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These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?
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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 19th, 2006, 10:57 pm

See No Evil: Perception and Reality in Black and White


Just a few years ago, a public opinion poll indicated that only 6% of
whites in the U.S. believed racism was still a "very serious" problem
facing African Americans. While larger percentages believed racism to be
somewhat of a problem, only this anemic share of the white community saw
it as an issue of great importance.

When you consider that twice that number--or as many as 12%--have told
pollsters they believe Elvis Presley is still alive, it becomes apparent
that delusion has taken on a whole new meaning among the dominant racial
majority. Apparently, it is easier for whites to believe that a
pill-popping, washed-up lounge singer faked his own death and is playing
midnight gigs at some tropical resort, than to believe what black folks
say they experience every day.

So it was no surprise to read that once again a poll has been released,
indicating that whites by and large don't think racial discrimination
remains a big problem, and that whites and blacks continue to view
issues of racial equality far differently.

According to the recent Gallup Survey on "Black-White Relations," 7 out
of 10 whites believe that blacks are treated equally in their
communities: an optimism with which only 40% of blacks agree. Eight in
ten whites say blacks receive equal educational opportunities, and 83%
say blacks receive equal housing opportunities in their communities.
Only a third of whites believe blacks face racial bias from police in
their areas.

Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced
discrimination in the past thirty days, whites persist in believing that
we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints
of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs.
Blacks, we seem to believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord
knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain!

That white perceptions of the extent of racial bias are rooted in a
stupendous miasma of ignorance is made clear by a number of salient
facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the statistical evidence
indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not
documentary; and secondly, the simple truth that white perceptions of
racism's salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back
as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most
blatant racial discrimination, 60% of whites said that blacks were
treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only 8 years after the
Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation's schools (but well
before schools had actually moved to integrate their classrooms), a
stunning 84% of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational
opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is
nothing new: it was firmly entrenched even when this nation operated
under a formal system of apartheid.

Of course, this ignorance of the lived realities of black people is no
surprise. Rather it is in large part the result of our isolation from
African Americans in daily life.

More than 80% of whites live in virtually all-white neighborhoods, and
nearly nine in ten white suburbanites live in communities with less than
1% black populations. What's more, only 12% of whites in law school
today--who by historical standards have had more opportunity to mix with
people of color than any generation before them--say they had
significant interaction with blacks while growing up.

One can only expect this degree of isolation to lead to a skewed
perception of what other people experience. After all, if one doesn't
know many blacks, or personally witness discrimination, it is all the
more likely that one will find the notion of widespread mistreatment
hard to digest. Especially when one has been socialized to give more
credence to what members of one's own group say, than what the racial
"other" tells us is true.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that every time a black person says they
have been discriminated against that they are, in fact, correct.
Individuals, after all, can misperceive certain situations. But the
reality of individual misperception should not lead to the widespread
white belief in mass black delusion, which is virtually the only way one
can read the Gallup figures.

For so many whites to believe that blacks have equal opportunity, is not
only to discount a few claims of discrimination that may be without
merit: rather, it is to reject the broad swath of claims that virtually
every African American can bring forth from their personal mental
rolodex. Fact is, if even one-tenth of the black claims of
discrimination were accurate, this would translate into well over 1.75
million instances of anti-black racial bias every single month, based on
survey data. Unfortunately, it is doubtful the numbers are this small.

Though the Gallup survey didn't address racial discrimination in the
labor market, there is little question that when whites say blacks are
treated equally, they are also assuming this to be true for the world of
work. But what is the reality? According to a recent study by the
Russell Sage Foundation, even though blacks search for work longer and
often more aggressively than whites, they are between 36-44% less likely
to be hired for jobs in mostly white suburbs, even when their experience
and qualifications are equal to their white counterparts. White males
with a high school diploma are just as likely to have a job, and tend to
earn just as much as black males with college degrees; and on average,
even when age, experience, education and other relevant factors are
considered, blacks are paid at least 10% less than similar whites.

As for education, the picture is much the same. Although formal
segregation is illegal, de facto segregation remains a reality thanks to
"ability tracking," which has less to do with actual ability, and more
to do with racial and class bias against children of color and those
from low-income families. Beginning as early as kindergarten, teachers
and counselors separate students based on so-called cognitive skill
levels, despite evidence that the tests used to determine these skill
levels are inaccurate predictors of ability and terribly biased against
students from non-dominant cultural backgrounds.

