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Humans are monkeys...
Kind of funny i think.
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I am a monkey, definately. Always have been. I like it.
And of all monkeys, my favourite must be the Bonobo Chimp (well its an ape). When those lil' dudes get stressed, they have a shag, boom, immediately without delay - boy Bonobo jumps on girl and slams her right there and then they cool down and get on with thier monkey business. Nice little society that one.
And of all monkeys, my favourite must be the Bonobo Chimp (well its an ape). When those lil' dudes get stressed, they have a shag, boom, immediately without delay - boy Bonobo jumps on girl and slams her right there and then they cool down and get on with thier monkey business. Nice little society that one.
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I'm a human being not a monkey. Here is a better video than that one. Not as funny but more interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNocC85MU6w [/video]
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Old Shatterhand wrote:I'm a human being not a monkey. Here is a better video than that one. Not as funny but more interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNocC85MU6w [/video]
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that's an interesting video Shatterhand, but to be honest it was inaccurate on some points.Old Shatterhand wrote:I'm a human being not a monkey. Here is a better video than that one. Not as funny but more interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNocC85MU6w [/video]
Inference is not proof. This is easier to explain by example. For thousands of years, Europeans only saw white adult swans. Therefore, by inferrence, "all swans are white." Until they went to australia and saw black swans for the first time. Then they realized they couldn't be sure from inference on any number of "facts."
Just as I'm very sure you're aware that many particles and theories in physics were merely hypothesized and inferred before discovered. This does not, as you know, discredit their theories, but at the same time it also does prove their existence. Remember the "luminiferous aether" that light supposedly traveled on? If we had followed the inference without experimentation there, and if Albert Michelson and Edward Morley had faked their results, then we would have been set back hundreds of years in terms of physics and other fields (you probably know more about this than me.)
Basically, God accounts for these issues brought up in the video, but what accounts for God? Yes, I realize that is a very, VERY troubling question. I know what accounts for my belief in God is personal experiences and direct intervention, but to people who do not share a similar background, life, or faith, we cannot use these inferences as proof to those who have never seen. It's like proving the existence of black swans to those who never saw them.
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Great post MiChuhSuh. You are correct that inference alone is not enough to prove something and your example was well chosen. It's good that you understand many of life's most important realities cannot be seen both in the physical and the metaphysical realms. As you probably already know by the look of it, metaphysics (e.g. beyond physics) is the study of being as being reality as opposed to the study of being as physical (physics) or being as mathematical (mathematics) and is used interchangeably with ontology which is the study of being or existence and forms the basic subject matter of metaphysics. Now watch the video again. The speaker does not rely solely on inference alone.
The question you ask is not troubling but interesting. I suspect someone with his worldview might begin a response by pointing out that time itself is a dimension just as space dimensions are and a part of this universe. Since God is not bound to these dimensions and exists outside of them and the universe (despite interacting with the universe) and free to move in other dimensions (or possibly even no dimensions at all): there is no origination requirement for His existence as there is for ours.
Of course this goes against our naturalist way of thinking which is rooted in our material existence and must follow the rules of physics in this universe but it makes sense logically speaking for a immensely powerful spirit being that doesn't have to.
The question you ask is not troubling but interesting. I suspect someone with his worldview might begin a response by pointing out that time itself is a dimension just as space dimensions are and a part of this universe. Since God is not bound to these dimensions and exists outside of them and the universe (despite interacting with the universe) and free to move in other dimensions (or possibly even no dimensions at all): there is no origination requirement for His existence as there is for ours.
Of course this goes against our naturalist way of thinking which is rooted in our material existence and must follow the rules of physics in this universe but it makes sense logically speaking for a immensely powerful spirit being that doesn't have to.
MiChuhSuh wrote:that's an interesting video Shatterhand, but to be honest it was inaccurate on some points.Old Shatterhand wrote:I'm a human being not a monkey. Here is a better video than that one. Not as funny but more interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNocC85MU6w [/video]
Inference is not proof. This is easier to explain by example. For thousands of years, Europeans only saw white adult swans. Therefore, by inferrence, "all swans are white." Until they went to australia and saw black swans for the first time. Then they realized they couldn't be sure from inference on any number of "facts."
