Terrorism II

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 19th, 2005, 8:31 am

You are not alone in you're pain. You are not alone in you're anger.

Unread post by **Sentenza** » December 19th, 2005, 10:39 am

Ill trade any kingdom for a time machine and a machine gun, to get at these fools.
No seriously, it really gets me pissed looking at these kind of pics.
Same goes for the other thread.

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 19th, 2005, 11:45 am

Ya me too^.

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 19th, 2005, 5:59 pm

DIdnt Otto Skozeny believe it was a hoax?

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 19th, 2005, 6:13 pm

Invincible wrote:DIdnt Otto Skozeny believe it was a hoax?

What does....oh forget it man. I cannot believe you just went there.

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 19th, 2005, 6:15 pm

Invincible wrote:DIdnt Otto Skozeny believe it was a hoax?

Does it look like a hoax to you??

Bo$$ · Unread post by **Bo$$** » December 25th, 2005, 9:31 am

Thats straight up terrorism right there, exactly like the topic says. Its fuckin sick seeing people die like that for no good reason..

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 25th, 2005, 2:28 pm

crstnamre wrote:
Invincible wrote:DIdnt Otto Skozeny believe it was a hoax?
Does it look like a hoax to you??

no but that was one of the arguments sopmeone on the hsitory channel forum used also its interesting how the history channel forum would have so many "debunkers".

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 25th, 2005, 3:24 pm

Invincible wrote:
crstnamre wrote:
Invincible wrote:DIdnt Otto Skozeny believe it was a hoax?
Does it look like a hoax to you??
no but that was one of the arguments sopmeone on the hsitory channel forum used also its interesting how the history channel forum would have so many "debunkers".

I have heard the arguments and I choose to disregard those opinions because they are FOS.

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 25th, 2005, 4:17 pm

France and England also disregarded Hitlers opinions and world views and agression ebfore it was too late, and the SOviet Union actually allied with him and disregarded what he wrote in mein kampf about them.

Unread post by **Sentenza** » December 25th, 2005, 5:12 pm

It was no hoax. Ask those people who lost loved ones....

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 25th, 2005, 6:26 pm

Invincible wrote:France and England also disregarded Hitlers opinions and world views and agression ebfore it was too late, and the SOviet Union actually allied with him and disregarded what he wrote in mein kampf about them.

Why on earth would you be so disrespectful as to bring up these views in a thread that has pictures of the victims of the holocaust?

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 25th, 2005, 6:30 pm

Sentenza wrote:It was no hoax. Ask those people who lost loved ones....

Thank you Sentenza.

Unread post by **AcmeWhiteBread** » December 25th, 2005, 9:14 pm

Thats what makes this place so lame sometimes. Let me say first that Im no denyer of the fact that jews got killed in Germany, in horrific amounts. Ok, having said that that 6 million, there were still 46 million more people killed in WW 2. Thats 46 million. The word Holocaust didnt even exist prior to WW2. Germany tried to deport them and no one, including the USA would take them. They were then put into labour camps. Many were killed. Most dies toreward the end of the war when the choice was this. We eat, or they eat. What would you do? Your familiy eats, or your swoarn enemy eats... Come on.

These pictures tell no story....
They are pictures of bodies that you are supposed to attach your own story to. The woman hanging, a communist against Hitler. What else is new? Governments always kill. Remember Tookie. Just like the lynchings in America, people always have this idea that they were always just some innocent blacks plucked off the street and lynched. Its crazy. And BTW, more white people have been lynched in America than black, yes that a fact. So anyway what you have here is a wonderfuf display of the mid of the poster. She would have you belive that its only white klansmen who raise questions about the holocaust. What about Chuck D. ? How about Fara Con. I mean, does it occur to anyone that maybe its just that it didnt quite go down the way it is sold? For me thats all Im saying. I think there is good arguments on both sides. I mean its not that crazy to say that a modern day crematorium takes 8 hours to turn a body to ash. So how could Auscwitz have done 5- 10 thousand a day? Really, dont close your mide to at least weighing the stories. Im sure that the jews, or the middle easterners posing as jews, suffered terribly there. But you know what I found to be true in life.............

THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 25th, 2005, 10:11 pm

F*ck the middle.

Unread post by **Sentenza** » December 26th, 2005, 5:08 am

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:Thats what makes this place so lame sometimes. Let me say first that Im no denyer of the fact that jews got killed in Germany, in horrific amounts. Ok, having said that that 6 million, there were still 46 million more people killed in WW 2. Thats 46 million. The word Holocaust didnt even exist prior to WW2. Germany tried to deport them and no one, including the USA would take them. They were then put into labour camps. Many were killed. Most dies toreward the end of the war when the choice was this. We eat, or they eat. What would you do? Your familiy eats, or your swoarn enemy eats... Come on.

