Setting The Record Staight on Race

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Unread post by NYorker » July 14th, 2004, 9:09 am

I have seen a lot of BS posted regarding the superiority of one race over the others. Many white nationalists and black nationalists make huge claims of the origins and acheivements of their races.
Here's 1 myth:
The original egyptians were white aryans. What a F&ckin joke!!! Show me the pictures to back up your claim! Most likely you will show a photo LATER in egyptian history when the Greeks took over! If you show older ones I would be impressed. But I bet those people in those pictures would not be allowed to ride in the "white car" in prison! Here's my proof WITH photos.
http://community-2.webtv.net/BARNUBIANE ... OPLEBLACK/

Myth 2: Greeks were a white aryan civilization. Go to Stormfront.com and do a search on what they think about Greeks.
http://www.white-history.com/greece_negroes.htm

Myth 3: The Etruscans were white
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/history.html
Would these people be allowed into the "white car"? Or part of the WN movement?

I am not a BN or WN I am searching for the truth. The truth to me is that many or most of the people in this world are of mixed race ancestry. Probably many people in the WN movement have african blood and genes running in their veins!!! This is the ironic part.
http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/BlackDutch.htm

Here are some more links here for food for thought if you dare try to learn the truth and do some research yourselves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... et/famous/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ngton.html
http://www.nathanielturner.com/livesand ... droons.htm
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... 8%26sa%3DN

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... amily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... edici.html
http://www.saxakali.com/Saxakali-Public ... noko12.htm

http://my.cybersoup.com/africanchurch/digest.html

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/british.html

http://grassroots.brunnet.net/fundyhs/a ... uzi%20(god).htm

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pharaoh.htm

I did not take sources from just a pro-black website or information , I have taken sources from pro-white ones as well as neutral ones. I challenge anyone to challenge me or the information I have cited.

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Unread post by mike89 » July 14th, 2004, 11:33 am

NYorker wrote:I have seen a lot of BS posted regarding the superiority of one race over the others. Many white nationalists and black nationalists make huge claims of the origins and acheivements of their races.
Here's 1 myth:
The original egyptians were white aryans. What a F&ckin joke!!! Show me the pictures to back up your claim! Most likely you will show a photo LATER in egyptian history when the Greeks took over! If you show older ones I would be impressed. But I bet those people in those pictures would not be allowed to ride in the "white car" in prison! Here's my proof WITH photos.
http://community-2.webtv.net/BARNUBIANE ... OPLEBLACK/

Myth 2: Greeks were a white aryan civilization. Go to Stormfront.com and do a search on what they think about Greeks.
http://www.white-history.com/greece_negroes.htm

Myth 3: The Etruscans were white
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/history.html
Would these people be allowed into the "white car"? Or part of the WN movement?

I am not a BN or WN I am searching for the truth. The truth to me is that many or most of the people in this world are of mixed race ancestry. Probably many people in the WN movement have african blood and genes running in their veins!!! This is the ironic part.
http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/BlackDutch.htm

Here are some more links here for food for thought if you dare try to learn the truth and do some research yourselves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... et/famous/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ngton.html
http://www.nathanielturner.com/livesand ... droons.htm
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... 8%26sa%3DN

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... amily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... edici.html
http://www.saxakali.com/Saxakali-Public ... noko12.htm

http://my.cybersoup.com/africanchurch/digest.html

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/british.html

http://grassroots.brunnet.net/fundyhs/a ... uzi%20(god).htm

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pharaoh.htm

I did not take sources from just a pro-black website or information , I have taken sources from pro-white ones as well as neutral ones. I challenge anyone to challenge me or the information I have cited.
GOOD TOPIC ,GOOD FACTS 8)

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Re: Setting The Record Staight on Race

Unread post by Panik » July 14th, 2004, 12:26 pm

I think the etruscans would be considered white. They were the ancestors of italians, and before the moors, Italians were white as far as I know. Even now, only the southern italians could be considered non-white, but even that is a toss up.