Just as I'm very sure you're aware that many particles and theories in physics were merely hypothesized and inferred before discovered. This does not, as you know, discredit their theories, but at the same time it also does prove their existence. Remember the "luminiferous aether" that light supposedly traveled on? If we had followed the inference without experimentation there, and if Albert Michelson and Edward Morley had faked their results, then we would have been set back hundreds of years in terms of physics and other fields (you probably know more about this than me.)
Basically, God accounts for these issues brought up in the video, but what accounts for God? Yes, I realize that is a very, VERY troubling question. I know what accounts for my belief in God is personal experiences and direct intervention, but to people who do not share a similar background, life, or faith, we cannot use these inferences as proof to those who have never seen. It's like proving the existence of black swans to those who never saw them.
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he tellin the truth tho ghostA Ghost wrote:Shut yo monkey ass upNoog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
we were once monkeys but we evolved into a new species called humans.
like everything was once a single celled life form.
but thats the scientific way we got here.
theres also the god way that says we are all made of clay or mud.
Im not that familiar with the bible so im sorry if i got that wrong everybody.
On top of that, even if you believed in the "common descent" version of evolution, we are descended from "apes" not "monkeys"$outhPhillypuppet wrote:he tellin the truth tho ghostA Ghost wrote:Shut yo monkey ass upNoog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
we were once monkeys but we evolved into a new species called humans.
like everything was once a single celled life form.
but thats the scientific way we got here.
theres also the god way that says we are all made of clay or mud.
Im not that familiar with the bible so im sorry if i got that wrong everybody.
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I know we arent monkies, but we evolved from all that.$outhPhillypuppet wrote:he tellin the truth tho ghostA Ghost wrote:Shut yo monkey ass upNoog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
we were once monkeys but we evolved into a new species called humans.
like everything was once a single celled life form.
but thats the scientific way we got here.
theres also the god way that says we are all made of clay or mud.
Im not that familiar with the bible so im sorry if i got that wrong everybody.
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To be sure, evolutionary biologists do not think humanity originated from one man and one woman (though progressive creationists and other young earth creationists do). Most of the evolutionary biologists maintain that large populations of either the hominid predecessors to modem humans or the first modem humans suffered a catastrophic collapse. When this occurred, scientists claim, genetic diversity was lost and the first humans went through a genetic bottleneck. After suffering the population collapse, the humans who supposedly endured the bottleneck are thought to have experienced rapid population growth and expansion to fill the planet. Some evolutionary biologists disagree with this (including many geneticists) believing that the evidence does not indicate a large population suffering a catastrophic collapse but rather a small original population. Those progressive creationists engaged in serious scientific inquiry believe this small original population can be explained back to an original pair.
However, I don't see any credible modern scientists these days defending the aging multi-regional hypothesis (most are opting out for the Out-of-Africa hypothesis with a splinter group of progressive creationists involved in serious research moving the location North) or any origin for modern humans studies suggesting a date greater than 200,000 years (the outward range of mitochondrial DNA testing [e.g. Mitochondrial Eve]) with most asserting approximately 170,000 years ago to 50,000 years ago.
Currently most evolutionary biologists theorize the reason for the large discrepancy between the dates for mitochondrial Eve (150,000 to 200,000 years ago) and "Y-chromosomal Adam" (40,000 to 60,000 years ago) can be explained because males living prior to-chromosomal Adam failed to pass along their genes and hence their genetic fingerprint.This lack of inheritance could occur if all their descendants had died out. As a lone survivor, Y-chromosomal Adam, born around 50,000 years ago, thus happened to have his genetic fingerprint take over the entire human population.
However, many prominent scientists disagree entirely with that theorization. For example, a recent study, reported in 2004 by molecular anthropologists from the University of Arizona, noted that the mitochondrial-DNA dates were consistently twice those measured using Y chromosomes for three population groups (Khoisan, Mongolians, and Papua New Guineans.) This constant difference goes beyond mere coincidence and reveals a pattern in the data.They also failed to detect any evidence in theychromosomal data for the so-called selective sweep that would have occurred if Y-chromosomal Adam were a lone survivor among many different males.
