ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 15th, 2004, 12:09 am

Most monotheisitic religions are against idolitry of all kinds, but many of these false religions show their true colors when they bring out idols, bow to them, pray to them, etc.

The cross dont represent Christianity, but how many crosses have you seen posted on churches. How many Catholics pray with their cross in their hand or wear a pendant. It is a form of idoltry. I was born into a Catholic family so I seen this my entire life.

But my question here is, who knows the history of the crescent moon being used as a symbol of Islam??????? anybody?

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Unread post by Kemosave » July 15th, 2004, 11:32 am

Don't even get me started..

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Unread post by ALGERIAN souljah » July 16th, 2004, 5:46 am

First off all you belive know about Islam in america is false.

Islam is a religion who claim peace, tolerance, solidarity. Terrorists are not muslim because they use violence and no respect people..
Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth.
But when you see the politic of american government in the world you can see why because there are terrorist , the both understand nothing.
I'm very happy to see brothers like D.X, he understand the truth.
Just read the Coran and you will see what is real Islam!!! Not the CNN Islam who show us muslims like potentials terrorists!!
Islam have a universal message for blacks , latinos, asians,white, Navajos...
I wish you 'll just understand real Islam, for start a better life in the world..
We must respect each other like Islam message said..

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 16th, 2004, 6:27 am

ALGERIAN souljah wrote:First off all you belive know about Islam in america is false.

Islam is a religion who claim peace, tolerance, solidarity. Terrorists are not muslim because they use violence and no respect people..
Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth.
But when you see the politic of american government in the world you can see why because there are terrorist , the both understand nothing.
I'm very happy to see brothers like D.X, he understand the truth.
Just read the Coran and you will see what is real Islam!!! Not the CNN Islam who show us muslims like potentials terrorists!!
Islam have a universal message for blacks , latinos, asians,white, Navajos...
I wish you 'll just understand real Islam, for start a better life in the world..
We must respect each other like Islam message said..
the message for most religions is peace and love, but the conversations are about what is realy done, actions, examples, We know the mission statements of religions from all over the world, but what are the religious leaders doing and how are they teaching future generations?

The Torah is in the bible, so when you say the Torah and the Bible it is redundant. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, Genesis, Leviticus, Numbers, Exodus, and Duetoronomy. ALso the Koran and the Torah disagree on several points. For example the Torah outline marriage, which is to be a union between one man and one women, monogamy. The Koran allows for those than can financially afford it for men to take up to 4 wives. The Bible does not provide for that option, and when people did do that, it was considered a violation of biblical principle.

Also the scriptures allow for the consumption of alcohol so long as it is not abuse, in the Koran, they do not allow for the drinking of alcoholic beverages. In sura (Koran 5:90) my Koran says, strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only infamy of Satan's handiwork. but in Sura 47:15, is says "those that keep their duty to Allah are promised rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers"


For those that are interested here is the demographics of Muslims in the US
African American = 30% (they are 12% of the US population)
Arabs = 25%
Pakistani = 9.7%
Bangladeshi = 6.9%
Afghanistan = 5.8 %
Sub-Saharan Africa = 3.4 %
White American = 1.6 %
Southeast Asian (Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) = 1.3%
Carribean = 1.2 %
Turkish = 1.1%
Iranian (Persian) = 0.7%
Hispanic = 0.6%

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Unread post by 'X' » July 16th, 2004, 9:36 am

IT REALLY AMAZES ME HOW MANY UNDERCOVER HATERS THERE ARE OF ISLAM ON THIS SITE... EVERYTIME THERE IS A POSITIVE STATEMENT ABOUT THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION(SO-CALLED) IN AMERICA, HERE COMES A NEGATIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT. AND THE DISAPPOINTING PART IS THAT IT COMES MOSTLY FROM OUR(BLACK AND BROWN) BROTHERS. WE IN THE NOI ARE FOR FREEDOM, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY BROTHERS!!!! WHO DOESN'T WANT THIS FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR CHILDREN??? BROTHERS WAKE UP AND LEARN YOUR ORIGINAL FAITH AND THAT IS "OBEDIANCE TO DO THE WILL OF ALLAH(GOD), THAT'S ALL !!! THIS IS OUR GOAL AND MISSION, GET ALL OUT OF SPACE AND THINKING ON THINGS YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF. STUDY!!!! STUDY!!! STUDY!!!