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Unread post by Silencioso » July 14th, 2004, 12:52 pm

The Etruscans were white. So where the Greeks. There is no Aryan "race". It's a linguistic term that means basically the same thing as Indo-European. There are WP skinheads in Greece and Italy and Spain even.

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 14th, 2004, 2:33 pm

real interesting links nyorker! thanks!

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Unread post by NYorker » July 14th, 2004, 2:38 pm

Capo wrote:real interesting links nyorker! thanks!

Anytime bro. Thank you.

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Unread post by NYorker » July 14th, 2004, 2:38 pm

mike89 wrote:
NYorker wrote:I have seen a lot of BS posted regarding the superiority of one race over the others. Many white nationalists and black nationalists make huge claims of the origins and acheivements of their races.
Here's 1 myth:
The original egyptians were white aryans. What a F&ckin joke!!! Show me the pictures to back up your claim! Most likely you will show a photo LATER in egyptian history when the Greeks took over! If you show older ones I would be impressed. But I bet those people in those pictures would not be allowed to ride in the "white car" in prison! Here's my proof WITH photos.
http://community-2.webtv.net/BARNUBIANE ... OPLEBLACK/

Myth 2: Greeks were a white aryan civilization. Go to Stormfront.com and do a search on what they think about Greeks.
http://www.white-history.com/greece_negroes.htm

Myth 3: The Etruscans were white
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/history.html
Would these people be allowed into the "white car"? Or part of the WN movement?

I am not a BN or WN I am searching for the truth. The truth to me is that many or most of the people in this world are of mixed race ancestry. Probably many people in the WN movement have african blood and genes running in their veins!!! This is the ironic part.
http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/BlackDutch.htm

Here are some more links here for food for thought if you dare try to learn the truth and do some research yourselves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... et/famous/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ngton.html
http://www.nathanielturner.com/livesand ... droons.htm
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... 8%26sa%3DN

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... amily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... edici.html
http://www.saxakali.com/Saxakali-Public ... noko12.htm

http://my.cybersoup.com/africanchurch/digest.html

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/british.html

http://grassroots.brunnet.net/fundyhs/a ... uzi%20(god).htm

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pharaoh.htm

I did not take sources from just a pro-black website or information , I have taken sources from pro-white ones as well as neutral ones. I challenge anyone to challenge me or the information I have cited.
GOOD TOPIC ,GOOD FACTS 8)

Thanks Bro

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Unread post by Panik » July 14th, 2004, 2:55 pm

aryans were just a nomadic group of people that came from the caucauses (spelling) mountain area between Europe and southern russia. They went through persia and the middle east kicking ass and ended up in India and were assimilated. The white powers took the name for whatever reason, who knows, but it was not meant to describe a race. Technically, Indians are more aryan than any earopean, and same with Iranians. Iran is just a different spelling of Aryan, they are also aryans.

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Unread post by NYorker » July 14th, 2004, 3:38 pm

Panik wrote:aryans were just a nomadic group of people that came from the caucauses (spelling) mountain area between Europe and southern russia. They went through persia and the middle east kicking ass and ended up in India and were assimilated. The white powers took the name for whatever reason, who knows, but it was not meant to describe a race. Technically, Indians are more aryan than any earopean, and same with Iranians. Iran is just a different spelling of Aryan, they are also aryans.

Excellent points. I am looking for an article about the arayan myth.

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Unread post by NYorker » July 14th, 2004, 4:11 pm

NYorker wrote:
Panik wrote:aryans were just a nomadic group of people that came from the caucauses (spelling) mountain area between Europe and southern russia. They went through persia and the middle east kicking ass and ended up in India and were assimilated. The white powers took the name for whatever reason, who knows, but it was not meant to describe a race. Technically, Indians are more aryan than any earopean, and same with Iranians. Iran is just a different spelling of Aryan, they are also aryans.

Excellent points. I am looking for an article about the arayan myth.