These pictures tell no story....
They are pictures of bodies that you are supposed to attach your own story to. The woman hanging, a communist against Hitler. What else is new? Governments always kill. Remember Tookie. Just like the lynchings in America, people always have this idea that they were always just some innocent blacks plucked off the street and lynched. Its crazy. And BTW, more white people have been lynched in America than black, yes that a fact. So anyway what you have here is a wonderfuf display of the mid of the poster. She would have you belive that its only white klansmen who raise questions about the holocaust. What about Chuck D. ? How about Fara Con. I mean, does it occur to anyone that maybe its just that it didnt quite go down the way it is sold? For me thats all Im saying. I think there is good arguments on both sides. I mean its not that crazy to say that a modern day crematorium takes 8 hours to turn a body to ash. So how could Auscwitz have done 5- 10 thousand a day? Really, dont close your mide to at least weighing the stories. Im sure that the jews, or the middle easterners posing as jews, suffered terribly there. But you know what I found to be true in life.............

THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE

You know, mentioning the Holocaust is not because i want to bash white people. I wouldnt allow anyone to abuse the holocaust as a justification to hate on white white people, cause you are right, every races has committed its atrocities and genocides (Hutus vs. Tutsis, Mao, Pol Pot etc.), but thats not what its about.
My father grew up in East Germany close to the Concentration Camp "Dora Nord" where the infamous V2 Rocket was built by Jewish and other slave workers. He witnessed first hand how they were shot and dropped in the ditches at the end of the war.
I believe him more than any of these "the-Holocaust-is-a-myth-school-dropouts". I also have visited a few Concentration Camps (Theresienstadt, Sachsenhausen, Dora Nord) and i recognized what the special thing about the Nazis was.
They were dealing with human life like an accountant exploiting every prisoner to the last bit, physically and mentally.
They were not looking at human life as unique and precious, but they were taking it as a ressource and made mathematic calculations wether this life is worth living or not for millions of people.
Thats what disgusts me about them and that is quite unique in history.
After the slave workers/prisoners were killed the exploitation didnt stop.
They made lampshades and book-wrappers out of human skin. They broke out gold teeth of the dead to melt them and make money of it. They cut off the hair of the dead people to make ropes out of it. They basically stole everything precious any dead body had to ffer.
Thats disgusting madness. And remember Dr. Mengele, that Dr. Frankenstone version of the Nazis, that made horrible human experiments? I suggest you to read the Diary of Rudulph Höss, the commander of Auschwitz. Its an eye opener.....
I could go on with the list, but you know what i want to aim at....

Now everybody ALWAYS should make himself an own picture of the whole story, of course.
But those who live in denial of the Holocaust are just phoney demagogues who want to open the door for Nazi Fascism or something similar again.
And therefore they first of all have to get rid off, or downtalk the atrocities and evils the Nazis committed. Thats i never will believe one of these fools.

That picture with the woman on the gallow btw says that she was a partisan and shot at german soldiers. That is something i wouldnt count under the Holocaust.

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 26th, 2005, 6:07 am

crstnamre wrote:
Invincible wrote:France and England also disregarded Hitlers opinions and world views and agression ebfore it was too late, and the SOviet Union actually allied with him and disregarded what he wrote in mein kampf about them.

Why on earth would you be so disrespectful as to bring up these views in a thread that has pictures of the victims of the holocaust?

what views? I brought up historical facts about France and Britain, and Soviets, those werent views but facts. Or are you talking about SKozeny?

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 26th, 2005, 9:45 am

Or are you talking about SKozeny?

Yes.

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 26th, 2005, 1:22 pm

ok I just brought that up cause ppl on the history channel forum constantly do that type of stuff. I just wanted to see what kind of reaction it would egt here.

Invincible · Unread post by **Invincible** » December 26th, 2005, 1:24 pm

plus it is weird, I cant figuare out why he would deny it? Never got awnser on that and I thought someone here owuld know.

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 26th, 2005, 2:45 pm

Invincible wrote:ok I just brought that up cause ppl on the history channel forum constantly do that type of stuff. I just wanted to see what kind of reaction it would egt here.

Thats lovely.

