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browns saying nigga

Unread post by Anonymous20 » June 22nd, 2004, 5:35 pm

When i was coming up in the 1970 and 80s i never heard a Puerto Rican use the word nigga in regular speeech, nor did I hear Mexicans in LA saying nigga in the 1980s, but i would say in the early 1990s brown brothers say nigga, like they have been using it for decades.

I hear it nearly everyday from Mexicans in LA and the boricuas been doing that too. How do blacks feel about that, and why has the word become cross cultural?

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by ROLLIN' el Heavy » June 22nd, 2004, 6:05 pm

alonso wrote:When i was coming up in the 1970 and 80s i never heard a Puerto Rican use the word nigga in regular speeech, nor did I hear Mexicans in LA saying nigga in the 1980s, but i would say in the early 1990s brown brothers say nigga, like they have been using it for decades.

I hear it nearly everyday from Mexicans in LA and the boricuas been doing that too. How do blacks feel about that, and why has the word become cross cultural?
I personally don't be saying it. Through all the rap and oldies I listened to, I learned to appreciate the culture, not denigrate it. That's my 2 cents.

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Unread post by W/S » June 23rd, 2004, 12:43 am

frealz but i heard blacks say Mexicans fora long time like eazy-E
now like cypress hill be sayin nigga

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by GIBBY » June 24th, 2004, 12:19 pm

ROLLIN' el Heavy wrote:
alonso wrote:When i was coming up in the 1970 and 80s i never heard a Puerto Rican use the word nigga in regular speeech, nor did I hear Mexicans in LA saying nigga in the 1980s, but i would say in the early 1990s brown brothers say nigga, like they have been using it for decades.

I hear it nearly everyday from Mexicans in LA and the boricuas been doing that too. How do blacks feel about that, and why has the word become cross cultural?
I personally don't be saying it. Through all the rap and oldies I listened to, I learned to appreciate the culture, not denigrate it. That's my 2 cents.
Same here

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by Lonewolf » June 25th, 2004, 9:30 pm

alonso wrote:When i was coming up in the 1970 and 80s i never heard a Puerto Rican use the word nigga in regular speeech, nor did I hear Mexicans in LA saying nigga in the 1980s, but i would say in the early 1990s brown brothers say nigga, like they have been using it for decades.

I hear it nearly everyday from Mexicans in LA and the boricuas been doing that too. How do blacks feel about that, and why has the word become cross cultural?
I can only speak on my observation and perspective as to why the Brown Brothers be using the word nigga, (no dis' meant on my part), I beleive it to be in large part because more and more of our youngsters are less and less familiarized with our own slang. For instance I am very confortable with the spanish language of not only normal society but also the street lingo from both old and new Mejico, however my younger brother has real difficulties in communicating fluently in spanish, even though he's only 4 years younger than me, I noticed it also with other younger members of our family. It seems that if you affiliate youself too much with spanish speaking only people, wether in school or in the streets then you are looked down upon by even your own race which feels that you're not with the times and you must be some recent arrival, in putting this type of pressure on younger generations along with the mass media effort to integrate the whole nation and all the races, it is only natural that immitation of the english slang and dis' language would prevail over your native slang because it is understood by all and not just your own, but it also places you with the establishment and not the newbies. I hope that I was able to to explain myself on the subject.

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Unread post by jb7777 » August 17th, 2004, 9:05 pm

why do puerto ricans act like blacks as opposed to whites? Why do they get hair cuts like us and wear their clothes like us blacks. Mexicans dont do that they have their own identity for the most part.

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by NYorker » August 18th, 2004, 8:02 am

jb7777 wrote:why do puerto ricans act like blacks as opposed to whites? Why do they get hair cuts like us and wear their clothes like us blacks. Mexicans dont do that they have their own identity for the most part.
Maybe because many of those PR's KNOW that they have black blood in them and many Mexicans don't know that they may have african blood running through their veins as well!