Even when black students show potential that is equal to or above that
of whites, they are 40% less likely to be placed in advanced or
accelerated classes, according to the head of the College Board. Despite
evidence of ability, blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be placed in
remedial or low-track classes, where they will typically be taught by
the least qualified teachers, be given less challenging material to
learn, and receive on average nearly 40 hours less actual instruction
annually.

So too is educational inequity fostered by unequal discipline, meted out
in a racially disparate manner. Even though black and white rates of
school rule infractions are roughly equal, black students are twice as
likely as whites to be suspended or expelled. Blacks are half of all
students suspended or expelled for weapons violations, even though
self-report surveys indicate whites are just as likely to bring weapons
to school, and white males are actually twice as likely as black males
to do so. Since blacks are more likely to be suspected--thanks to common
stereotypes about violence and delinquency--they are the ones who get
searched and caught, but this hardly means they break the rules more
often.

According to studies by the Applied Research Center, the
disproportionate rate of black suspensions is the result of greater
punishment given for subjective infractions like "defying authority," or
"attitude problems," both of which are perceived as more threatening
when coming from black students than whites.

As for housing, white confidence in equal opportunity makes for nice
wishful thinking, but hardly comports with reality. Virtually every
study on housing bias in rental and mortgage markets for the past three
decades has found evidence of substantial ongoing discrimination.
According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, there may
be as many as 2 million instances of racial housing bias each year, and
as many as half of all blacks may face discrimination when trying to
rent an apartment or purchase a home.

According to the Boston Federal Reserve Bank, blacks are 56% more likely
than whites to be rejected for a mortgage loan, even after controlling
for 38 factors that could explain higher rejection rates for
blacks--including issues of credit history, collateral, and income.
Nationwide, mortgage loan rejection rates for the highest income group
of blacks is roughly the same as the rejection rates for the lowest
income whites.

Finally, white protestations that blacks receive equal treatment from
police in their communities, are nothing short of laughable. A look at
police prosecution of the war on drugs alone gives the lie to white
claims of equal law enforcement. Though blacks are only 14% of illegal
drug users, they are 35% of those arrested for possession. In many
communities, including some of the ones where whites claim there is no
bias in policing, blacks face arrest rates for drugs that are five, ten,
even twenty times higher than the rates for whites, despite roughly
equal rates of drug usage.

Though a slim majority of whites admit that racial profiling--one clear
example of unequal treatment--does happen, few believe it happens where
they live. Yet in state after state, studies have found a
disproportionate rate of highway and surface street stops of vehicles
driven by blacks, and searches of cars driven by blacks, above and
beyond the rates of black traffic infractions, which otherwise might
create reasonable cause.

In New York City, from 1997-1998, the NYPD's Street Crimes Unit stopped
and frisked 135,000 people: 85% of whom were people of color. Only 4500
persons were ultimately arrested and prosecuted, meaning that over 95%
of those harassed were innocent. Interestingly, whites who were stopped
were significantly more likely to be found with drugs or other
contraband, indicating that not only was this policy of racial stops and
searches a biased one, but it failed the test as valid crime control on
its own merits as well.

Of course, I hardly expect the facts to matter much, as an awful lot of
white folks seem impervious to them. When it comes to racial realities,
the levels of ignorance are so ingrained as to be almost laughable.
Perhaps that's why 12% of whites actually say blacks are a majority of
the nation's population, and why most whites believe blacks are a third
of the nation's population, instead of the thirteen percent they
actually represent. We seem to see black people everywhere, and
apparently we see them doing quite well.

We even see them as our buddies. 75% of whites in one recent poll
indicated that they had multiple close black friends. Sounds great,
until you realize that 75% of white Americans represents about 145
million people. 145 million who say they have multiple black friends,
despite the fact that there are only 35 million black people to go
around.

Which means one of two things: either whites are clueless about black
people, friendships, or both; or black folks are mighty damned busy,
running from white house to white house to white house, being our
friends. In which case, we can put away all that nonsense about blacks
"taking our jobs." After all, how could blacks have time to work, what
with all the backyard barbecues they're attending at the houses of their
white pals? Hell, maybe Elvis will even invite them all to Graceland
when he makes his triumphant return to Memphis. Don't laugh: some people
will believe anything.