Unread post by **AcmeWhiteBread** » December 27th, 2005, 10:18 am

I agree with the idea that te Nazis, well at least may of the higher ups, didnt see many as human. Just numbers, chattle. I dont know how one gets to that mind set but I do have this first hand expirience. Here in America we are influenced by religeon even when we dont think we are. Primarily its the religeon of humanism. It teaches at, at least, a basic level respect for human life. I can tell you that in many of the African nations I have been to, this does not exist. It really tripped me out to see first hand how this is displayed. I remember when I got back around 1989 seeing when blacks in America were wearing those meddalions of the continent of Africa around their neck. I thoght these guys have NO IDEA how disconnected from their " homeland " they are. If they were to fly over and go to say , Sierra Leone and try and embrace thir roots they would be very disapointed at their reception. If a native saw that the tourist had gold in his teeth he might very quickly be toothless. They kill each other , en mass, over skin tone. What people dont realize is that some parts of the world, and some cultures dont just out of hand respect human life. I suspect the this played a part in Nazi Germany. Coming off the depression they had lived under due to the treaty of Versailles, they found a scape goat and turned all their anger and despair at them. I mean what screwy and whe nI say the truth is in the middle, is that part of their ideas were right. The jews always do remain a people within a host country looking out for themselves. This isnt a bad thing, except they are so succesful that it fuels resentment. That and they way they treat non jews and some of the things they will do for money fuel this. An example might be that they claim religeon on one hand but in many peoples mind they lower the moral tone by being in the sex slave trade of today, are grossly over represented in the areas of porno and even mainstream hollywood. Many see these as vehicles for moral decay, and I can even see it myself. BUT>> this is done because there is a market for such things, Otherwise they wouldnt be peddeling it. And ALL RACES and types of people are involved as well. Its a mixed bag, you must be able to read between the lines...

Unread post by **Christina Marie** » December 27th, 2005, 10:24 am

I agree with the idea that te Nazis, well at least may of the higher ups, didnt see many as human.

That does not excuse what they did.

Unread post by **Sentenza** » December 27th, 2005, 10:53 am

AcmeWhiteBread wrote: I remember when I got back around 1989 seeing when blacks in America were wearing those meddalions of the continent of Africa around their neck. I thoght these guys have NO IDEA how disconnected from their " homeland " they are.

Thats so true. But thats one of the main problems african-americans have.
They are caught up in a "back to the roots" and not knowing where to head" ideology, when there is no turning back to the roots.
Thats would be like the Russians would say tomorrow "from now on we are Vikings again, like 1000 years ago". Just not possible, cause things develope and change.
And Africans do give a shit wether a "brother" from the states also has black skin or not.
Its like i am also not down with anyone who has white skin, just because i have white skin aswell..

Unread post by **Sentenza** » December 27th, 2005, 11:06 am

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:I agree with the idea that te Nazis, well at least may of the higher ups, didnt see many as human. Just numbers, chattle. I dont know how one gets to that mind set but I do have this first hand expirience. Here in America we are influenced by religeon even when we dont think we are. Primarily its the religeon of humanism. It teaches at, at least, a basic level respect for human life. I can tell you that in many of the African nations I have been to, this does not exist. It really tripped me out to see first hand how this is displayed. I remember when I got back around 1989 seeing when blacks in America were wearing those meddalions of the continent of Africa around their neck. I thoght these guys have NO IDEA how disconnected from their " homeland " they are. If they were to fly over and go to say , Sierra Leone and try and embrace thir roots they would be very disapointed at their reception. If a native saw that the tourist had gold in his teeth he might very quickly be toothless. They kill each other , en mass, over skin tone. What people dont realize is that some parts of the world, and some cultures dont just out of hand respect human life. I suspect the this played a part in Nazi Germany. Coming off the depression they had lived under due to the treaty of Versailles, they found a scape goat and turned all their anger and despair at them. I mean what screwy and whe nI say the truth is in the middle, is that part of their ideas were right. The jews always do remain a people within a host country looking out for themselves. This isnt a bad thing, except they are so succesful that it fuels resentment. That and they way they treat non jews and some of the things they will do for money fuel this. An example might be that they claim religeon on one hand but in many peoples mind they lower the moral tone by being in the sex slave trade of today, are grossly over represented in the areas of porno and even mainstream hollywood. Many see these as vehicles for moral decay, and I can even see it myself. BUT>> this is done because there is a market for such things, Otherwise they wouldnt be peddeling it. And ALL RACES and types of people are involved as well. Its a mixed bag, you must be able to read between the lines...

Its true. The Nazis came into power because of various factors, high unemployment and the treaty of Versailles were a few of them.
German history and proneness to militarism are some more.
They promised economical upswing and it came true for the first years.
But only if you take into consideration that the national debt became horrendous after a while, since Hitler spent money he did not have.
Not to mention that going to war was his ultimate goal and everything he did stood in context with it.
The Nazis were by far not the only ones that treated humans like scum or cattle. I dont want to make up a list of governments/dictators that did, cause it would make Alonsos webspace explode.
What the Nazis did is starting the biggest war ever, flattening Europe to the ground and committing the biggest genocide ever recorded (i do not count Maos Cultural revolution or Stalins Gulags as Genocide, cause that was a bit different).
That is an "accomplishment" that is yet to be challenged.
Only these three facts taken for itself make me wonder how someone can consider the Nazis as good even if they did some good things on a low political level (reforming ancient German class barriers etc.).