The researchers suggested that mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam lived at the same time and that the disparity in the mitochondrial and Y-chromosomai dates is not real. Rather this difference reflects a larger effective Population size for females than for males. This explanation makes sense for progressive creationists who hold to either a local Flood account (not a world-wide deluge), because a single Y-chromosome sequence would be represented by Noah and his sons. The wives of Noah and his sons would have had up to four different mitochondrial-DNA sequences, making it appear as if the effective population size of the female lineage was larger than the male lineage.
I'm just pointing out the science and the various hypothesis held by modern scientists involved in serious inquiry on the origins of humanity here to show that 200,000 years ago is the outward boundary of modern science for the origins of humanity for all groups of evolutionists and progressive creationists (the only groups involved in serious science right now concerning the origins of humanity imo
However, I don't see any credible modern scientists these days defending the aging multi-regional hypothesis (most are opting out for the Out-of-Africa hypothesis with a splinter group of progressive creationists involved in serious research moving the location North) or any origin for modern humans studies suggesting a date greater than 200,000 years (the outward range of mitochondrial DNA testing [e.g. Mitochondrial Eve]) with most asserting approximately 170,000 years ago to 50,000 years ago.
Currently most evolutionary biologists theorize the reason for the large discrepancy between the dates for mitochondrial Eve (150,000 to 200,000 years ago) and "Y-chromosomal Adam" (40,000 to 60,000 years ago) can be explained because males living prior to-chromosomal Adam failed to pass along their genes and hence their genetic fingerprint.This lack of inheritance could occur if all their descendants had died out. As a lone survivor, Y-chromosomal Adam, born around 50,000 years ago, thus happened to have his genetic fingerprint take over the entire human population.
However, many prominent scientists disagree entirely with that theorization. For example, a recent study, reported in 2004 by molecular anthropologists from the University of Arizona, noted that the mitochondrial-DNA dates were consistently twice those measured using Y chromosomes for three population groups (Khoisan, Mongolians, and Papua New Guineans.) This constant difference goes beyond mere coincidence and reveals a pattern in the data.They also failed to detect any evidence in theychromosomal data for the so-called selective sweep that would have occurred if Y-chromosomal Adam were a lone survivor among many different males.
The researchers suggested that mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam lived at the same time and that the disparity in the mitochondrial and Y-chromosomai dates is not real. Rather this difference reflects a larger effective Population size for females than for males. This explanation makes sense for progressive creationists who hold to either a local Flood account (not a world-wide deluge), because a single Y-chromosome sequence would be represented by Noah and his sons. The wives of Noah and his sons would have had up to four different mitochondrial-DNA sequences, making it appear as if the effective population size of the female lineage was larger than the male lineage.
I'm just pointing out the science and the various hypothesis held by modern scientists involved in serious inquiry on the origins of humanity here to show that 200,000 years ago is the outward boundary of modern science for the origins of humanity for all groups of evolutionists and progressive creationists (the only groups involved in serious science right now concerning the origins of humanity imo
Noog wrote:sts pseudo-science I dismiss).
As for us coming from apes, I don't believe the evidence shows that to be true. But I respect many fine scientists that do assert that and hold to theistic evolution (such as Francis Collins the Director of the Human Genome Project) believing it is the best fit of the evidence.
Noog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
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My post got chopped off somehow Noog so here it is in its entirety:
To be sure, evolutionary biologists do not think humanity originated from one man and one woman (though progressive creationists and other young earth creationists do). Most of the evolutionary biologists maintain that large populations of either the hominid predecessors to modem humans or the first modem humans suffered a catastrophic collapse. When this occurred, scientists claim, genetic diversity was lost and the first humans went through a genetic bottleneck. After suffering the population collapse, the humans who supposedly endured the bottleneck are thought to have experienced rapid population growth and expansion to fill the planet. Some evolutionary biologists disagree with this (including many geneticists) believing that the evidence does not indicate a large population suffering a catastrophic collapse but rather a small original population. Those progressive creationists engaged in serious scientific inquiry believe this small original population can be explained back to an original pair.
