A White guy visiting the ghetto.

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Unread post by se11 » May 1st, 2005, 3:10 pm

in the middle of december the sun goes down at 4:30.

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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

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purplecityhello wrote:
Rosieshosh wrote:I would like to respond to the guy's original question.

I live in New York, but maybe the situation is somewhat similar.

I am a "white" (Jewish) woman and I used to work in Bedford Stuyvesant, supposedly a "dangerous" neighborhood in Brooklyn. I was the only white person that I ever saw for the year that I worked there.
I took the subway to and from work and sometimes left the office (alone occasionally) after dark, like 6:30 PM or 7 PM and locked up the building and went to the subway.
Part of my job was to visit people at home (I am a social worker) and I went into some nearby neighborhoods and rang doorbells of my client's homes.

I never had a problem the whole year.
To be honest, no one even gave me a funny look the whole time I was in Bed Stuy. I went out to the McDonald's for lunch every day, went to the drugstore to run errands, went to the post office next door, on the subway, etc. Literally no one ever looked at me strange like I didn't belong there.

Some people were nice and as they passed me by on the street said "How are you doing today?" and "Have a blessed day."

I think what people said before is true: if you have business being there and you take care of your business and seem to know what you are doing, show respect to people, act normally, then people will be respectful to you in return.

lets be serious here. when since has 6:30 to 7 pm been considered late? the sun is still outside, Its not safe for a black woman or any woman in fact walking thru certain parts of the Sty at night by themselves - let alone a white woman. youre a social worker or a child cop as we call em in H world, it wouldnt be wise to mess with a social worker and the people in the neighborhood are the least of your worries - its the parents of whom you might take the kids from and then you still have police escorts for homes labeled a problem. Youre right on the whole respect issue, but seriously im a grown man and smart enough to acknowledge that its not safe for ME to walk down nostrom ave at 2am alone without a ratchet....so honestly i cant picture a white women trekking thru marcy but you do what you do and do it well.

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they probably dont know shes a social worker and still wont mess with her because she doesnt attract attention. Hell I walked through some sopposevly tough parts of L.A and didnt get bothered exept maybe stared at.

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purplecityhello wrote:MOVE TO HARLEM TODAY, FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS, AMPLE PARKING SPACE, AND BEST OF ALL...NO CRIME
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LOL! Imagine if a rich couple got lost there.

"I say Reginald what is all that lettering on the walls."
"My my Edna quiet down these fellows seem quite pleasant. I wonder if they can give us directions to the Galla. We are supposed to meet Arthur and his wife inside the ballroom."
"Oh look Reginald a grocery. I wonder if they have any prunes? I shall go inquire"
"Ta-Ta Edna."
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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 8:03 pm

purplecityhello wrote:seriously im a grown man and smart enough to acknowledge that its not safe for ME to walk down nostrom ave at 2am alone without a ratchet....so honestly i cant picture a white women trekking thru marcy
Especialy a jewish one.

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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

Unread post by Rosieshosh » May 1st, 2005, 9:28 pm

I don't see how my being Jewish made it any different.
It's doubtful that anyone could tell I was Jewish upon meeting me for the first time or just seeing me anyway.

I suppose the fact that I am a brunette and not a blonde might have made me "stick out" in the neighborhood a tiny bit less. Maybe some people thought I was "Hispanic"? (Such is the crazy racial code of New York City...)

For the record, as a social worker, I never had any "police escort" for "problem homes" (whatever that means.)
And I am not and was never a "child cop" - it was not my particular job to investigate child abuse claims.
Social workers all do different things.
I worked with people with HIV/AIDS, substance abusers, etc.

Also, yes, it is dark in winter in New York by 6:30PM. Actually it gets dark by 4:30 in the dead of winter for a few weeks.

And I did once go to Bed Stuy (Nostrand and Fulton) at 11:30 PM to a party - also felt okay and relatively safe but of course less so than I did at 6:30 PM. (This is New York after all).

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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 9:39 pm

Rosieshosh wrote:I don't see how my being Jewish made it any different.
In my neighborhood, it wouldnt have gone the same. Your a woman, so nobody would beat you up or anything, but I have personaly seen and participated in some beatdowns of jewish kids who walk through back when I was a kid. And the boys here still feel the same today.
The Irish dont take kindly to jews. And I know and have seen ALOT of hispanics that feel the same. Its not a black neighborhood, so I dont know their stance on it, but thats why I said that.

