how this belief is the base of racism)?

Acme is a great example of that insane belief.

Acme, answer me this. Do you feel if Europeans would've stayed in Europe instead of venture out to secure (steal and take) more resources (slave labor, gold, land, silver, etc.) for their survival, they wouldn't face the threat of extinction you so strongly believe they face?

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 21st, 2005, 9:11 pm

remember crstnmare, when I told you about how others feel it's right to fu-- over other peoples because they have an inane perception of realtiy where they believe they're race is fighting for survival (and how this belief is the base of racism)?

Acme is a great example of that insane belief.



Boy do I!!! He could be the poster child. Point taken Peron.

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » December 21st, 2005, 9:26 pm

Why in the hell would you be on a website first off if its a gang website second if you know there are alot of blacks and other minorities on here talkin shit about other races.

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perongregory wrote:remember crstnmare, when I told you about how others feel it's right to fu-- over other peoples because they have an inane perception of realtiy where they believe they're race is fighting for survival (and how this belief is the base of racism)?

Acme is a great example of that insane belief.

Acme, answer me this. Do you feel if Europeans would've stayed in Europe instead of venture out to secure (steal and take) more resources (slave labor, gold, land, silver, etc.) for their survival, they wouldn't face the threat of extinction you so strongly believe they face?
Do you belive that europeans are the only people to " venture out and conquer" ? Please, you dont know how asiatic mongoloids came across the Bearing Straights and settled in this land of North America? So the people you would call " indigenous" are actually immigrants themselves. So if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle........
In other words save you poor rhetoric for the uneducated and narrow minded. My take is this, the world is a much smaller place now. The reality is, whether your ego will allow you to admit it or not, is the tnon-whites are moving by the millions into lands that have been " set up " by whites. Ok, if we cant even agree to that, then dont bother reading on.
Ok so that is a tangable fact. Lets take the people of latin America. The form huge ethnic enclaves. One example would be, Santa Ana Ca. In ti,es past, eventually these enclaves would dissolve as people assimilated. Now, these enclaves are expanding. Soon the entire southern california region for example will be one of these, There will be smatterings of others around but we all must acknowlaoge that they tend to out breed everyone else. Ok, be that as it may. It quite simple. The area will reflect the values, culture, traditions, of the people who inhabit it. Im not knocking them here, its again, just reality. Now, if you are suited to those things, fine. But understand this, everyone has a right to their own level of comfortablility. There is no right or wrong in it. Look at Japan, do you know why only Japanese live there? Because they like it that way/ Same with Korea, and China. Are they evil for wanting to keep their culture values and traditions intact? Its really not such a big deal to say that whites should establish a white homeland somewhere. The only reason it bothers people, is because they know it wil be THE PLACE to be. Thats why they come here now. And we will only stop the hate by all sides admitting some hard truths. And people would much rather point fingers than take personal accountability. The state of the white race and the fact that we have sold ourselves out is the white races fault, no one else, PERIOD. Its too late though, the dialogue is mounting. There is backlash on the horizon. Not against non whites like all the white supremists fantasize about. But against white leadership. This conversation is leaving the theatre of the absurd and moving more and more into the mainstream.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 21st, 2005, 10:08 pm

save you poor rhetoric
Now thats a good idea!!!

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » December 21st, 2005, 10:43 pm

crstnamre wrote:
save you poor rhetoric
Now thats a good idea!!!
If you contimue to quote me because you have no original verbage I will be forced to charge you. Now go do something useful and leave the runnin the world to the men u big ol hell pig...

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Re: Hrmmm...

Unread post by Sentenza » December 21st, 2005, 10:50 pm

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity
I am European and i can guarantee you, that many opinions have changed over here.
Yeah that too bad.
White people need at least one region which will eternally have a homogeneous white(strictly European) population; then it will survive. But as of today there are NO regions which will ensure the survival of the white race.

Currently most white people follow a way of life which is suicidal to their culture and they allow government officials to further ruin their nations by allowing more and more non-whites in.