However, I don't see any credible modern scientists these days defending the aging multi-regional hypothesis (most are opting out for the Out-of-Africa hypothesis with a splinter group of progressive creationists involved in serious research moving the location North) or any origin for modern humans studies suggesting a date greater than 200,000 years (the outward range of mitochondrial DNA testing [e.g. Mitochondrial Eve]) with most asserting approximately 170,000 years ago to 50,000 years ago.
Currently most evolutionary biologists theorize the reason for the large discrepancy between the dates for mitochondrial Eve (150,000 to 200,000 years ago) and "Y-chromosomal Adam" (40,000 to 60,000 years ago) can be explained because males living prior to-chromosomal Adam failed to pass along their genes and hence their genetic fingerprint.This lack of inheritance could occur if all their descendants had died out. As a lone survivor, Y-chromosomal Adam, born around 50,000 years ago, thus happened to have his genetic fingerprint take over the entire human population.
However, many prominent scientists disagree entirely with that theorization. For example, a recent study, reported in 2004 by molecular anthropologists from the University of Arizona, noted that the mitochondrial-DNA dates were consistently twice those measured using Y chromosomes for three population groups (Khoisan, Mongolians, and Papua New Guineans.) This constant difference goes beyond mere coincidence and reveals a pattern in the data.They also failed to detect any evidence in theychromosomal data for the so-called selective sweep that would have occurred if Y-chromosomal Adam were a lone survivor among many different males.
The researchers suggested that mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam lived at the same time and that the disparity in the mitochondrial and Y-chromosomai dates is not real. Rather this difference reflects a larger effective Population size for females than for males. This explanation makes sense for progressive creationists who hold to either a local Flood account (not a world-wide deluge), because a single Y-chromosome sequence would be represented by Noah and his sons. The wives of Noah and his sons would have had up to four different mitochondrial-DNA sequences, making it appear as if the effective population size of the female lineage was larger than the male lineage.
I'm just pointing out the science and the various hypothesis held by modern scientists involved in serious inquiry on the origins of humanity here to show that 200,000 years ago is the outward boundary of modern science for the origins of humanity for all groups of evolutionists and progressive creationists (the only groups involved in serious science right now concerning the origins of humanity imo (young earth creationist pseudo-science I dismiss).
As for us coming from apes, I don't believe the evidence shows that to be true. But I respect many fine scientists that do assert that and hold to theistic evolution (such as Francis Collins the Director of the Human Genome Project) believing it is the best fit of the evidence.
To be sure, evolutionary biologists do not think humanity originated from one man and one woman (though progressive creationists and other young earth creationists do). Most of the evolutionary biologists maintain that large populations of either the hominid predecessors to modem humans or the first modem humans suffered a catastrophic collapse. When this occurred, scientists claim, genetic diversity was lost and the first humans went through a genetic bottleneck. After suffering the population collapse, the humans who supposedly endured the bottleneck are thought to have experienced rapid population growth and expansion to fill the planet. Some evolutionary biologists disagree with this (including many geneticists) believing that the evidence does not indicate a large population suffering a catastrophic collapse but rather a small original population. Those progressive creationists engaged in serious scientific inquiry believe this small original population can be explained back to an original pair.
However, I don't see any credible modern scientists these days defending the aging multi-regional hypothesis (most are opting out for the Out-of-Africa hypothesis with a splinter group of progressive creationists involved in serious research moving the location North) or any origin for modern humans studies suggesting a date greater than 200,000 years (the outward range of mitochondrial DNA testing [e.g. Mitochondrial Eve]) with most asserting approximately 170,000 years ago to 50,000 years ago.
Currently most evolutionary biologists theorize the reason for the large discrepancy between the dates for mitochondrial Eve (150,000 to 200,000 years ago) and "Y-chromosomal Adam" (40,000 to 60,000 years ago) can be explained because males living prior to-chromosomal Adam failed to pass along their genes and hence their genetic fingerprint.This lack of inheritance could occur if all their descendants had died out. As a lone survivor, Y-chromosomal Adam, born around 50,000 years ago, thus happened to have his genetic fingerprint take over the entire human population.