Tim Wise is a Nashville-based writer, lecturer and antiracism activist.
He can be reached at tjwise@mindspring.com

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 20th, 2006, 12:06 am

Wow there it is in hard numbers.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 20th, 2006, 11:25 am

Forget the hoopla and ballyhoo celebrating Black faces in high places. The median net worth of an African American household is about $6,000, while white households wield 14 times as much wealth: more than $88,000. The disastrous details are contained in a report on wealth disparities by the Pew Hispanic Center, “The Wealth of Hispanic Households: 1996 to 2002,” but the worst news is for Blacks, one-third of whom have no assets or a negative net worth.

The bottom fell out of Black wealth accumulation in the deep recession of 2000 – 2001, a downturn that hurt all ethnic groups, but from which whites and Hispanics rapidly rebounded. Whites recouped their losses from the recession and fattened their holdings by 17 percent between 1996 and 2002. Hispanics boosted their meager household wealth to about $7,900 during that period – still only one eleventh of white households, but almost fully recovering the 27 percent loss they suffered at the turn of the 21st century. Blacks also lost 27 percent of their net worth in 2000 – 2001, but got back only 5 percent in 2002. These African American losses appear near-permanent, the result of the deindustrialization of the United States – the destruction of the Black blue-collar workforce.

Hispanics, clustered in the low wage service sector, suffered less lasting effects. However, for African Americans, the worst news just keeps on coming, the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow discrimination. As Roderick Harrison, a researcher at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, told the Associated Press: "Wealth is a measure of cumulative advantage or disadvantage. The fact that black and Hispanic wealth is a fraction of white wealth also reflects a history of discrimination."



It is a “reflection” in the American mirror that whites don’t want to see, believing in the vast majority that their privilege and wealth has been earned – and at no one else’s expense. In truth, as Harvard social demographer Dr. Michael A. Dawson puts it, “The racial structures in the United States continue to this day to produce wealth disparities.” Today, these structures are working feverishly to dislodge Blacks from their precarious perches in the middle class. Yet whites remain implacably opposed to engaging in even a discussion of reparations, while continuing to profit from “the inherited gift that keeps on giving” (see , May 8, 2002). Surfing through the recession with their assets largely intact, white America pretends that some malady of “culture” – rather than the crimes of a nation – is what holds African Americans back. And some Black fools believe them.

Tomfoolery in high places

“There were several members of the Congressional Black Caucus who took the position that the racial wealth disparity was due to the misbehavior of Black folks,” says Dr. William “Sandy” Darity, recalling events at the 2003 Black Caucus Week, in Washington. Several silly Black lawmakers theorized that wealth disparities could be eliminated if only African Americans would engage in less impulse buying and save more money, said Darity, a Professor of Public Policy Studies, African and African American Studies and Economics at Duke University. He continued: “In fact, if you control for income, the Black savings rate is at least as high as the white savings rate. There is some evidence to suggest that it might be higher.”

By Darity’s calculations, African Americans would have to go without food, shelter, clothing and all other expenses en masse “for well over a decade” to save enough to achieve wealth parity with whites. “So I would say, there is no way that you can catch up by systemic and careful savings. If African Americans saved all of their income – that is, if we didn’t eat, pay any bills, but saved every cent of income – we could not close the wealth gap,” said the professor, who also teaches economics at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.



In economics, the past is present; it is the cushion on which some folks arrive in this world. In the United States, those white cushions were likely embroidered by no- and low-wage Black folks whose descendants are today being slammed to the pavement with no buffer of any kind.

African American households earn less than 60 percent of median white income. At the pace of catch-up since 1968, according to a report issued earlier this year by United for a Fair Economy (UFE), “it would take 581 years” to achieve income parity with whites. But wages are not wealth. For most Americans, home ownership is the major asset. Seventy-five percent of whites own their homes, while more than half of Blacks rent. At the rate of “progress” recorded since 1970, UFE estimates “it would take 1,664 years to close the ownership gap – 55 generations.”