Here's an excerpt from the article by an Indian historian:
In closing, it is important to examine the social and political implications of the Aryan invasion idea:

First, it served to divide India into a northern Aryan and southern Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other. This kept the Hindus divided and is still a source of social tension.
Second, it gave the British an excuse in their conquest of India. They could claim to be doing only what the Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done millennia ago.
Third, it served to make Vedic culture later than and possibly derived from Middle Eastern cultures. With the proximity and relationship of the latter with the Bible and Christianity, this kept the Hindu religion as a sidelight to the development of religion and civilization to the West.
Fourth, it allowed the sciences of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture.

Here's the total article.....if you smoke weed you better smoke a joint before you read it because it pretty "heady"


http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/a ... awley.html

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 15th, 2004, 5:44 pm

Not so long ago I fell upon this and I thought it would maybe be a good addition to this thread. http://fullmoon_deities.tripod.com/african.html

If you notice, the 3rd god (Adroa) it says:

God of the Lugbara people. Adroa has two aspects: one good and one evil. The creator of Heaven and Earth. He appears to those about to die. Adroa is depicted as a tall, white man with only half a body - one eye, one arm, one leg, one ear.

Does it mean there would've been some 'white' people at that time in Africa? Does anybody have any idea on how that could be that one of these african gods is 'white' skin colored? Just trying to add to the subject..peace

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NYorker wrote:
mike89 wrote:
NYorker wrote:I have seen a lot of BS posted regarding the superiority of one race over the others. Many white nationalists and black nationalists make huge claims of the origins and acheivements of their races.
Here's 1 myth:
The original egyptians were white aryans. What a F&ckin joke!!! Show me the pictures to back up your claim! Most likely you will show a photo LATER in egyptian history when the Greeks took over! If you show older ones I would be impressed. But I bet those people in those pictures would not be allowed to ride in the "white car" in prison! Here's my proof WITH photos.
http://community-2.webtv.net/BARNUBIANE ... OPLEBLACK/

Myth 2: Greeks were a white aryan civilization. Go to Stormfront.com and do a search on what they think about Greeks.
http://www.white-history.com/greece_negroes.htm

Myth 3: The Etruscans were white
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/history.html
Would these people be allowed into the "white car"? Or part of the WN movement?

I am not a BN or WN I am searching for the truth. The truth to me is that many or most of the people in this world are of mixed race ancestry. Probably many people in the WN movement have african blood and genes running in their veins!!! This is the ironic part.
http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/BlackDutch.htm

Here are some more links here for food for thought if you dare try to learn the truth and do some research yourselves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... et/famous/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ngton.html
http://www.nathanielturner.com/livesand ... droons.htm
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... 8%26sa%3DN

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... amily.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... edici.html
http://www.saxakali.com/Saxakali-Public ... noko12.htm

http://my.cybersoup.com/africanchurch/digest.html

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/british.html

http://grassroots.brunnet.net/fundyhs/a ... uzi%20(god).htm

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pharaoh.htm

I did not take sources from just a pro-black website or information , I have taken sources from pro-white ones as well as neutral ones. I challenge anyone to challenge me or the information I have cited.
GOOD TOPIC ,GOOD FACTS 8)

Thanks Bro
no problem

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » July 17th, 2004, 2:49 pm

I did not click on your links. I appreciate the work it took. I have spent years of my life in this debate. Its simple for me. Call me whatever you want. I am blond haired, blue eyed, and white. I will use the term white people. I cannot blame non-whites for not wanting to gag down the truth.
The societies designed and constructed by white people on this planet have been far more sophisticated than any the world has ever know. Nazi SS science put men on the moon with their invention called the rocket for christs sake. Take that little tid bit back in time and imagine what we would be worshipping in our religeous books now. Every display of other races accomplishments I have ever seen at say a museum is a blanket a bowl and a stick. If you watch thousands of crows fly by, every now and then you will see a white one. In other words one super intelligent non white does not mean all races are equal. In equality is natures order. The big eat the little. Sometimes the little is smarter than the big and tricks them and eats them. That would be the case of the white race. We have always been smaller, but we have always been smarter. And that does not mean for damn second I hate people just because I say insensitive things.
I didnt design the world, you could sauy that blacks are better athletes, Ok Im over it! Big deal. Mexicans have better family values in my opinion and I respect that big time. Asian's are copy cat masters. Cant find much good in Arabs and Persians RIGHT NOW but I know what they have allegedly done in the past. Who cares? The point is where are we now? Who in recorded history has created better than what whitey has? Sorry folks, I know it a bitter pill, and I really do prefer not hurting people feelings. But I cannot allow myself to live in denial...