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by BABY_LOCS » August 18th, 2004, 8:12 am

YEA I'VE NOTICED MORE P-RICANS SAYIN NIGGA THO...PERSONALLY, I DONT USE THAT BUT I SAY ESE,HOMES, SHIT LIKE THAT...AND YEA ITS TRUE THAT P-RICANS GOT **WAY** MORE AFRICAN BLOOD THEN US MEXICANS

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by TheReal » August 18th, 2004, 10:34 am

NYorker wrote:
jb7777 wrote:why do puerto ricans act like blacks as opposed to whites? Why do they get hair cuts like us and wear their clothes like us blacks. Mexicans dont do that they have their own identity for the most part.
Maybe because many of those PR's KNOW that they have black blood in them and many Mexicans don't know that they may have african blood running through their veins as well!
*I know...it would seem that folks would know this by now, and stop asking questions on why puerto ricans have residues of black flavor. It's like me asking: "Why do Dominicans look black and act black?" Let's give it a rest already.

Puerto Ricans aren't "acting" anything. If anything, they're being themselves...

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by 562_HOMIE » August 18th, 2004, 1:44 pm

I personally don't like the fact that for the majority u see puerto ricans been down w/ blacks, dressin like them, speakin like them, actin like them well the whole deal. Im not racist by far means, It just trips me out how alot of them are like that, with been down w/ blacks and then they hit the pinta and they stick by the mexicans because the blacks won't except them. Not just puertoricans I've seen plenty of chicanos. Personally on the word nigga I don't see any problem w/ brown, ricans, and asians usin them not to sure about white. I can see gga but not gger, I think by goin there your insultin someone race. Truth is most of la raza is fallin off there roots because theres no one to educate them on it. Theres very few veteranos to teach them our calo way of speakin. Thats how it use to be done older brothers and veteranos teachin la raza.

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by BABY_LOCS » August 18th, 2004, 1:46 pm

^simon. i've heard some older homies say that the p-ricans always try to roll with the chicanos inla pinta..thats some trippy shit homes

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:00 pm

562_HOMIE wrote:... Truth is most of la raza is fallin off there roots because theres no one to educate them on it. Theres very few veteranos to teach them our calo way of speakin. Thats how it use to be done older brothers and veteranos teachin la raza.
I put up a topic in the GANG QUESTIONS & INFORMATION HISPANIC L.A.COUNTY & SUREñOS about THE PACHUCO'S DIALECT "CALO", I put it up in order for Homies to refresh their memorias about "our street language", too many old ways being lost & forgotten in these "pop culture style of the day fast ways".

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by TheReal » August 18th, 2004, 2:39 pm

562_HOMIE wrote:I personally don't like the fact that for the majority u see puerto ricans been down w/ blacks, dressin like them, speakin like them, actin like them well the whole deal. Im not racist by far means, It just trips me out how alot of them are like that, with been down w/ blacks and then they hit the pinta and they stick by the mexicans because the blacks won't except them. Not just puertoricans I've seen plenty of chicanos. Personally on the word nigga I don't see any problem w/ brown, ricans, and asians usin them not to sure about white. I can see gga but not gger, I think by goin there your insultin someone race. Truth is most of la raza is fallin off there roots because theres no one to educate them on it. Theres very few veteranos to teach them our calo way of speakin. Thats how it use to be done older brothers and veteranos teachin la raza.
*In the pen, many puerto ricans roll with chicanos, not because blacks won't except them, rather because, mexicans are in the majority, and for survival, many of them will use the "latino/hispanic" paradigm, in order to get over...

As far as mexicans losing their roots:

Once mexicans decided to sport zoot suits, listen to and perform black music, amongst other things, I guess you can then solidly claim that they've lost their roots. You think that by speaking calo, it will turn everything around. Right now you're being selective in regards to what is proper in adopting from black culture, and what is not. At least that's what it appears to be!

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by Lonewolf » August 18th, 2004, 2:50 pm

Are you saying that Blacks have not borrowed and incorporated into their culture from others. I do beleive that "all races" borrow from each other but still keep it distinct from where they got it from as to not make it the same. Now you spoke about the Zoot Suit, you need to really go deep and find those real old turn of the century flicks and see them actors all zuit up - you need to remember that the Mexican film industry of old was highly respected world wide and was a transmitter of new world ideas and culture. Keep also in mind that spaniards gave us Hispanics - wether Mexican, Cubans, Dominicans, Colombians, or whathave you a language that bonds us together still to this day, we borrow from each other in music, speech, dress, foods, etc, but each one of us keeps its dictinct flavor and that is what makes it "beautiful" Homie.