I TRIP OFF OF THESE THAT SO-CALL AS YA'LL SAY "SUPPORT" THE NOI POLITICAL VIEWS, BUT DISAGREE WITH EVERTHING ELSE, BROTHERS YOU ALL KNOW NOBODY ELSE IS FOR THE UPLIFTMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE, AND YOU ALL WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING, I CAN SEE IT HAS STARTED ALREADY. ONE LOVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. LETS KEEP IT MOVIN ON SOLUTIONS, WHY ARE WE STILL SPEAKING ON WHAT'S NOT ISLAM, LOOK WHO STARTED THIS THREAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!! SOLUTIONS, SOLUTIONS, SOLUTIONS!!!!

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Unread post by 'X' » July 16th, 2004, 10:24 am

alonso wrote:
ALGERIAN souljah wrote:First off all you belive know about Islam in america is false.

Islam is a religion who claim peace, tolerance, solidarity. Terrorists are not muslim because they use violence and no respect people..
Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth.
But when you see the politic of american government in the world you can see why because there are terrorist , the both understand nothing.
I'm very happy to see brothers like D.X, he understand the truth.
Just read the Coran and you will see what is real Islam!!! Not the CNN Islam who show us muslims like potentials terrorists!!
Islam have a universal message for blacks , latinos, asians,white, Navajos...
I wish you 'll just understand real Islam, for start a better life in the world..
We must respect each other like Islam message said..
the message for most religions is peace and love, but the conversations are about what is realy done, actions, examples, We know the mission statements of religions from all over the world, but what are the religious leaders doing and how are they teaching future generations?

The Torah is in the bible, so when you say the Torah and the Bible it is redundant. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, Genesis, Leviticus, Numbers, Exodus, and Duetoronomy. ALso the Koran and the Torah disagree on several points. For example the Torah outline marriage, which is to be a union between one man and one women, monogamy. The Koran allows for those than can financially afford it for men to take up to 4 wives. The Bible does not provide for that option, and when people did do that, it was considered a violation of biblical principle.

Also the scriptures allow for the consumption of alcohol so long as it is not abuse, in the Koran, they do not allow for the drinking of alcoholic beverages. In sura (Koran 5:90) my Koran says, strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only infamy of Satan's handiwork. but in Sura 47:15, is says "those that keep their duty to Allah are promised rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers"


For those that are interested here is the demographics of Muslims in the US
African American = 30% (they are 12% of the US population)
Arabs = 25%
Pakistani = 9.7%
Bangladeshi = 6.9%
Afghanistan = 5.8 %
Sub-Saharan Africa = 3.4 %
White American = 1.6 %
Southeast Asian (Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) = 1.3%
Carribean = 1.2 %
Turkish = 1.1%
Iranian (Persian) = 0.7%
Hispanic = 0.6%


^^^^Here is someone speaking on surah's in the Holy Quran and giving his interpretations of our Holy Book. May I humbly ask who taught you you your understanding of the Quran. I'm reading your interpretations and I am baffled at your understandings. Brother, this is exactly how propaganda gets out and causes those to whom may be showing interest in Islam to be confused or get the wrong idea of Islam. WHO taught you what you are saying here??? To those who may have interest in Islam or the NOI's belief or the understanding of the Quran, go to your nearest mosque in your city(they are all over) and ask questions, or pm me and I will do my best to answer your questions, and if I can't I can absolutly introduce you to someone who can answer all your questions.

I'M REALLY LOOKING AT MOTIVES ON HERE!!! BELIEVE ME I UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WAS BUILDING ON THE CONDITION OF OUR PEOPLE, THAN NOW WE STUCK ON TRYING TO PROVE ISLAM IS FALSE. I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT NONE OF YOUR PREACHERS, DEACONS, IMAMS, PRIEST OR WHATEVER HAS DEFEATED OUR LEADER THE HONORABLE LOUIS FARRAKAHN, WHAT MAKE "YOU ALL" ON HERE THINK YOU CAN PROVE OUR TEACHINGS OR HOLY BOOK WRONG!!!! CAN WE STOP THE REIGIOUS BANGIN AND KEEP SPEAKING ON DEMISE AND SOME SOLUTIONS. I SURELY NEED HELP, AND I'M TRYING TO NETWORK WITH THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN POSITIVE THINGS. STOP PROTECTING THIS ENEMY'S GOVERNMENT, RELIGION, ETC..ETC.. DO "FIRST", AS THE MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHHAMAD TEACHES US, "ACCEPT YOUR OWN AND BE YOURSELF"


STOP THE PROPAGANDA!!!! OUR BABIES ARE DYING FOR THIS????