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Unread post by never die inside » July 17th, 2004, 2:54 pm

^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » July 17th, 2004, 4:33 pm

I have a big ol black dude who is my friend. He says it like this, Im glad I got to know who you are, rather than who you were...I am too damn old to give shizzzle.......lol

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 17th, 2004, 5:13 pm

Also about the italians gaining big knownledge (Leonardo the Vinci for example), it coincided with the burning down of the library in Constantinople if I remember right. So many scientists and scholars fled from there and brought whatever they could (that wasn't burned down) in Italy and taught. And the knowledge that was gathered in the Constantinople library could be considered asian, middle eastern, damn I don't how to classify that shit but you get the point.

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Unread post by shadoworder » July 17th, 2004, 9:35 pm

Saddam wrote:^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??

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Unread post by never die inside » July 18th, 2004, 2:28 am

shadoworder wrote:
Saddam wrote:^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Look up the origins of the "Enlightenment" too. What was the catalyst for the enlightenment?

you see how ghey this convo is gettin right?

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shadoworder wrote:
Saddam wrote:^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Makes you wonder about how the world really was and what happened to the human race. I feel that many societies had what we have today....then they advanced............destroyed themselves.......had a few survivors........then societies had to rebuild and repeat the cycle.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

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NYorker wrote:
shadoworder wrote:
Saddam wrote:^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Makes you wonder about how the world really was and what happened to the human race. I feel that many societies had what we have today....then they advanced............destroyed themselves.......had a few survivors........then societies had to rebuild and repeat the cycle.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html


where does it say that those are actual portraits of ancient aircraft??sure their is some resemblance,but i think thats a stretch...but then again....maybe those are ancient aircraft,but not of earthly origin:)

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Saddam wrote:
shadoworder wrote:
Saddam wrote:^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Look up the origins of the "Enlightenment" too. What was the catalyst for the enlightenment?

you see how ghey this convo is gettin right?


the enlightment??that was an 17th/18th century intellectual revolution,which largely challenged traditional christianity,what does it have to do with whites being copycats??

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shadoworder wrote:
NYorker wrote:
shadoworder wrote:[quote="Saddam"]^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Makes you wonder about how the world really was and what happened to the human race. I feel that many societies had what we have today....then they advanced............destroyed themselves.......had a few survivors........then societies had to rebuild and repeat the cycle.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html


where does it say that those are actual portraits of ancient aircraft??sure their is some resemblance,but i think thats a stretch...but then again....maybe those are ancient aircraft,but not of earthly origin:)[/quote]
You never know!!! If I saw those drawings and they said say the first word you'd associate them with I would have said helicoper, airplane, and submarine!

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Unread post by shadoworder » July 21st, 2004, 7:04 pm

NYorker wrote:
shadoworder wrote:
NYorker wrote:[quote="shadoworder"][quote="Saddam"]^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Makes you wonder about how the world really was and what happened to the human race. I feel that many societies had what we have today....then they advanced............destroyed themselves.......had a few survivors........then societies had to rebuild and repeat the cycle.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html


where does it say that those are actual portraits of ancient aircraft??sure their is some resemblance,but i think thats a stretch...but then again....maybe those are ancient aircraft,but not of earthly origin:)[/quote]
You never know!!! If I saw those drawings and they said say the first word you'd associate them with I would have said helicoper, airplane, and submarine![/quote]

with that in mind,check out this site
http://www.ufoartwork.com/
some of this stuff,is probaly nothing..but some of those prehistoric cave paintings,that are thousands of years old,are very disturbing

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Re: Setting The Record Staight on Race

Unread post by NYorker » July 21st, 2004, 9:23 pm

shadoworder wrote:
NYorker wrote:
shadoworder wrote:[quote="NYorker"][quote="shadoworder"][quote="Saddam"]^ Before you pat urself on the back too hard, remember that the " Dark Ages" ended when Marco POlo and others gained scientific, philosophical, military knowledge from Asia, namely China. They also acquired much of this knowledge through trade contacts in the middle east who had contact with Asia much before Europe did. So in a way, you can say that Whites are the ultimate copycats.