The roots of this unbridgeable gap – unbridgeable, that is, by the conventional mechanisms of capitalism – are much nearer. Duke University’s Dr. Darity follows the path the mule never took to examine the value of the 40 acres most ex-slaves never got. “We were supposed to get 40 million acres, we managed to accumulate 15 million by dint of our own efforts, and now we’re down to about one million acres,” said the professor. “I think people tend to deemphasize the importance of land as wealth. The areas designated by Union General William Sherman’s [1865] field order are now some of the most valuable land in American.” He is referring to the coastal regions of South Carolina and Georgia, now home and playground of the rich.

Of the 15 million acres of land accumulated by Blacks throughout the South in the aftermath of the Civil War, most “was fairly systematically taken away through terror, taxes and fraud. There were instances of the wholesale destruction of Black deeds by arson,” said Darity. The African American real estate patrimony was all but wiped out through white private and public lawlessness – crimes that led directly to today’s racial wealth disparities.

Had the post-Civil War federal government honored and expanded upon Gen. Sherman’s 1865 promise, or passed Congressman Thaddeus Stevens’ 1867 Reparations Bill for the African Slaves in the United States, which would have allotted 40 acres “to each [formerly enslaved] male person who is the head of a family,” African Americans might actually have gotten an economic leg up on the waves of European immigrants that poured into the country during the latter decades of the 1800s.

Trillions lost



What would an 1865 plot of 40 acres be worth to Black America today? According to economist Darity’s numbers, about $1.6 million dollars to every African American – not counting the mule. “That should be the anchor for reparations,” he said.

And what of free and devalued Black labor? In a 2000 paper, Professor Joe R. Feagin, of the University of Florida, at Gainesville, reviewed a number of labor reparations calculations. He concluded:

”Clearly, the sum total of the worth of all the black labor stolen by whites through the means of slavery, segregation, and contemporary discrimination is staggering – many trillions of dollars. The worth of all that labor, taking into account lost interest over time and putting it in today's dollars, is perhaps in the range of $5 to $24 trillion.”
Feagin also tackled the land issue, to demonstrate that historical federal largess to whites dwarfs current Black reparations claims:

”Passed under the Abraham Lincoln administration, the Homestead Act provided access to productive land and wealth, mostly for white families, from the 1860s to the 1930s. Some 246 million acres were provided by the federal government, at minimal cost, for some 1.5 homesteads. Research by Trina Williams…estimates that – depending on calculations of multiple ownership, mortality, marriage, and childbearing patterns – somewhere between 20 and 93 million Americans are now the beneficiaries of this large wealth-generating program over several generations. Williams (2000) suggests that the most likely figure is in the middle range, perhaps 46 million, a figure equal to about one quarter of the current population. Almost all of these beneficiaries have been white, as only 4,000 African Americans made entries under the Homestead Act.”
Thus, white folks, many of them immigrants, received multiples of the acreage promised to Blacks – 246 million vs. 40 million – yet their descendants laugh out loud when African Americans bring up “40 acres and a mule.”

Not one cash dollar

Reparations supporters may tally the bill by any number of formulas, but white America isn’t hearing any of it. Data from a study of racial divisions under the George W. Bush administration, conducted over the past four years by Harvard University Professors Michael C. Dawson and Lawrence Bobo, reveal no support among whites for cash payments to compensate Blacks for slavery and Jim Crow. “None, no support, not any,” Dawson emphasized. “It’s a different world, in terms of how different groups see reality. There’s also a different moral universe.”

Within that morally challenged universe, only 4 percent of whites favored reparations for Black slavery in surveys conducted in 2000 and 2003. Two-thirds of Black respondents favored reparations for slavery.

This year, Dawson and Bobo, both professors of African and African American Studies, sought to clarify Black and white attitudes toward three reparations proposals: cash payments to African Americans as individuals; scholarship funds for disadvantaged African American youth; or the establishment of a Community Trust, to be used to rebuild Black schools and community infrastructure and foster small business.



Whites unanimously rejected the idea of cash payments to Blacks. When asked to assume that reparations were necessary, and to choose some form of compensation, whites favored a Community Trust over scholarships. African Americans favor both cash payments and the Community Trust idea, but are more likely to support the Community Trust framework. All three proposals enjoy some degree of support among African Americans.