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Unread post by DC » May 1st, 2005, 10:07 pm

Why do people hate jews, because the are smart and successful businessman. This has always amazed me?

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 10:10 pm

No. Because they are the media, they are hollywood and they have sh*t on the Irish since we got here, until of course, our number rose. hehehe. Oh yea, and their people killed Christ of course.

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Unread post by DC » May 1st, 2005, 10:15 pm

Im not Catholic so I dont believe they killed christ, but I have known many Jews and personally they are just regular people to me but I admire there knowledge and business skills.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 10:16 pm

They arent the only people with buisness skills brother. Thats a personal skill. Not a skill of the entire race.

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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

Unread post by DC » May 1st, 2005, 10:22 pm

True, I just think hating is stupid, Jews are people just like the Irish.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 10:27 pm

Yea, but they are people who have snaked their way to higher positions like corporations, government and the media to f*ck with everyone else. They are greedy, and have sh*tty morals. Just my opinion.
Thats cool that you have had good run ins with jews, your a cool guy, so I can respect that. I however, cannot recall any positive run ins with them.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 10:28 pm

DC wrote:Im not Catholic so I dont believe they killed christ, but I have known many Jews and personally they are just regular people to me but I admire there knowledge and business skills.
Thats also another big part of it. The Catholic/Jewish issue. Thats why I mentioned that I have seen and know many Hispanics that feel the same as we (Irish) do.

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Unread post by Rosieshosh » May 1st, 2005, 10:54 pm

Wow, I never realized that in this day and age there is so much distaste for Jews.

In Bed Stuy working in a black environment I never encountered negativity directed toward my Jewishness.
If anything some of my (all black) clients and coworkers seemed respectful of my religion and culture.

As for the Irish, I don't know too many Irish people. To be honest, I don't meet many Irish people in New York. I don't think most Jewish people think one way or the other about Irish people, so I am surprised to hear that we are disliked by them.
Since many Irish tend to be working class, and American Jews do tend to be middle, upper middle, or upper class, maybe we simply don't run into Irish people much?
The cultures do seem very different to me.
Jews are not a drinking culture, and we are a very intellectual/verbal culture, whereas Irish always struck me as sort of "men of few words" type of people.

As for Hispanic, I also don't have too much contact with Hispanics, although I do have Hispanic coworkers and clients.
Never thought much about religious differences, although it's true that many Hispanics are Catholics.

To be honest, I find many Hispanics I meet very pleasant and nice, but have had bad interactions with two Hispanic supervisors. Truly we were unable to communicate.
One was an Argentinian immigrant and the other was a white Puerto Rican New Yorker who seemed to think she was black! (married to a black man, two children with him, belonged to a black church and spoke with a "black American" accent) - very strange. She was quite unpleasant and seemed to take a strong dislike to me. The feeling soon became mutual. She was also quite disrespectful of my religion and disparaged my need to not work on Jewish holidays and Sabbath (as the law requires that employers must give us these days off). Suffice it to say this was not a good scene.
On the whole, I guess I am puzzled by Hispanics and find them hard to read. The communication style seems to be different. More polite, less direct.

If anything, I feel Jewish culture and African American culture have lots of similarities and it makes me feel more comfortable.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:10 pm

Rosieshosh wrote:
As for the Irish, I don't know too many Irish people. To be honest, I don't meet many Irish people in New York. I don't think most Jewish people think one way or the other about Irish people, so I am surprised to hear that we are disliked by them.
Since many Irish tend to be working class, and American Jews do tend to be middle, upper middle, or upper class, maybe we simply don't run into Irish people much?
The cultures do seem very different to me.
Jews are not a drinking culture, and we are a very intellectual/verbal culture, whereas Irish always struck me as sort of "men of few words" type of people.
Yea, you dont run into us much. hahaha thats right. Cause were working class. We drink and fight and live in sh*tty neighborhoods. Not like the great jews who dont drink and live in country clubs. Your not aware of our people's beef because you pricks are too f*ckin stuck up to see it. It becomes VERY obvious though when you f*cks walk to our neighborhoods though. All the sudden its crystal clear. My brother served 2 years for kicking the ass of some wise ass jew who was in one of our neighborhood bars. Didnt matter that the assh*le shoved my brother and hit him with a bottle before having his ass handed to him in a doggy bag. Turns out this punk was the son of a respected city lawyer. So who got burned? The Irish factory worker who broke the jew's jaw.