But really who cares? Just respect other races. Dont judge them. In ur personal life, u may kick it with only whites. Who cares? Just respect other races... treat them fair and equal. Thats wut most peeps in LA do.


the dark ages ended when charlamagne was crowned the holy roman emperor.the dark ages happened due to church tyranny,pure and simple.ill have to look up your points about marco polo,but whites being the "ultimate copycats"??who did we copy the steam engine from??or the automobile?or the airplane??


Makes you wonder about how the world really was and what happened to the human race. I feel that many societies had what we have today....then they advanced............destroyed themselves.......had a few survivors........then societies had to rebuild and repeat the cycle.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html


where does it say that those are actual portraits of ancient aircraft??sure their is some resemblance,but i think thats a stretch...but then again....maybe those are ancient aircraft,but not of earthly origin:)[/quote]
You never know!!! If I saw those drawings and they said say the first word you'd associate them with I would have said helicoper, airplane, and submarine![/quote]

with that in mind,check out this site
http://www.ufoartwork.com/
some of this stuff,is probaly nothing..but some of those prehistoric cave paintings,that are thousands of years old,are very disturbing[/quote]
Check out the Nazca Lines and Mayan paintings of astronauts it will make you really wonder and open to the idea of UFO's in early times and modern times.

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Unread post by Invincible » August 6th, 2004, 12:03 pm

Dr. Ben story:
Dr. Ben was invited to Wellesley College in 1993 to deliver the Martin Luther King, Jr. memorial speech. Publicity for the event described Dr. Ben as a "distinguished Egyptologist." During his speech, Dr. Ben told of how Alexander the Great plundered the Great Library of Alexandria of all its Egyptian wisdom when he occupied Egypt.

During the question and answer period, Mary Lefkowitz, professor of classics, asked Dr. Ben how Alexander the Great could have plundered a library that wasn't built until after his death. Dr. Ben couldn't answer and said that he resented the "tone" of the question.

Several Wellesley students later approached Lefkowitz and accused her of being a RACIST who had been BRAINWASHED BY WHITE HISTORIANS.

Dr. Ben got his info on the alleged sacking of the Great Library of Alexandria from George G. M. James' Stolen Legacy, published in 1954. Martin Bernal, author of Black Athena, defended James on the grounds that he didn't have access to research libraries. Now while it is true that James lived in a racist, segregationist America that would have kept black writers out of research libraries at that time, it is also true that one doesn't need a damned research library to figure out when Alexander the Great died and when the Great Library of Alexandria was built. So for nearly four decades--from the publication of Stolen Legacy to Dr. Ben's Wellesley speech--no extreme Afrocentrist scholars had the common sense to so much as look in an encyclopedia to see when Alexander the Great died and when the Great Library of Alexandria was built.

The articles you gave only mentions Morrocan Arabs, Morrocan Berbers and Egyptians, all of which are classicly defined as caucasian. The second study seems to mention the Nubians as being a mixture of Negroid and caucasian genes, which is irrelevant to the debate. Maybe im getting this wrong, which is why i think reading the articles in full would be helpful.
Although the fact that both studies use the term 'African' when theres no such thing as an African race doesnt fill me with optimism, at the least they're using sloppy terminology.
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Unread post by Invincible » August 6th, 2004, 12:11 pm

Many Afrocentrists justify their "scholarly work" by insisting that European scholars have done everything to hide evidence of the astonishing and unequaled brilliance of the African past (there was no wars, famine, homosexuality, poverty or slavery back then... ONLY happiness, prosperity and brilliance for everyone... until the WHITE MAN came around...).