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Unread post by Kemosave » July 16th, 2004, 11:41 am

I understand your position (but do not agree with it). You follow a false religious system (a cult of Islam if you will) and have a lot of preconceived ideas about the history and the world that are inaccurate. Panic has graciously taken the time to point many out to you but you simply called him a Devil (note NOI's theology that all white people are demons) for sharing historical truths with you. This is what NOI really believes forum members which should help explain why their members here say the sorts of things that they do. Have a nice day:

The Nation of Islam (NOI)
By Cky J. Carrigan, Ph.D. (11-02)

I. Nation of Islam AT-A-Glance

A. Established in Detroit (1930) by W.D. Fard.
B. Synthesis of four movements: Black Nationalism, Black Freemasonry, Islam & Christianity.
C. Key Leaders: W.D. Fard, Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, W. Deen
Mohammed and Louis Farrakhan.
D. Key beliefs

1. W.D. Fard is Allah (God) in the flesh.
2. Elijah Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (Fard).
3. All Blacks are divine and will ascend to worldwide political supremacy.
4. All Whites are demons and will descend from political supremacy and be destroyed.

E. Membership: 20,000-50,000 in the U.S., and less than 100,000 worldwide. The influence of NOI among blacks is far greater than its membership. In 1995, hundreds of thousands of black men gathered with NOI’s leader, Louis Farrakhan, for the “Million-Man-March” in Washington, DC.

II. Historical Development

A. The NOI began in the context of Black Nationalism during the early twentieth century (1913-1929).
B. Black Nationalism arose in the context of political, religious and cultural oppression of blacks by whites (slavery and post-slavery conduct).
C. Two key political and religious forerunners of the NOI were Marcus Garvey (mainly political) and Noble Drew Ali (mainly religious).

1. Marcus Garvey (Universal Negro Improvement Assoc., est. 1914).
a. Directly influenced W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad, and Garvey’s writings indirectly influenced Malcolm X.
b. Promoted independent black commerce and industry, and the emigration of all blacks to Africa.
c. Taught that whites were an inferior race and that God was black.
d. UNIA grew to become the largest black social movement in American history with six million dues paying members in US.
e. Garvey was jailed in 1922 for mail fraud and deported to Jamaica.

2. Noble Drew Ali (Moorish Science Temple, est. 1913)
a. MST is synthesis of black nationalism, fringe Islam (including Sufi-Islam), Freemasonry, and Gnosticism.
b. Christianity is the white religion and Islam is the black religion.
c. Whites are the embodiment of evil—Satan.
d. All blacks and olive skinned people are “Asiatics” descended from the Moabites (the original race).
e. Islam’s prophet, Muhammad, was the reincarnation of Jesus.
f. Ali was the third reincarnation of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.
g. Ali’s died in 1929.

3. Garvey’s imprisonment and deportation in 1922, and Ali’s death in 1929 left a vacuum of leadership in the black nationalism movement (Enter W.D. Fard).

D. NOI founded by W.D. Fard (1930).

1. W.D. Fard -- aka Wallace D. Fard, Farrad Mohammad, F. Mohammad Ali, Professor Ford, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Wali Farrad.
2. Fard’s fingerprints and photographs match those of convicted felon and drug user Wallie D. Ford born in Portland, Oregon on February 25, 1891, the son of Hawaiian immigrants.
3. Fard and the NOI claim that Fard is NOT Wallie D. Ford, from Portland, Oregon.
4. Fard and the NOI claim the Fard was born in Mecca, the son of a black father and white mother.
5. Fard was heavily influenced by the black nationalism of both Garvey and Ali and may have even been a member of Ali’s Moorish Science Temple.
6. Fard arrived in Detroit on July 4, 1930 as a silk and raincoat salesman with a vision for leading the black nationalism movement.
7. From the summer of 1930 to the summer of 1933, Fard gathered eight thousand members of the NOI.
8. After several arrests, Fard was ordered by police to leave Detroit in May 1933. He left Detroit for Chicago, then “disappeared.” Fard never made another public appearance after the summer of 1933.
9. The NOI believes he is still alive, living in concealment, waiting for the appointed time to “re-appear.”
10. Fard led the NOI through his appointed Messenger--Elijah Muhammad.

E. Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975)

1. Born 1897 in Georgia as Elijah Poole to Mariah and William Poole, a
Baptist minister.
2. Moved from Georgia to Detroit in 1923 and joined Garvey’s UNIA and Prince Hall Masonic Lodge (Black Freemasonry).
3. Rejected Christianity because it supported slavery and oppression.
4. Met Fard in 1931 and became the “Messenger of Allah (Fard)” shortly thereafter.
5. Claimed that he spoke with Fard-Allah regularly.
6. Led NOI from 1933 (Fard’s disappearance) to his death in 1975.

F. Malcolm X (1925-1965)

1. Born 1925 in Nebraska as Malcolm Little to Louise and Earl Little, a Baptist preacher.
2. Father died, Malcolm housed in foster-care, became a criminal.
3. Imprisoned for burglary from 1946-1952. Introduced to NOI teachings while in prison.
4. Met Elijah Muhammad and joined NOI in 1952.
5. Became NOI minister in 1954.
6. Went on Middle East tour of Muslim world in 1959 where he discovered the legal enslavement of Africans by Muslim Saudis, the lack of racial prejudice in Middle Eastern Islam, and the failure to recognize W.D. Fard as Allah.
7. Became NOI’s premier apologist for NOI against Muslim and Christian critics.
8. Became disillusioned with Elijah Muhammad for moral reasons and was suspended from the NOI by Elijah in 1963.
9. Made the pilgrimage to Mecca for the Hajj in 1964 and became a Sunni Muslim, rejecting Elijah Muhammad and the racist teachings of NOI.
10. Founded the Organization for Afro-American Unity (OAAU) in 1964.
11. Murdered in 1965 by three NOI members.

G. W. Deen Mohammed (aka Warith D. Muhammad) (1933—present).

1. Seventh son of Elijah Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (W.D. Fard).
2. While imprisoned for draft evasion for eighteen months in 1961-62, he studied traditional Islam and became convinced that his father (Elijah Muhammad) was wrong and W.D. Fard was a fraud.
3. He was influenced by the teachings of Malcolm X who had become a critic of Elijah Muhammad and NOI teachings by then.
4. His beliefs resulted in a series of suspensions and reinstatements by his father, but he was reinstated before his father died.
5. Became NOI leader upon Elijah’s death in 1975.
6. Changed several fundamental NOI doctrines and merged with traditional Islam.
a. W.D. Fard not Allah.
b. Elijah Muhammad not the Messenger of Allah.
c. Blacks not superior to whites.

7. Renamed NOI to the “World Community of Islam in the West” (WCIW).

The Islamic group now associated with Imam W. Deen Mohammed is called the American Muslim Mission.

8. Louis Farrakhan objected to W. Deen Mohammed’s innovations, split with the WCIW, and reinstituted the NOI in 1978.

H. Louis Farrakhan (1933 – present)

1. Born 1933 in Massachusetts as Louis Walcott to Mae Clark and a man Louis never knew. Mae Clark was West Indian and Louis’ father may have been a white man.
2. Raised in an Episcopalian Christian context.
3. Became a Garveyite (UNIA).
4. Heard Elijah Muhammad speak in 1955, and he became a member of the NOI Temple in New York that same year due to the influence of Malcolm X.
5. Malcolm X taught and mentored Farrakhan for two years until Farrakhan was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the Boston Temple in 1957.
6. He was a strong defender of Elijah Muhammad against the criticisms of Malcolm X and W. Deen Mohammed.
7. In 1965, he was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the New York Temple #7 after Malcolm X’s assassination.
8. In 1967, Elijah Muhammad made him the national spokesman for the NOI.
9. He reinstituted the NOI in 1978 after W. Deen Mohammed had taken Elijah Muhammad’s group into traditional Islam.
10. There is some evidence that suggests that Farrakhan may be moving away from Fardian Islam and moving toward traditional Islam, but recent statements by Farrakhan indicate that he is still loyal to Fardian Islam (ie. Fard is Allah and Elijah Muhammad is his messenger).

I. NOI Divisions
1. John Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad’s brother, claims that he is the
legitimate leader of Fard’s NOI and Fard continues to speak through him.
2. Silas Muhammad formed the Lost-Found Nation of Islam in Atlanta when Elijah Muhammad died.
3. Hanafi Muslims follow Sunni Islam and broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive.
4. Clarence 13X broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive and called his group “The Five Percenters.”
5. Solomon founded the United Nation of Islam and teaches that he himself is Allah in the flesh in the same way that Fard was Allah in the flesh.