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Unread post by TheReal » August 19th, 2004, 7:11 am

lonewolf wrote:Are you saying that Blacks have not borrowed and incorporated into their culture from others. I do beleive that "all races" borrow from each other but still keep it distinct from where they got it from as to not make it the same. Now you spoke about the Zoot Suit, you need to really go deep and find those real old turn of the century flicks and see them actors all zuit up - you need to remember that the Mexican film industry of old was highly respected world wide and was a transmitter of new world ideas and culture. Keep also in mind that spaniards gave us Hispanics - wether Mexican, Cubans, Dominicans, Colombians, or whathave you a language that bonds us together still to this day, we borrow from each other in music, speech, dress, foods, etc, but each one of us keeps its dictinct flavor and that is what makes it "beautiful" Homie.
*I never claimed that black folks never borrowed elements from other peoples, I've always admitted that! I'm just tired of folks always claiming that black folks steal other folks culture, like they dont-particularly mexicans. It's your people, who are always proclaiming amongst themselves, and to the world, as well as anyone that is willing to listen, that black people STEAL mexican culture, which is BS!!! Especially considering the plethora of black culture that mexicans have co-opted from black folks!!

And as far as zoot-suits, listen here man:

Do you really want to go there? Look, you're speaking to someone who is somewhat of an historian (at least by education), and it is an insult to suggest that I haven't thoroughly and carefully researched this topic, BECAUSE I HAVE!!! I'd be real happy to share my information with you, if you'd like.

Secondly, there are no turn of the century mexican films, whereby there are mexicans sporting zoot suits!!! Man come on with that, please!

And as far as cultural swapping amongst "latinos/hispanics"; well, that's good and all, as well as the bonds of speaking spanish, but I have noticed that latinos of the mestizo variety, especially mexicans, are cultural imperialists, and brown supremacists. I've heard plenty of your own mestizo brethren down puerto ricans, cubans to a great extent, as well as dominicans, not for acting black, BUT FOR HAVING AFRICAN BLOOD!

The nationalistic and racialists amongst you, DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE CONSIDERED "LATINO/HISPANIC", because to do so, they would have to associate with those latinos who are black, or of african descent, and you know this! Now I'm not saying that you're not sincere in your outreach, pan-latino overtures, HOWEVER, I do know that many of your own people (latinos of the mestizo variety) will give lip service to your other mulatto and black latino/hispanic brethren, when it's politically and socially expedient (it's all about the numbers game), only to turn around, when you are sure of your own mestizo numbers-AND CLAIM "RAZA" AND "BROWN" SOLELY FOR THOSE OF CHICANO/MEXICANO, OR MESTIZO DESCENT: FUCK THE BLACK AND MULATTO LATINOS/HISPANICS!!

I also find it hypocritical, and decisive, for your people to hate black folks in this country, and say that we have no worth, and that because we are of african descent, will never have any worth, yet will turn around and claim to have love for a black latino/hispanic, WHEN THEY ARE BOTH DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES, FROM AFRICA!! They come from the same source, in case folks don't know! And what makes it so hypocritical, is the fact that much of the culture that you mestizos "swap" with cubans, dominicans and puerto ricans, IS DERIVED FROM AFRICAN CULTURE-especially the music, and cultural nuances! Many of your people only will love and tolerate a latino/hispanic who's black and/or mulatto, only if they downplay their own african heritage, and fall under a politically concocted, watered down covering of latino/hispanic: WHICH CAN BE ANY OLD THING!

Other than that, I hear ya'! And I pray that your overtures are sincere instead of ladened with nefarious agendas...