The argument that only a black person can write the history of the black people makes just as much sense as to claim that only a member of the nazi party can write the history of the Third Reich.

A funny anecdote about hiding evidence: the Afrocentrists call ancient Egypt "Kemet". Kemet means literally "black land" and Afrocentrists see this meaning "black people's land". In reality, Kemet refers to the rich, green soil of the Nile Valley, as opposed to another concept, "Deshret" ("red land"), which refers to the deserts surrounding Kemet. Any serious scholar of Egyptology knows this, but the Afrocentrists cling onto the fantasy.

Kemetic warriors arise!!

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Unread post by NYorker » August 6th, 2004, 12:29 pm

Invincible wrote:Many Afrocentrists justify their "scholarly work" by insisting that European scholars have done everything to hide evidence of the astonishing and unequaled brilliance of the African past (there was no wars, famine, homosexuality, poverty or slavery back then... ONLY happiness, prosperity and brilliance for everyone... until the WHITE MAN came around...).

The argument that only a black person can write the history of the black people makes just as much sense as to claim that only a member of the nazi party can write the history of the Third Reich.

A funny anecdote about hiding evidence: the Afrocentrists call ancient Egypt "Kemet". Kemet means literally "black land" and Afrocentrists see this meaning "black people's land". In reality, Kemet refers to the rich, green soil of the Nile Valley, as opposed to another concept, "Deshret" ("red land"), which refers to the deserts surrounding Kemet. Any serious scholar of Egyptology knows this, but the Afrocentrists cling onto the fantasy.

Kemetic warriors arise!!


Good points Invincible. Somewhere between the "caucasoidcentric" and "afrocentric" or any other "centric" history lies the true story. That's why I like to get my information from a variety of sources and sift through the BS and keep the stuff that makes sense. Very few people do "unbiased" pure research...but I think this is changing everyday. What reference did you use to quote "Dr. Ben"?

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Unread post by Invincible » August 8th, 2004, 12:31 pm

Here is a profile view of two busts representing Queen Nefertiti, who is often claimed as being 'really black' by certain groups:

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

Here is a statue of Vizier Hemiunu who was the architect for the Great Pyramids of Giza(circa 2650 BC):

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

Here is a statue of Thutmoses III (circa 1539 - 1295 BC) from Cairo Museum:

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

Here is a statue of Pharaoh Amenemhet III, (1841 - 1797 BC):

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

A finely carved limestone head, dating from the Fourth Dynasty(circa 2950 BC):

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

Here is a statue of an Egyptian scribe(circa 2500):

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4 ... 0000001610

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To Invincible and New Yorker:

It's true Nyorker, that the truth lies somewhere in between. You see, there's irrefutable proof that the pre dynastic egypt, and much of what we now consider North Africa, was an area, populated by black people. (Study the findings of the black mummies in the Libyan desert, mummies that preceded the egyptian advent of this form, as well as pottery and art designs of these ancient black people.) HOWEVER, I strongly do believe that what became ancient Egyptian civilization, represented a people of mixed ancestry.

You see, the problems and weaknesses of eurocentric scholars, lies in the fact that they downplay black african genetic strains, within the egyptian ancients, in order to put forth the theory, and belief that the ancient egyptians were "white", and the evidence that they will use, in order to further postulate this theory, are "clusters" of skull sizes, questionable dna studies, as well as certain statues, busts and mummies.

I personally believe, that if you were to go according to the traditional definition of what comprised someone as being black, based on the U.S.'s codification of "blackness" historically, then one can argue that ancient egypt was a "black" civilization? How so? By going according to the one drop rule, which traditionally allowed a person who is 1/8 black (some states even have it as 1/14), despite how phenotypically white you appeared, you can nevertheless be considered "black". I remember in the late 80's, to early 90's, a white woman, with stark european features, living in Louisiana, was declared as being "black", just because in the state of Louisiana, if you had 1/14 black ancestry within, you can be, and are, considered BLACK!!