J. Summary of the development of the Nation of Islam

1. In 1930, W.D. Fard founded the NOI and led it till 1933.
2. In 1933, Elijah Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah (Fard) and led the NOI from 1933 to his death in 1975.
3. W. Deen Mohammed became the leader of the NOI upon the death of Elijah Muhammad in 1975. He renamed the NOI the WCIW and rejected Fardian Islam so as to conform with traditional Islam. W. Deen Mohammed’s group is now called the American Muslim Mission.
4. In 1978, Louis Farrakhan reinstituted Fardian NOI.

III. NOI Doctrine

A. Revelation and Authority

1. The Bible is a poisoned and corrupt book that is only true when interpreted properly by W.D. Fard or Elijah Muhammad. The white-Christian interpretation of the Bible is false.
2. The Qur’an is a holy and pure book that comes directly from God.
3. Revelation continues with the teachings of W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. The Bible and even the Qur’an are secondary next to the current teachings of W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad.
4. A new holy book will be revealed in the future. This “Last Book” will be written by W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. This new book will be the Muslim guide to life in the next dispensation of black reign.

B. God(s)

1. Finite Monotheism: There is only one God at a time, and he is finite.
2. God is finite (human) and black.
3. The first God was a man—the original black man, who created himself out of total darkness. Thus God will always be, both man and black.
4. There has been a succession of Gods who live about two hundred years each. W.D. Fard is the latest in a string of Gods and therefore the Supreme God.
5. The black race is also God collectively.

C. The Divine Nature of the Black Race

1. The black race is descended from the original race of mankind called the Shabazz people, who are descended from God himself.
2. Since God is black, blackness is divine.

D. The Demonic Nature of the White Race

1. Six thousand years ago, an evil scientist named Yakub purposely bred a white race of liars and murderers for evil purposes. Yakub manipulated the gene pool for hundreds of years and murdered dark infants until he created a lying murdering white-skinned and blue-eyed people.
2. Yakub’s breeding scheme not only produced physical features of white skin and blue eyes, it also produced an evil race of demons who would oppress original black man for a time.
3. For two thousand years, white demons lived as cavemen in Europe until Moses (a black man) brought them back to civilization where Allah has allowed them to rule over creation for four thousand years.
4. Christianity is the white devil’s religion and therefore must be as evil as he is. Every black man who is a Christian has been deceived by the white devil.
5. Black men with white (European) names should change them to a Muslim name as a sign of unyoking themselves from the white demon deception.

E. Salvation

1. There is no resurrection of the dead, only a waking-up to Fardian Islam.
2. There is no eternal life for the just. (Nobody lives forever, not even God.)
3. Salvation is inward moral righteousness and separation from the demonic white man and his corrupt ways.
4. Salvation is the recognition of black divinity, and deliverance from the oppression of the evil white man.

F. Armageddon

1. Armageddon is the final battle (jihad) between the righteous and the unrighteous, between Fardian Islam (righteous) and Christianity (unrighteous).
2. In the end, W.D. Fard (Allah) will reappear from his present concealment and lead a jihad against the white devils.
3. While the original black nation has been “asleep,” Allah (Fard) has been preparing for the great jihad.
4. Allah has been building the “Mother Plane” (Ezekiel’s wheel within a wheel). The Mother Plane is a war machine composed of 1500 flying bombers located inside a base ship that travels faster than the eye can see.
5. The “Mother Plane” will appear soon to annihilate the entire white
race and black Christians (apostates called “Uncle Toms”) in America and England.
6. Blacks will be delivered from the destruction of the Mother Plane if they follow instructions about how to flee to safety when the Mother Plane appears.

G. The Nation of Islam and Traditional Islam: According to traditional Islamic scholars and Imams, the doctrines of the NOI stated above put the NOI outside the scope of traditional Islam.

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Unread post by el tio » July 16th, 2004, 12:42 pm

ALGERIAN souljah wrote:First off all you belive know about Islam in america is false.

Islam is a religion who claim peace, tolerance, solidarity. Terrorists are not muslim because they use violence and no respect people..
Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth...
LMAO!!! That's just like when CAPO, NYORKER, DX, PANIK, AND THE REST OF THEM call me a fake Mexican because I am a republican. They think "true" Mexicans need to have bald heads, live in the ghetto, have bad jobs, talk with an accent, have no white friends, and ALL BE DEMOCRATS. LMAO!!!