A question from the Dawson-Bobo 2003 survey may provide the best measure of general white moral obtuseness on issues of race. When asked if reparations should be paid to the survivors of the white destruction of the Black communities of Tulsa, Oklahoma (1921) and Rosewood, Florida (1923), 84 percent of Blacks said “yes.” Only 11 percent of whites agreed, an indication that widespread white feelings of guilt over racial oppression is a myth.

Professor Dawson noted that “even when presented with a demonstrable survivor of a contemporary event, whites oppose any reparations to the Black victims.”

That’s because most whites consider themselves to be, somehow, victims of African Americans, just as they feel set upon and victimized for no good reason by dark Islamic forces in the world, and for the same reasons that they constructed a national mythology of victimization at the hands of “savage” Indians. The Dawson-Bobo statistics tell a tale of racism in the raw.

So deep is the collective psychosis, that the current and historical reality of enforced Black economic instability, as detailed in the Pew wealth disparity study, seems to affirm many whites in their delusions of superiority. Against all facts and reason, white America rejects redress of Black grievances, because it refuses to recognize its own bloody legacy, as described by University of Florida Professor Joe Feagin:

”White privilege is ubiquitous and imbedded even where most whites cannot see it; it is the foundation of this society. It began in early white gains from slavery and has persisted under legal segregation and contemporary racism. Acceptance of this system of white privileges and black disadvantages as ‘normal’ has conferred advantages for whites now across some fifteen generations.”
There will be a reckoning.

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Unread post by se11 » March 20th, 2006, 12:47 pm

kiss my white ass you racist.

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Unread post by Cold Bear » March 20th, 2006, 1:36 pm

Just can't deal with the facts? Despite the title of this thread, which you can get hurt about if that's your choice, just read the thread itself. Grow the fuck up se11

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Unread post by se11 » March 20th, 2006, 3:25 pm

Cold Bear wrote:Just can't deal with the facts? Despite the title of this thread, which you can get hurt about if that's your choice, just read the thread itself. Grow the fu-- up se11


if i wrote an article called 7% of black men have successful, jobs i'm sure blackmanofhonor would post it up. he seriously posts up anything that will make people feel bad for him or try to make white people look bad. he never takes any responisbilitiy and time after time blames other people for his problems. he's the one that should grow the fuck up and instead of bitching about how black people dont have any jobs, help to get jobs.

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Unread post by Old Shatterhand » March 20th, 2006, 8:50 pm

Tim Wise is a Jewish guy who gets animated about his beliefs sometimes to the point where he won't let other people talk in debates. He is definitely a true believer in what he has to say though, I'll give him that, and why shouldn't he be after studying his people's history? The problem I have with guys like Tim Wise and their opposites is that they filter everything through their "perspective" and then squeeze as much of it as they possibly can into the mold they have created and present it as ultimate truth. And it really isn't. I could take that article to pieces and show a legitimate alternative viewpoint for each one of his concluding with a more reasonable alternative conclusion using exactly the same data. I guess that really IS the point I'm making here.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 20th, 2006, 9:00 pm

Old Shatterhand wrote:Tim Wise is a Jewish guy who gets animated about his beliefs sometimes to the point where he won't let other people talk in debates. He is definitely a true believer in what he has to say though, I'll give him that, and why shouldn't he be after studying his people's history? The problem I have with guys like Tim Wise and their opposites is that they filter everything through their "perspective" and then squeeze as much of it as they possibly can into the mold they have created and present it as ultimate truth. And it really isn't. I could take that article to pieces and show a legitimate alternative viewpoint for each one of his concluding with a more reasonable alternative conclusion using exactly the same data. I guess that really IS the point I'm making here.


So what hes saying isnt reasonable?I mean this is the USA right?why do people act like its hard to believe that this is a white supremicist country?

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Unread post by Old Shatterhand » March 20th, 2006, 10:51 pm

Simple, because most white people in the country are not white supremacists. Some are but most are not. The trend has been away from it since the turn of the century before last. We've come a long way from 3 million KKK hooded men walking down the street of the capital. Now you're more likely to find a million Black men there headed by the Nation of Islam and Jessie Jackson. That's just the truth. There are many factors involved and yes that is still one of them sure.. and it has to be addressed daily forever. But you weight it too heavily in your arguments today friend.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 21st, 2006, 1:24 am

Old Shatterhand wrote:Simple, because most white people in the country are not white supremacists.



not true.most either support or ignore white supremacy.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 21st, 2006, 1:27 am

^^and ignoring it is just as bad as actually doing it.