And yea, our cultures are VERY different. We belive in making our kids work for things, not handing them over for free.

We belive in respecting and helping your neighbors. Not gossiping about them and f*cking them over.

We may be poor lady, but your money cant buy morals and decency.
I think your people are filthy pigs between you and me.

And Jews are an intellectual/verbal type of people? The Irish are of few words? That proves my point of the stuck up c*nt theory I have for you'se guys.

Im done talking to you. I usualy wouldnt chat with a hooknose anyway.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:18 pm

Rosieshosh wrote: To be honest, I find many Hispanics I meet very pleasant and nice, but have had bad interactions with two Hispanic supervisors. Truly we were unable to communicate.
One was an Argentinian immigrant and the other was a white Puerto Rican New Yorker who seemed to think she was black! (married to a black man, two children with him, belonged to a black church and spoke with a "black American" accent) - very strange. She was quite unpleasant and seemed to take a strong dislike to me. The feeling soon became mutual. She was also quite disrespectful of my religion and disparaged my need to not work on Jewish holidays and Sabbath (as the law requires that employers must give us these days off). Suffice it to say this was not a good scene.
On the whole, I guess I am puzzled by Hispanics and find them hard to read. The communication style seems to be different. More polite, less direct.
Again proves my point. I know why hispanics "puzzle you" and you find them hard to read. Because you are narrow minded. Most jews are.
Hispanics are VERY easy to read, lady. Very honest and down to earth. They are great workers and great people and I am proud to call them my brothers, proud that we (The Irish) share neighborhoods and churches with them, and proud to be married to one and be accepted into the family. Quit thinkin of your money for a change and learn to think more open mindedly.

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Re: A White guy visiting the ghetto.

Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:23 pm

Rosieshosh wrote: If anything, I feel Jewish culture and African American culture have lots of similarities and it makes me feel more comfortable.
Hey well good for you......

By the way, the Puerto Rican who seemed to act black, just so you know, many Rican/Americans have more of a black culture to them than other hispanics.

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Unread post by Rosieshosh » May 1st, 2005, 11:24 pm

Mick, I'm sorry your brother went to prison for 2 years but maybe if he spent less time in bars to begin with he wouldn't have ended up in some drunken bar fight? Just a thought.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:26 pm

f*ck you you kike b*tch

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:27 pm

Maybe if that kid stayed in a decent neighborhood, and spent daddy's money on school, like so many working class kids wish they could, he wouldnt have had to have his jaw wired in place.

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Unread post by DC » May 1st, 2005, 11:29 pm

Mick I respect your views totally, I have many Irish friends and know alot about Irish culture. I guess I have the same opinion of Arabs as you do the Jews, I just dont see eye to eye with any arab and basically have no time for them..

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:29 pm

Its a joke that you would even consider criticising us.

Take a look at you f*ckin selves.

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DC wrote:Mick I respect your views totally, I have many Irish friends and know alot about Irish culture. I guess I have the same opinion of Arabs as you do the Jews, I just dont see eye to eye with any arab and basically have no time for them..
I feel ya.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:31 pm

Maybe if the government gave us the leverage they give the jews, than we could get better jobs and not have to spend time in bars for fun. Sh*t, we could take up golf. hahaha. Id be the only guy playing golf with Harley Davidson boots on. LMAO

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Im sorry for what happend to your brother, I hate people that start fights and then run to the law for help when they get fucked up, they just dont understand the rules of battle.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:34 pm

Exactly. That was about 5 years ago, so hes ok now.

And by the way, to whats her name.... My brother had 1 beer. He just got there... The rich jewish kid? drunk off his ass. he'd been there for hours.
My brother was sober. So much for the drunken bar fight theory of yours.

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Unread post by Rosieshosh » May 1st, 2005, 11:40 pm

Look Mick, it's a shame your brother had to go to prison. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I'm sure he didn't deserve it.