However, many prominent scientists disagree entirely with that theorization. For example, a recent study, reported in 2004 by molecular anthropologists from the University of Arizona, noted that the mitochondrial-DNA dates were consistently twice those measured using Y chromosomes for three population groups (Khoisan, Mongolians, and Papua New Guineans.) This constant difference goes beyond mere coincidence and reveals a pattern in the data.They also failed to detect any evidence in theychromosomal data for the so-called selective sweep that would have occurred if Y-chromosomal Adam were a lone survivor among many different males.
The researchers suggested that mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam lived at the same time and that the disparity in the mitochondrial and Y-chromosomai dates is not real. Rather this difference reflects a larger effective Population size for females than for males. This explanation makes sense for progressive creationists who hold to either a local Flood account (not a world-wide deluge), because a single Y-chromosome sequence would be represented by Noah and his sons. The wives of Noah and his sons would have had up to four different mitochondrial-DNA sequences, making it appear as if the effective population size of the female lineage was larger than the male lineage.
I'm just pointing out the science and the various hypothesis held by modern scientists involved in serious inquiry on the origins of humanity here to show that 200,000 years ago is the outward boundary of modern science for the origins of humanity for all groups of evolutionists and progressive creationists (the only groups involved in serious science right now concerning the origins of humanity imo (young earth creationist pseudo-science I dismiss).
As for us coming from apes, I don't believe the evidence shows that to be true. But I respect many fine scientists that do assert that and hold to theistic evolution (such as Francis Collins the Director of the Human Genome Project) believing it is the best fit of the evidence.
A Ghost wrote:I know we arent monkies, but we evolved from all that.$outhPhillypuppet wrote:he tellin the truth tho ghostA Ghost wrote:Shut yo monkey ass upNoog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
we were once monkeys but we evolved into a new species called humans.
like everything was once a single celled life form.
but thats the scientific way we got here.
theres also the god way that says we are all made of clay or mud.
Im not that familiar with the bible so im sorry if i got that wrong everybody.
MiChuhSuh wrote:On top of that, even if you believed in the "common descent" version of evolution, we are descended from "apes" not "monkeys"$outhPhillypuppet wrote:he tellin the truth tho ghostA Ghost wrote:Shut yo monkey ass upNoog wrote:Being serious, we are not monkeys, we are human beings. And we came from a lieage of human species which no longer exist for hundreds of thousands of years...and those species evolved, most likely, from apes.
we were once monkeys but we evolved into a new species called humans.
like everything was once a single celled life form.
but thats the scientific way we got here.
theres also the god way that says we are all made of clay or mud.
Im not that familiar with the bible so im sorry if i got that wrong everybody.
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Re: Humans are monkeys...
98% of the human genome and dna strand is shared with monkeys the other 2% is genetic evolution or other worldy input?
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but, saying we did evolve from monkeys or apes or what have you, it doesn't mean we're any better than them. if anything, they're probably better than us. their ways have been going strong for way longer than our human ways have, and from the looks of things these days it doesn't look like human ways they are today are going to be able to last.
but, saying we did evolve from monkeys or apes or what have you, it doesn't mean we're any better than them. if anything, they're probably better than us. their ways have been going strong for way longer than our human ways have, and from the looks of things these days it doesn't look like human ways they are today are going to be able to last.
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Re: Humans are monkeys...
Nothing else looks more similar to the human being than a monkey out of all the animals in the kindom of animalia:
Different species of monkey such as chimp, orangutan, ape and gorilla are just like different species of human being different races.
Different species of monkey such as chimp, orangutan, ape and gorilla are just like different species of human being different races.
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Re: Humans are monkeys...
I agree, lol
And no, the difference between the species of monkey is muuuuch bigger then the one between humans. As far as i know different mnokeys can not procreate.
And no, the difference between the species of monkey is muuuuch bigger then the one between humans. As far as i know different mnokeys can not procreate.
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Re: Humans are monkeys...
Chimps are Apes...