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Re: delusional devils

Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 21st, 2006, 1:30 am

blackmanofhonor wrote:
That white perceptions of the extent of racial bias are rooted in a
stupendous miasma of ignorance is made clear by a number of salient
facts. First, as will be shown below, there is the statistical evidence
indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not
documentary; and secondly, the simple truth that white perceptions of
racism's salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back
as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most
blatant racial discrimination, 60% of whites said that blacks were
treated equally in their communities.
In 1962, only 8 years after the
Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation's schools (but well
before schools had actually moved to integrate their classrooms), a
stunning 84% of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational
opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is
nothing new: it was firmly entrenched even when this nation operated
under a formal system of apartheid
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Of course, I hardly expect the facts to matter much, as an awful lot of
white folks seem impervious to them. When it comes to racial realities,
the levels of ignorance are so ingrained as to be almost laughable.


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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 21st, 2006, 1:35 am

Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.

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Unread post by Sentenza » March 21st, 2006, 7:07 am

I would like to know:

Name me a few white politicians/entertainers/celebrities, that are openly or secretely discrimantive against blacks and some who arent racist.

Just out of interest.

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Unread post by se11 » March 21st, 2006, 12:39 pm

blackmanofhonor wrote:Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.


i'm nuts! your the one that called america a third world country.

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Unread post by none for you » March 21st, 2006, 5:07 pm

se11 wrote:
blackmanofhonor wrote:Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.


i'm nuts! your the one that called america a third world country.



I am starting to think that hedoesnt knwo the differnece between white people and politicians.. that he has some weird idea that all white people have some secret power and we can actually enforce some sort of control over nonwhites and that whiote people never suffer of do without or have problems that are parallel to the problems he claims to face daily, but then we are pretty clear on the fact that generalities are tossed around here so liberally that of course all white people are oppressing all black people and I amthe fokking queen of ENGLAND!

WHATEVER!
se11. you should spare yourself the aggrevation and let him win a no win battle of dimwitted accusations

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Unread post by Christina Marie » March 21st, 2006, 10:37 pm

blackmanofhonor wrote:Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.



You are joking right?

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Unread post by curiousdude06 » March 21st, 2006, 10:46 pm

methinks he's one of those self pitying trolls

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 21st, 2006, 11:22 pm

se11 wrote:
blackmanofhonor wrote:Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.


i'm nuts! your the one that called america a third world country.


seriously

he says "third world" and then when I show him REAL third world he say's I'm changing the subject - when he brought it up!

He can't face it when he's wrong.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 21st, 2006, 11:23 pm

curiousdude06 wrote:methinks he's one of those self pitying trolls


More than just self pitying.... he's using to nurture whatever wounds he may have and also as both an excuse to not do better and a source of self-praise if he does suceed.

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Unread post by Dr. Gonzo » March 22nd, 2006, 12:16 am

I wouldn't say ALL honkies are NUTS, but most of them are weird...

I know alot of honkies and their ok. :?

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Unread post by DC » March 22nd, 2006, 1:27 am

^^^^^^ Most honkies hey Gonzo, If we said most beaners or wetbacks are weird people would say we are racists.

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Unread post by se11 » March 22nd, 2006, 10:33 am

i dont mind gonzo saying honkeys or crackers because i know he's not a racist piece of shit like blackman is. he's not going around calling me the devil and i know he's a respectable person. its like have one friend thats different from you and you rip on him for being what he is, but at the same time, you'd get down for him whenever he needs you to.

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Unread post by none for you » March 23rd, 2006, 12:35 am

Cold Bear wrote:Just can't deal with the facts? Despite the title of this thread, which you can get hurt about if that's your choice, just read the thread itself. Grow the fu-- up se11


hmmm according to those numbers, I am black.... I guess numbers have all the answers...

but what do I know? is it true? Does poverty really make people want to smoke crack?
you know they say cocaine is for people who have too much money....

no wonder i never liked the shit.

so what is the criteria for being a crackwhore?
cuz according to the facts all black people in poverty have too much money and smoke crack... I dont get it.