In the world we currently live in a white person that believes in the survival of his/her race and culture is completely evil and ignorrant while a white person that approves of the destruction of his/her race and culture is labeled absolutely sane and therefore should be an example for other whites to follow. Hopefully White people will soon wake up and realize that this is a problem. And stopp worrying about what happens to people who kill for nothing then laugh about it. You should slaop the sh^t outta the person next door to ya.
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You are misunderstanding me brother. I do not advocate the destruction of european culture, cause i love it. I know that it has brought up many good things. I just realized that the hatred for other cultures is one of the things that stops nations and cultures from growing since every culture has always benefitted from the exchange of cultures.
Many essential things for us europeans came from China, the Middle East or Africa.
We didnt invent it all but we took advantage of the best of all worlds that we discovered.
Exchange between cultures is the most essential thing that always has guaranteed growth.
No exchange means stagnation as you can see on tribal cultures in Congo or the Amazonas area. They havent had any foreign influence for centuries and didnt develope even a tiny bit.
Is that what you want to have. Even Europe only advanced because it was influenced by every culture surrounding it. Arabs, Turks, Russians, Asians, Africans. All contributed to Europes development and denying that just tells me that you are blind to recognize. Europe isnt superior to anyone. We are not the better race, since we are not even of one race. We are a mixture of many races and we always have been.
How much do you know about the European culture you want to defend?
Have you read Plato or Machiavelli? Have you studied ancient Greece Maths or read Rousseau? What do you know about the unique - and great-
european contributions to world history. I usually observe that those who want to deperately defend "white culture" dont even know what it stands for. They confuse white culture with economic and militaric world domination which isnt a whites attribute but an assholes attribute.
Striving for destruction and exploitation of others is not a good attitude but a strictly non-christian and non-humanistic attitude and therefore should not be confused with being european.
The mixture of mankind has always been the engine of mankinds development. Exchanging ideas and mixing up people has always been the most fundamental thing, that made mankind (and europeans) what it is today.

Theres nothing you can do about it, cause its a historical fact.

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Re: Hrmmm...

Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » December 21st, 2005, 11:18 pm

Sentenza wrote:
AcmeWhiteBread wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity
I am European and i can guarantee you, that many opinions have changed over here.
Yeah that too bad.
White people need at least one region which will eternally have a homogeneous white(strictly European) population; then it will survive. But as of today there are NO regions which will ensure the survival of the white race.

Currently most white people follow a way of life which is suicidal to their culture and they allow government officials to further ruin their nations by allowing more and more non-whites in.

In the world we currently live in a white person that believes in the survival of his/her race and culture is completely evil and ignorrant while a white person that approves of the destruction of his/her race and culture is labeled absolutely sane and therefore should be an example for other whites to follow. Hopefully White people will soon wake up and realize that this is a problem. And stopp worrying about what happens to people who kill for nothing then laugh about it. You should slaop the sh^t outta the person next door to ya.
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You are misunderstanding me brother. I do not advocate the destruction of european culture, cause i love it. I know that it has brought up many good things. I just realized that the hatred for other cultures is one of the things that stops nations and cultures from growing since every culture has always benefitted from the exchange of cultures.
Many essential things for us europeans came from China, the Middle East or Africa.
We didnt invent it all but we took advantage of the best of all worlds that we discovered.
Exchange between cultures is the most essential thing that always has guaranteed growth.
No exchange means stagnation as you can see on tribal cultures in Congo or the Amazonas area. They havent had any foreign influence for centuries and didnt develope even a tiny bit.
Is that what you want to have. Even Europe only advanced because it was influenced by every culture surrounding it. Arabs, Turks, Russians, Asians, Africans. All contributed to Europes development and denying that just tells me that you are blind to recognize. Europe isnt superior to anyone. We are not the better race, since we are not even of one race. We are a mixture of many races and we always have been.
How much do you know about the European culture you want to defend?
Have you read Plato or Machiavelli? Have you studied ancient Greece Maths or read Rousseau? What do you know about the unique - and great-
european contributions to world history. I usually observe that those who want to deperately defend "white culture" dont even know what it stands for. They confuse white culture with economic and militaric world domination which isnt a whites attribute but an assholes attribute.
Striving for destruction and exploitation of others is not a good attitude but a strictly non-christian and non-humanistic attitude and therefore should not be confused with being european.
The mixture of mankind has always been the engine of mankinds development. Exchanging ideas and mixing up people has always been the most fundamental thing, that made mankind (and europeans) what it is today.

Theres nothing you can do about it, cause its a historical fact.
What everyone fails to acknowloge is that there is just an enormous amount of diversity in a single race alone. I dont need to destroy my nation by importing such EXTREEMLY different people. There is plenty of diversity in the black race, the white race and the asian race. Thats where the strength comes from. Not by knocking down the eiffel tower and erecting a moinument to Allah.........Like the playwrite wrote so many years ago for example-
America is a melting pot of EUROPEAN NATIONS. They always leave that part out....

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » December 21st, 2005, 11:28 pm

I have studied Machievelli, Nietzsche, Rene Descartes, Arthur Schopenhauer, Voltaire. The Bible in the greek, the hebrew, and the aramaic. Studied norse mythology, the history of economics. The list goes on and on. Im an obssesive reader......