So what's the point, well my point is for eurocentrists amongst us, or those who believe that the ancient egyptians had nothing to do with black folks, outside of nubian associations-THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS ACQUILINE FEATURES, ASSOCIATED WITH EUROPEANS, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS AREN'T MIXED WITH BLACK ANCESTRY!! I can take someone who looks like Beyonce, Halle Berry, or Alicia Keyes, and breed them with white men, and have their children from these white men, breed with other white folks for 3 to 4 generations consecutively. Have their 3rd to 4th generation offspring mummified for 3 thousand years, and study their hair texture, their skulls, their features, and possible skin tone, without the benefits of photographs (just busts and mummies) and conclude that these folks are pure white, without having any black ancestry.

If I were really pressing eurocentric teachings, I can get a biracial person like Alicia Keyes, or a light-skinned, straight haired black man, like Adam Clayton Powell, Mariah Carey, or Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, and based on their european and/or acquiline features (hair, lips, skin tone, etc.), can glean from the damp rag, that these individuals are "aryan" or white, based on their features alone, because they don't look like Wesley Snipes.

Or they can take someone like me, who has straight hair, copper toned skin, acquiline nose, thick eyebrows that connect together, and mutton jaw, and mummify me, to where I was in that state for 2-3000 years-eurocentric scholars upon discovering my remains, wouldn't declare me as being black, if they were really seeking to impart this teaching, just because I don't look like Wesley Snipes, or Danny Glover.

The interesting thing about all this is, these eurocentrists like Mary Lefkowitz, have seen african americans, as well as other folks who are fair complexioned, with black ancestry, even though minute traces can be found in their features. Folks like Geraldo Rivera, with his fair skin, and straight hair, as well as Ricki Martin, admitted to having black ancestry. Hell! Geraldo even said that his grandfather on his father's puerto rican side of the family, WAS A BLACK MAN!! But if you were to mummify him, as well as his brothers and sisters, and keep him in place for 2500 years, eurocentric scholars would then relegate him and his siblings, to being not only full black, but having no black ancestry at all! WHICH IS BS PROPAGANDA!!

Remember, european blood really began to dominate, during the ptolemaic (greek) reign of egypt, which culminated in the reign of Cleopatra, who was probably part black, but wouldn't be surprise too much, if she wasn't...

(Also, even eurocentrists will admit-even the extreme white supremacists- that the ancient egyptian language is related to black african tongues, as opposed to anything remotely european! Many will even admit-even amongst the white supremacist crowd-that the egyptian language at the time was closely related to the language of modern day somalians.)

To the afrocentrists:

Remember, not all egyptians were full blooded black folks. Many of them were at the least, racially mixed folks, with mild to overt black features, with either wavy curly to straight hair, like Alicia Keyes, Bob Marley (man with very keen features) Adam Clayton Powell, myself, and other mixed black folks, or those folks mixed with black like Geraldo Rivera and other puerto ricans, yet with straight hair.

To be considered black, they don't necessarily have to look like Wesley Snipes, or Danny Glover, nor be west african.

I can say more on this, but in closing, if you were to look at many of your modern day ethiopians and some somalians, you will see the original egyptians-especially if you were to take a look those ethiopians, with mixed ancestry! They may be mixed with other things, but still you can't deny that they have black in them, right? Well, the same with egyptians!

(If you visit ethiopian restaurants, many of them [ethiopian restaurants] will have a photograph of a young ethiopian boy, with beige skin, and wavy straight, reddish, sandy colored hair, mildly keen features, but he was still ethiopian, thus possessing black ancestry. Kinda reminded me of how Ramses probably would have resembled, with his straight, wavy reddish hair...)

Besides, on about 70% of all the egyptian hieroglyphics, they were-besides the red okre factor-portrayed as being dark to light-skinned, similar to how you have black folks in the present day.