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Unread post by none for you » March 23rd, 2006, 12:40 am

se11 wrote:i dont mind gonzo saying honkeys or crackers because i know he's not a racist piece of shit like blackman is. he's not going around calling me the devil and i know he's a respectable person. its like have one friend thats different from you and you rip on him for being what he is, but at the same time, you'd get down for him whenever he needs you to.


wait a FUCKIN MINUTE... if they are gonna use words like cracker and honky, then I am gonna use the word nigger.


anything else would be PREJUDICED HYPOCRACY.

or are we practicing "reverse descrimination" again?

anyway.. I really resent being called anything derogatory.... but i can dish it out and take it like the best of them.

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Unread post by sicilian » March 23rd, 2006, 2:47 am

You are not owed shit. Do you see my mother suing the jews for the land they took from her grandparents from palestine???
Does my dad sue for the poverty of sicily where his grandparents hailed???
Face it, you are owed nothing MOOLIE.

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Unread post by sicilian » March 23rd, 2006, 2:48 am

realize the real lies wrote:
se11 wrote:i dont mind gonzo saying honkeys or crackers because i know he's not a racist piece of shit like blackman is. he's not going around calling me the devil and i know he's a respectable person. its like have one friend thats different from you and you rip on him for being what he is, but at the same time, you'd get down for him whenever he needs you to.


wait a FUCKIN MINUTE... if they are gonna use words like cracker and honky, then I am gonna use the word nigger.


anything else would be PREJUDICED HYPOCRACY.

or are we practicing "reverse descrimination" again?

anyway.. I really resent being called anything derogatory.... but i can dish it out and take it like the best of them.

exactly
they dish it out but cant take it but we need to fight back

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 23rd, 2006, 8:14 am

White people are level-headed enough that they don't get upset when someone calls them the n-word.


LOL

"realize the lies" posted up the website for all these stupid jokes like that here

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/viewtopic.php?t=12771&start=60

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Unread post by Dr. Gonzo » March 23rd, 2006, 8:50 am

realize the real lies wrote:
se11 wrote:i dont mind gonzo saying honkeys or crackers because i know he's not a racist piece of shit like blackman is. he's not going around calling me the devil and i know he's a respectable person. its like have one friend thats different from you and you rip on him for being what he is, but at the same time, you'd get down for him whenever he needs you to.


wait a FUCKIN MINUTE... if they are gonna use words like cracker and honky, then I am gonna use the word nigger.


anything else would be PREJUDICED HYPOCRACY.

or are we practicing "reverse descrimination" again?

anyway.. I really resent being called anything derogatory.... but i can dish it out and take it like the best of them.


Shut up.

Cracker!

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Unread post by se11 » March 23rd, 2006, 1:14 pm

realize the real lies wrote:
se11 wrote:i dont mind gonzo saying honkeys or crackers because i know he's not a racist piece of shit like blackman is. he's not going around calling me the devil and i know he's a respectable person. its like have one friend thats different from you and you rip on him for being what he is, but at the same time, you'd get down for him whenever he needs you to.


wait a FUCKIN MINUTE... if they are gonna use words like cracker and honky, then I am gonna use the word nigger.


anything else would be PREJUDICED HYPOCRACY.

or are we practicing "reverse descrimination" again?

anyway.. I really resent being called anything derogatory.... but i can dish it out and take it like the best of them.


he didnt even say it in an offensive way, and im not going to jump on a band wagon of "who you callin cracker" or whatever. if he attacks whites like blackmanofhonor does then yeah im going to say something back because hes a fucking racist.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 23rd, 2006, 3:14 pm

se11 wrote:
blackmanofhonor wrote:Quite frankly,and I mean this from the heart.....most white americans are INSANE.I mean look at how they think and act.They are sick.Lunatics.From George Washington to your average everyday se11...whites are NUTS.


i'm nuts! your the one that called america a third world country.


I said that minorities in america experience third world like conditions (majority unemployed,over halfr of kids born below poverty level etc) here in America.WHich is true.

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Unread post by blackmanofhonor » March 23rd, 2006, 3:16 pm

EVN - I'm just me... wrote:
curiousdude06 wrote:methinks he's one of those self pitying trolls


More than just self pitying.... he's using to nurture whatever wounds he may have and also as both an excuse to not do better and a source of self-praise if he does suceed.


how do you know what I am or am not doing to better myself?

and its not self pitying,its stating facts...if me stating the truth makes you feel pity,then thats on you.

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