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by E`S`T » August 19th, 2004, 8:28 am

I CANT SPEAK ON THE LOS ANGELES SCENE, BUT AS FAR AS THE HARBOR AREA GOES, I NEVER HEARD ANY MEXICAN USE THE TERM "NIGGA"..MAYBE CAUSE THEY DID NOT GROW UP AROUND BLACK DUDES. THERE WERE NEVER NO REAL BIG BLACK GANGS IN THE AREA BESIDES ECBC 190 AND THAT AREA ASIDE FROM VICTORIA PARK, IS PREDOMINATLY BLACK. I KNOW ALOT OF SOMOANS USED THAT TERM. PERSONALLY, I THINK ITS SILLY IF YOUR A NON BLACK TO USE THE TERM BECAUSE, IF U DO, PPL ARE GONNA CALL U "WIGGER" OR "MIGGER" OR "BLAXICAN". ALSO, IT'S A NON WIN SITUATION FOR SOME PPL. IF U SAY "NIGGA" THEN YOUR COOL, BUT IF U SAY "NIGGER" THEN YOUR RACIST. TO ME, THE ONLY PPL THAT SHOULD SAY THAT, IS BLACKS. TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION, RACISTS THOUGHTS, ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE BROUGHT ON AS A MIXED FEELING TYPE WORD, NON-BLACKS SHOULD KEEP THAT TERM OUT THEIR MOUTH. PLUS, IF U HIT THE PEN, SAYING THAT, WELL U COULD GET HURT. CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THIS, MEXICAN PETE FROM SANTANA BLOCC CC. SAD BUT TRUE REALITY ON THE INSIDE...

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Re: browns saying nigga

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NYorker wrote:
jb7777 wrote:why do puerto ricans act like blacks as opposed to whites? Why do they get hair cuts like us and wear their clothes like us blacks. Mexicans dont do that they have their own identity for the most part.
Maybe because many of those PR's KNOW that they have black blood in them and many Mexicans don't know that they may have african blood running through their veins as well!
TRU THAT, PR'S ARE MORE AFRICAN RELATED. I'M TOLD THAT MAH GREAT GREAT GRANDMA FROM LIKE 5, 6 GENERATIONS AGO WAS BLACK SO WHO KNOWS... BUT WHEN U HEAR A MEXICAN SAY NIGGA IT AIN'T NECESSARILY DISS, IT COULD BE TELLIN A MEXICAN HOMIE OF MINE "LET'S JAM, NIGGA" BUT NOT IN A RACIST WAY. 2PAC EXPLAINED IT BEST IN RESURRECTION. "NIGG-ERS ARE the ONES WITH ROPES AROUND THEIR NECKS. NIGG-AZ ARE the ONES WITH GOLD ROPES AROUND THEIR NECKS HANGIN OUT IN the CLUB". I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW U SAY IT. PERSONALLY, I WON'T SAY IT AROUND A BLACK BROTHA UNLESS HE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SOME DON'T TRIP BUT SOME DO GET AZZ HURT...

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Re: browns saying nigga

Unread post by Lonewolf » August 19th, 2004, 5:33 pm

It seems to me THE REAL that you're more interested in pumping up your own, and putting down someone else while you're at it. To me it goes both ways, a Mexican will never be fully accepted amongst the Blackman, and vise versa. Now if you're talking about Mexicans feeling superior to Blacks wether American or Hispanic Blackman, I truly beleive that you're mistaken in general, it is not a superiority issue, it is more a dislike for the non-similiarities (for lack of a better term) between mestizo-indian-hispanics & black-hispanics that is ingrained in us from old by the colonizers, in terms of dance, religion, language, and all sorts of other things our peoples are worlds apart no doubt about it, but that is not to say that us mexicans feel superior to the Blackman, we don't like a lot of your ways and sorry to say but some are detestable habits, disrespectable ways and so forth for us to comprehend, and the same may go the other way, I mean how many times people get insulted for us just speaking spanish and being told that this is the U.S. english only, some will feel unsecured in not understanding the language, but others would find it disrespectul and unconsiderate correct. More and more these days, the blender is being turned on, and ignorance is being tossed aside, so before you put fuel in the fire, take the time and understand the people or culture you're so quick in passing judgement - since you are a historian Homie.