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 22nd, 2005, 6:35 am

^^ If you studied the bible like that you should know that in both old and new testaments they strictly set rules that you should treat all "foreigners" in a country with equality because all of God's people are "foreigners" in this world.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 22nd, 2005, 9:12 am

End Violence NOW wrote:^^ If you studied the bible like that you should know that in both old and new testaments they strictly set rules that you should treat all "foreigners" in a country with equality because all of God's people are "foreigners" in this world.
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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » December 22nd, 2005, 12:31 pm

End Violence NOW wrote:^^ If you studied the bible like that you should know that in both old and new testaments they strictly set rules that you should treat all "foreigners" in a country with equality because all of God's people are "foreigners" in this world.
Oh really ? Im amazed I missed that. Are you reading like a NIV version or something. Try readin the pre-King James Scroll's along with 7500 page Strongs Exhaustive Concordance and learn the root word meanings before you even begin with me .jr. A very simple example would be the word bastard, a bastard child is a child of mixed ethos, root meaning ethnic. to be more specific race. This child shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Your so outclassed you should just disappear because todays watered down version of christianity is just that. A new world order version desinged to make everyone feel good. And have you bothered to read the old testament? Or does the new testament cancel that out? Your so damn boring and ill-equiped, just fuc k off and die

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Unread post by punamusta » December 22nd, 2005, 1:31 pm

3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
What I don't understand is why people always think that Europe is a one country? Europe is a continental with a lot of different countries with a lot of different cultures in it. For example Finland (an european country) was one of the last countries in Europe that got converted into christianity. And we got converted very brutally: swedes came here and basically killed all the people who didn't want to accept the Christian beliefs and tried to hold on to our own beliefs. They burned people alive claiming them to be witches, etc. Even our own language was banned, you were not authorised to write books in finnish, or hold speeches in finnish, etc. Furthermore Finland has never been a slavecountry, and we never have occupied other countries.

Finnish people was looked as a "lowest race" especially in Sweden. As late as in 1930 Swedish institute of race-biology declared that Finnish people are stupid, lazy, and has no culture nor civilization. Even today schoolbooks in Sweden continue to keep those views alive.

So please stop speaking like Europe would be a one homogenous country with a common history.

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Unread post by Invincible » December 22nd, 2005, 1:56 pm

Oaktown_G wrote:Why in the hell would you be on a website first off if its a gang website second if you know there are alot of blacks and other minorities on here talkin shit about other races.
same thing you could ask about prison, why would you form white supremacist gangs in prison and get swastika tatoos? lol.

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Unread post by Sentenza » December 22nd, 2005, 2:58 pm

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:
End Violence NOW wrote:^^ If you studied the bible like that you should know that in both old and new testaments they strictly set rules that you should treat all "foreigners" in a country with equality because all of God's people are "foreigners" in this world.
Oh really ? Im amazed I missed that. Are you reading like a NIV version or something. Try readin the pre-King James Scroll's along with 7500 page Strongs Exhaustive Concordance and learn the root word meanings before you even begin with me .jr. A very simple example would be the word bastard, a bastard child is a child of mixed ethos, root meaning ethnic. to be more specific race. This child shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Your so outclassed you should just disappear because todays watered down version of christianity is just that. A new world order version desinged to make everyone feel good. And have you bothered to read the old testament? Or does the new testament cancel that out? Your so damn boring and ill-equiped, just fuc k off and die
Lol Acme, you should chill a bit.

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Unread post by Sentenza » December 23rd, 2005, 10:32 am

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:
End Violence NOW wrote:^^ If you studied the bible like that you should know that in both old and new testaments they strictly set rules that you should treat all "foreigners" in a country with equality because all of God's people are "foreigners" in this world.
Oh really ? Im amazed I missed that. Are you reading like a NIV version or something. Try readin the pre-King James Scroll's along with 7500 page Strongs Exhaustive Concordance and learn the root word meanings before you even begin with me .jr. A very simple example would be the word bastard, a bastard child is a child of mixed ethos, root meaning ethnic. to be more specific race. This child shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Your so outclassed you should just disappear because todays watered down version of christianity is just that. A new world order version desinged to make everyone feel good. And have you bothered to read the old testament? Or does the new testament cancel that out? Your so damn boring and ill-equiped, just fuc k off and die
Where is it said that mixed childs shall not enter heaven? Never heard of this. In addition, which version of Christianity do you have in mind to be better than todays "watered down" version? That of St. Augustine?

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » December 24th, 2005, 10:59 pm

If Acme studied the bible like he claims he would know that jesus was black adam,eve,moses.He would also know the first white person in power in the bilble was nebechanezer.So apparently he is not as up to date as he thinks.And it didnt say mixed children dont get into the kingdom of god now gays dont cause they are an abomination to god.

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Unread post by Invincible » December 25th, 2005, 3:02 am

jesus was a jew, he wasnt black. Maybe olive skinned but not black. I doubnt anyone but black acticists or africentricsts believe that one.