However, I must take issue with your talk of the "leverage the government gives Jews." What leverage is this exactly?

Irish people have been in the U.S. for longer than Jews, who are more recent immigrants. Irish people are white people, whose first language is English, who are Christians.
I don't see how Irish can exactly claim to be disadvantaged in any way.
They are not discriminated against in any way at this point in America.

If they have not, as a group, advanced as far as Jews have in general, well, they have only themselves to blame.

Perhaps laying off the bars and the bottle might help?

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:52 pm

Rosieshosh wrote:Look Mick, it's a shame your brother had to go to prison. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I'm sure he didn't deserve it.

However, I must take issue with your talk of the "leverage the government gives Jews." What leverage is this exactly?

Irish people have been in the U.S. for longer than Jews, who are more recent immigrants. Irish people are white people, whose first language is English, who are Christians.
I don't see how Irish can exactly claim to be disadvantaged in any way.
They are not discriminated against in any way at this point in America.

If they have not, as a group, advanced as far as Jews have in general, well, they have only themselves to blame.

Perhaps laying off the bars and the bottle might help?
Jews have been given the big corporate spots, but most of all, the media.

The Irish as a whole are not disadvantaged. But there are two differnt kinds of Irish. WORKING CLASS IRISH (me and my neighbors)
And WHITE COLLAR IRISH (your neighbors).

White collar Irish dont have the same issues we have. We face the same struggles as any other race in the working class. I dont see Irish white collars (stiffs, as we call em here in my neighborhood) as my own. Sure, they're Irish, but they realy arent my own. They are VERY different.
One thing you said was true, MOST Irish are working class. However there are a large amount of middle class too. I gaurantee that if an Irish guy from my street tried to open a store at the same time a jew did in the same location, the jew would be granted that building.

And as far as laying off the bars and the bottle.... Dont be so f*ckin greedy. Think of other colors except green. Thats what I love about you f*ckers. You think your so high and mighty. You'se guys will get yours Christ killers. And by the way, we were never Hitler's bitches. We're tougher than that.

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Unread post by MICK » May 1st, 2005, 11:54 pm

Hitler's b*tches^ forgot to add the *

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Rosieshosh wrote:Look Mick, it's a shame your brother had to go to prison. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I'm sure he didn't deserve it.

However, I must take issue with your talk of the "leverage the government gives Jews." What leverage is this exactly?

Irish people have been in the U.S. for longer than Jews, who are more recent immigrants. Irish people are white people, whose first language is English, who are Christians.
I don't see how Irish can exactly claim to be disadvantaged in any way.
They are not discriminated against in any way at this point in America.

If they have not, as a group, advanced as far as Jews have in general, well, they have only themselves to blame.

Perhaps laying off the bars and the bottle might help?
See, thats why I cant talk to these people. They think they are so great.
They are so f*ckin full of themselves. She started that off very respectfuly, and when I read the first sentence I thought, hey maybe this is a jew that can be communicated with in a respectful manner. But then the cunt throws in the "bottle and bars" remark. Its okay. Eat your bagels and enjoy your mansion. You are beter than me. LMAO

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Unread post by Rosieshosh » May 2nd, 2005, 12:09 am

Mick, why are you writing four messages, basically responding to only *yourself* over and over again?

You are the one who brought up Irish people, not me.
I don't think much about Irish people one way or the other, mostly because I don't meet many these days.

Growing up in the suburbs many of my classmates were Irish and they basically blended in with the WASPS, just like any other white people.
I don't see the big deal abotu who is Irish and who is not.
I certainly don't disparage them the way you do Jews.

As for the government "giving" us Holllywood or the media or a "building" to start a business, that is simply false.
Jews have succeeded in disproportionately in almost every profession, including Hollywood, the media, businesses, but also writing, music, art, fashion, academia, teaching, etc., because we work hard (something you claim to respect.)
No, not because our "fathers give us money."

Both of my parents grew up poor, and they were the first in their families to ever go to college.
But they went.

Why? Because their families prioritized education.
Even if it meant going to a city school that was free, or getting a full scholarship to college (yes, my father got a scholarship to college, even though he came from a very poor family, by EARNING it - he never got a B his whole high school career). He still works extremely hard to this day. Most Jews I know are like this.

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