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Unread post by LinozMami » August 29th, 2004, 1:30 am

I grew up up in Northern Cali and this is how I saw things. the mexicans who prided themself on being from the south NEVER even used black lingo, a few Northerners did, they were more inclined to kick it with blacks as well. The southerners put down the Northerners calling them wanna be black this and that.

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 9th, 2004, 6:21 pm

I DO NOT LIKE TO USE THAT WORD. ITS A SHAME THAT BROWN PEOPLE USE IT IN EVERYDAY LANGUAGE.

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » September 10th, 2004, 11:02 am

i dont think no1 shuld say it unless u black--

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 10th, 2004, 11:40 am

that's the most "niggerish" shyt i ever heard

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Unread post by CHRIS » September 10th, 2004, 6:15 pm

BrownAndProud wrote:that's the most "niggerish" shyt i ever heard
WHAT THE FUCC THAT S'POSED TO MEAN...SEEMS YOUR DAD S-DOPIE TAUGHT YOU A LOT

MEXICANS ARENT SUPPOSED TO CALL BLACC'S NIGGA OR NIGGER, WHETHER GOOD WAY OR BAD...WE DONT CALL THEM "HOMES" OR "ESE" OR "FOOL". THE WORD HOMIE IS GOOD ENOUGH

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 11th, 2004, 11:20 am

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT........EINSTEIN!...........YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COOL TO BE DEGRADED AND SPIT UPON BUT ONLY BY YOUR OWN RIGHT?..................IF NIGGER MEANS AN IGNORANT PERSON..........THEN I'M SORRY BUT SOME OF YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED IT..............................

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » September 11th, 2004, 11:29 am

oh
BrownAndProud wrote:that's the most "niggerish" shyt i ever heard
ur talkin about me?

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Unread post by CHRIS » September 11th, 2004, 12:50 pm

BrownAndProud wrote:SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT........EINSTEIN!...........YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COOL TO BE DEGRADED AND SPIT UPON BUT ONLY BY YOUR OWN RIGHT?..................IF NIGGER MEANS AN IGNORANT PERSON..........THEN I'M SORRY BUT SOME OF YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED IT..............................
ARE YOU OF HISPANIC ORIGIN? BECUZ IF YOU ARE YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE WORD NIGGA. WONT YOU STOP TYPIN THIS AND ASK A BLACC GUY ABOUT YOU USING IT FAG. YOU GUYS SIMPLY CANT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARENT WELCOME TO USE THE WORD NIGGA TOWARDS A BLACC GUY, ORCHATA!

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » September 11th, 2004, 12:52 pm

^lmao i kuldnt say it better

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Unread post by RuthlessCray » September 11th, 2004, 1:50 pm

CHRIS wrote:
BrownAndProud wrote:SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT........EINSTEIN!...........YOU'RE SAYING IT'S COOL TO BE DEGRADED AND SPIT UPON BUT ONLY BY YOUR OWN RIGHT?..................IF NIGGER MEANS AN IGNORANT PERSON..........THEN I'M SORRY BUT SOME OF YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED IT..............................
ARE YOU OF HISPANIC ORIGIN? BECUZ IF YOU ARE YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE WORD NIGGA. WONT YOU STOP TYPIN THIS AND ASK A black GUY ABOUT YOU USING IT FAG. YOU GUYS SIMPLY CANT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARENT WELCOME TO USE THE WORD NIGGA TOWARDS A black GUY, ORCHATA!
dont make it a black vs. brown thing.. im brown and proud but i dont have a problem with blacks saying what they want

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Unread post by CHRIS » September 11th, 2004, 3:12 pm

DONT TRIP CUZZ IT AINT EVEN LIKE THAT I AINT NOWHERE ON S-DOOBIES LEVEL OF CHARACTER. IM JUST SAYIN OL BOY NEED TO WATCH HIS MOUTH. ORCHATA IS A MEXICAN FOOD NOT A DISS HOMIE

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 11th, 2004, 4:39 pm

NIGGERS

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 11th, 2004, 4:40 pm

NIGGAS

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » September 11th, 2004, 4:40 pm

NIGGAZ

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