Being a true Mexican in none of that. But they don't know because they've been raised by the George Lopez's of life. Just like you know that being a true Islamist is something different, I know being a true Mexican is something different. A true Mexican knows the language, has traveled througout the country, understands the rich history (good and bad), can explain different aspects of the vast culture, can talk about the pyramids in the south, the history of the ports in the west, the importance of the sierra madre in the interior, and how corruption has enslaved a country who is in rich in resources and should be an equal partner with the US.

but f'that ey' i don no shyt ey' cuz i jus a faker Mexican who don no shit eyyyyy.

What a waste of a generation.
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Unread post by 'X' » July 16th, 2004, 12:42 pm

^^^^ NOTICE TO EVERYONE WHO READ THIS>>(kemosave)
THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NOI BELIEVES, FARDIAN??? WHAT IS THAT??? THIS INSANE!!! A MODERATOR NEEDS TO BE ON HERE TO CATCH THIS PROPAGANDA!!!! AS I SAY PM ME IF YOU WANT THE REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE NOI. WHICH IS PURE ISLAM, NOT NONE OF THESE MAN MADE SECTS THAT THE PROPHET NEVER CLAIMED TO BE. HE WAS A MUSLIM ONLY!!!!


WHO IS CKY J. CARRIGAN??? RESEARCH THE AUTHOR!!!! WHO IS THIS PERSON WHO FEELS HE OR SHE CAN COMMENT ON THE NOI??? AS I SAID AND WILL NOT SAY AGAIN FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING BACK TO THE TOPIC OF SOLVING OUR MENTAL DEATHS AND OUR DESRTUCTION AND OUR RESURECTION, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW FACTS ABOUT THE NOI
GO TO finalcall.com!!!!

^^SOMEONE AGAIN STATING SO-CALLED FACTS(FROM SOMEONE ELSE) AND STILL NOT PRESENTING RILIABLE PROOF OF THEIR REMARKS!!! STOP THER PROPAGANDA!!!!


OUR BABIES ARE DYING, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT??? STOP FOCUSING SO MUCH ON PROVING OUR TRUE TEACHINGS TO BE WRONG AND LET'S TRY TO SAVE OUR SHORTIES!!!!


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Unread post by Kemosave » July 16th, 2004, 1:07 pm

He's a PHD Doctorate who earned it the old fashioned way through much hard work and endless years of study. There are countless scholars and articles in respected journals that say the exact same thing. Like Panik said if you start reading more you will find it is all true. But if you just blindly follow whatever the NOI puts out and refuse to read anything else then you get ignorance.

Here's a few links that a simple minute search produced and you can take them for whatever you think they are worth. They are sites whose info comes from a variety of secular and religious organizations and I haven't read nor qualified any of them. Just showing there's a lot of uniformity to them. The important thing is hopefully you will come to the realization you have been duped.

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/noi.html
http://www.dcwatch.com/gary/gri9709.htm
http://www.soundbiblicaldoctrine.com/sbd1_00000d.htm
http://www.humboldt.edu/~go1/hist111/civilrights.html
http://foia.fbi.gov/fard/fard1.pdf
http://www.namb.net/root/resources/beli ... /islam.asp

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 17th, 2004, 2:55 am

D.X wrote:
alonso wrote:
ALGERIAN souljah wrote:First off all you belive know about Islam in america is false.

Islam is a religion who claim peace, tolerance, solidarity. Terrorists are not muslim because they use violence and no respect people..
Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth.
But when you see the politic of american government in the world you can see why because there are terrorist , the both understand nothing.
I'm very happy to see brothers like D.X, he understand the truth.
Just read the Coran and you will see what is real Islam!!! Not the CNN Islam who show us muslims like potentials terrorists!!
Islam have a universal message for blacks , latinos, asians,white, Navajos...
I wish you 'll just understand real Islam, for start a better life in the world..
We must respect each other like Islam message said..
the message for most religions is peace and love, but the conversations are about what is realy done, actions, examples, We know the mission statements of religions from all over the world, but what are the religious leaders doing and how are they teaching future generations?

The Torah is in the bible, so when you say the Torah and the Bible it is redundant. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, Genesis, Leviticus, Numbers, Exodus, and Duetoronomy. ALso the Koran and the Torah disagree on several points. For example the Torah outline marriage, which is to be a union between one man and one women, monogamy. The Koran allows for those than can financially afford it for men to take up to 4 wives. The Bible does not provide for that option, and when people did do that, it was considered a violation of biblical principle.