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Unread post by perongregory » December 25th, 2005, 4:45 pm

it'll be a long time till white people come to the truth about the bible and the people in it. But why listen to them they depict everyone as white, then change when the evidence is overwhelming saying shit like well race doesn't matter or he was mixed or some other lying BS.

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Unread post by Sentenza » December 25th, 2005, 5:09 pm

perongregory wrote:it'll be a long time till white people come to the truth about the bible and the people in it. But why listen to them they depict everyone as white, then change when the evidence is overwhelming saying shit like well race doesn't matter or he was mixed or some other lying BS.
As far as i now Jesus looked supposedly like an Arab. The Israelites are a branch off from the Arab race. Both first lived near the city of "Ur" which is in Iraq nowadays. Jesus language, Aramaic is also closely related to Arabic. Everything points in the direction that Jesus looked arabic. Why should he have been white or black? Both he was most probably not.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 25th, 2005, 6:34 pm

It does'nt really matter to me what color he was. Our family converted to Christianity and in my eyes its not what the color of his skin was that matters, but what he represents.

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » December 25th, 2005, 7:24 pm

Jesus was black the so were the children of isreal you can look in history books and see when the arabs invaded egypt and we all know the story how they cut the noses off the statues because they had wide noses and didnt want anyone to know that blacks were in power and made and designed them. Remember there in africa the ones who call themselves jews are ettimites(I know I probally spelled it wrong :lol: ) It said he was the color of the ground and hair like sheeps wool and we all know who got some messed up hair like sheep wool and they aint white.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » December 25th, 2005, 8:49 pm

Invincible wrote:jesus was a jew, he wasnt black. Maybe olive skinned but not black. I doubnt anyone but black acticists or africentricsts believe that one.
If jesus was a jew, how could he be a christian?
One of the first things you have to understand is some simple definitions.
1. Jesus was of the tribe of Judah- This is where the term " Jew " comes from.

2. There was two tribes, Judah and Israel. Gods covenant, or in simple terms, " the chosen people " were the israelites, those descendents of the Tribe of Israel, not the tribe of Judah.

My favoraite version of the bible, and the closest to the orginal definitions is the Ferrar Fenton bible.

I dont think skin color was and issue, but definatly there are identifying markers as to who the people of the tribe of israel are.

1. A Minority people.
2. Will carry the word around the world.
3. Will be looked upon as leaders of men...

Now you all find some more....

This is like sunday school for 10 year olds around here....lol

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » December 25th, 2005, 10:58 pm

I didnt say he was a jew I said the people who call themselves jews who say they are gods chosen people are not.Blacks are isrealites you cant be narrow minded and say well black people are from africa and there only.The aboriginies were in australia before whites there are blacks throughout sri lanka and india but the black cultures are not embraced because the people of india discriminate against the darker people.The olmecs in mexico have the exact same facial features as west african statues and wore the same kind of helmets that were worn in ghana.To get back to the point since isreal messed up in the land they never got in go back and look the complaining everything they were doing wrong blacks do today.Not to say we should be proud of it but still it said we will be in bondage until jesus comes back look who came in and took our spot look who has made us to seem like we are lower than anyone else whites who are the gentiles.This is way past sunday school.And you are right though it isnt a race issue.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » December 25th, 2005, 11:05 pm

And you are right though it isnt a race issue.
It really should'nt be. At least to me..it does'nt matter what color he was.

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Unread post by 3Harmonies » December 27th, 2005, 10:06 pm

Yea it sucks... but since you look like the guilty it puts you in the same boat. It's the way this World processes things. I have plenty of white-friends.. maybe be not pure white since they could have a native american or african ancestor like many white americans.. but hey I like those that can formulate their own conclusions and build on them rather than recite the rhetorical.
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3Harmonies wrote:Their ancestors are the same people that comitted the genocide of 90 percent of the entire world's population over the past 1000 yrs in the name of Christ. From the Crusades to Colonization. And they come with this bogus bs? :lol: Contradicting yourself in the worst ways is really pathetic.
What I don't understand is why people always think that Europe is a one country? Europe is a continental with a lot of different countries with a lot of different cultures in it. For example Finland (an european country) was one of the last countries in Europe that got converted into christianity. And we got converted very brutally: swedes came here and basically killed all the people who didn't want to accept the Christian beliefs and tried to hold on to our own beliefs. They burned people alive claiming them to be witches, etc. Even our own language was banned, you were not authorised to write books in finnish, or hold speeches in finnish, etc. Furthermore Finland has never been a slavecountry, and we never have occupied other countries.

Finnish people was looked as a "lowest race" especially in Sweden. As late as in 1930 Swedish institute of race-biology declared that Finnish people are stupid, lazy, and has no culture nor civilization. Even today schoolbooks in Sweden continue to keep those views alive.

So please stop speaking like Europe would be a one homogenous country with a common history.

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