Also the scriptures allow for the consumption of alcohol so long as it is not abuse, in the Koran, they do not allow for the drinking of alcoholic beverages. In sura (Koran 5:90) my Koran says, strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only infamy of Satan's handiwork. but in Sura 47:15, is says "those that keep their duty to Allah are promised rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers"


For those that are interested here is the demographics of Muslims in the US
African American = 30% (they are 12% of the US population)
Arabs = 25%
Pakistani = 9.7%
Bangladeshi = 6.9%
Afghanistan = 5.8 %
Sub-Saharan Africa = 3.4 %
White American = 1.6 %
Southeast Asian (Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) = 1.3%
Carribean = 1.2 %
Turkish = 1.1%
Iranian (Persian) = 0.7%
Hispanic = 0.6%


^^^^Here is someone speaking on surah's in the Holy Quran and giving his interpretations of our Holy Book. May I humbly ask who taught you you your understanding of the Quran. I'm reading your interpretations and I am baffled at your understandings. Brother, this is exactly how propaganda gets out and causes those to whom may be showing interest in Islam to be confused or get the wrong idea of Islam. WHO taught you what you are saying here??? To those who may have interest in Islam or the NOI's belief or the understanding of the Quran, go to your nearest mosque in your city(they are all over) and ask questions, or pm me and I will do my best to answer your questions, and if I can't I can absolutly introduce you to someone who can answer all your questions.

I'M REALLY LOOKING AT MOTIVES ON HERE!!! BELIEVE ME I UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WAS BUILDING ON THE CONDITION OF OUR PEOPLE, THAN NOW WE STUCK ON TRYING TO PROVE ISLAM IS FALSE. I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT NONE OF YOUR PREACHERS, DEACONS, IMAMS, PRIEST OR WHATEVER HAS DEFEATED OUR LEADER THE HONORABLE LOUIS FARRAKAHN, WHAT MAKE "YOU ALL" ON HERE THINK YOU CAN PROVE OUR TEACHINGS OR HOLY BOOK WRONG!!!! CAN WE STOP THE REIGIOUS BANGIN AND KEEP SPEAKING ON DEMISE AND SOME SOLUTIONS. I SURELY NEED HELP, AND I'M TRYING TO NETWORK WITH THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN POSITIVE THINGS. STOP PROTECTING THIS ENEMY'S GOVERNMENT, RELIGION, ETC..ETC.. DO "FIRST", AS THE MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHHAMAD TEACHES US, "ACCEPT YOUR OWN AND BE YOURSELF"


STOP THE PROPAGANDA!!!! OUR BABIES ARE DYING FOR THIS????



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My only point DX is that the Scripture and the Koran deviate on so many principles. I think Algerian stated "Islam is just the confirmation of the Torah and the Bible, the show us the truth". But there are countless points where the Scripture and Koran take opposite positions... with marriage, alcohol, retribution or punishment, the role of Jesus (in Bible he is son of God and in Koran he is Isa the prophet), who is the Messiah, positions on War, and so many others, so how can the Koran be a confirmation of the Bible, when the Bible is telling us things completely different frm the Koran.

I am not here to interpret the Koran, just here to indicate that the Koran and Bible just dont agree and critical topics. In my view the Scriptures are the word of God, it is accurate on history, science, phrophesy, archeology, geneology, etc.

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Re: ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM

Unread post by G bka C.rum » July 17th, 2004, 7:12 am

^^^ Exactly What Alonso said the bible is the word of God. It links up Prophetically, historically and spiritually. But a minor correction Alonso the bible doesnt condemn a man having more then one wife this modern false christianity does. Ex.21;10-11 tell you a man can have more than one wife if he can keep up his duties with the 1st one, David and Solomon had many wives as well as many other men of the bible. It only specifically says a man is to have one wife if your seeking the office a bishop or a deacon which we know are high positions in the church 1st Tim.3;2, 3;12 so if God says a Bishop should have a wife a question to ask ourselves is why is the satanic Catholic church saying the Priests and Bishops cant marry? But my point is the bible never condemned polygamy, eventhough we know in this time and age it would be difficult to do so because man has once again changed Gods word

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Re: ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM

Unread post by Vincetheprince » July 6th, 2008, 3:05 am

Islam doesn't change God's words,Islam is the ultimate religion

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