Nowadays, if you were to paint Halle Berry, Tiger Woods, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Wesley Snipes, Colin Powel, Condoleeza Rice, Cornel West, Denzel Washington, on a hieroglyphic wall layout, there you will see the representation of colors, from the ancient egyptians, yet the people I mentioned will admit to being black, or having black ancestry.

In other words, ancient egypt doesn't have to be "pure" black, in order for it to be considered "black", neither does the lack of non-negroid features of ancient egyptians automatically classify them as "white." Remember, you can not be white, or fully white, with acquiline features and straight hair (even if it's sandy colored), and still have black ancestry...

Read this article, because in this piece, the author presents a reasonable and rational perspective on this topic, that's realistic; not catering to either camps, but falls somewhere in the middle:

"'The ancient Egyptians were a mixed people, at least partly black. …' I wrote. 'According to the one-drop rule favored in America, partly black means black.' Some readers thought this a 'politically correct' statement, unworthy of a conservative.

"Even after centuries of admixture with lighter-skinned Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks and Arabs, many modern Egyptians still retain the African look of their ancestors. Arabic has supplanted their native tongue. But the language of the pharaohs was unambiguously African. It descended from proto-Afroasiatic, an extinct language spoken in Ethiopia before 10,000 BC.

"Yurco is right, of course. The label 'black' is simplistic. Yet, there seems little doubt that most ancient Egyptians were at least as racially mixed as many people whom we call black in America, from Vanessa Williams to Mariah Carey."

http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=18

Mind you, this cat's a conservative!

Oh, and just in case folks thought I don't have any evidence on the black mummy situation, but is rather speaking out of my ass, then check out this information (And if you can, try and find an old video/documentary, on "The Nile: River of the Gods"; this was a documentary by a white english, egyptologist, and not an afrocentrist):

"The answer has come from an unlikely quarter – the barren Sahara desert. In the last few decades evidence has been mounting that the Egyptian civilisation was not the first advanced society in Africa. At the same time as Mesopotamia rose in the near east, another culture thrived in Africa. Although few people have heard of it – this central Saharan culture is providing evidence for the invention of ritual activity which had previously been attributed to the Egyptians.

"An Italian team of archaeologists first explored the Libyan Sahara almost fifty years ago. In 1958 they struck gold. Professor Fabrizio Mori discovered the black mummy at the Uan Muhuggiag rockshelter. The mummy of a young boy, Uan Muhuggiag was destined for controversy. He was older than any comparable Egyptian mummy and his mere existence challenged the very idea that Egyptians were the first in the region to mummify their dead. Although the Italian team from the university of Rome “La Sapienza”, has since discovered other mummified tissue, they have not yet discovered another complete mummy in the region. But Uan Muhuggiag was no one off. The sophistication of his mummification suggested he was the result of a long tradition of mummification. Investigations in the area continue under the direction of Dr Savino di Lernia and Professor Mario Liverani."

http://www.fulcrumtv.com/blackmummy.htm

Also, check out this face of King Tut, which was created, using modern day forensics, based on his skull:

http://dsc.discovery.com/anthology/unso ... /face.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ub=SciTech

Also, check out this information on Nefertiti, as well as the busts that were created from her skull alone, and notice her black ancestry, which is evident in her features:

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/ne ... /face.html

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_809031.html

Now I realize some skeptics believe, or want to believe, based on some reasonable assessments, that this woman isn't really Nefertiti, but despite that probably being the case, this woman nevertheless represents an overwhelming clue into how the ancient egyptians looked like.

(Some will point to the famous bust of Nefertiti, found in the Berlin museum, and will hang their theory that Nefertiti was white (aryan), hence all the ancient egyptians were white like her. The problem with this postulation is 1) many archaelogists and historians question the authenticity of this bust; and 2) I have seen light-skinned, very fair-skinned black women, WHO LOOKED JUST LIKE THIS BUST!! Do you remember the women Lonette McKee from the movie "Jungle Fever"? You know the fair-skinned black woman, who portrayed the wife of Wesley Snipes character. Well, in real life, her hair is straight and long, and she does indeed, by all appearances, have fair skin, very thin lips, and a pointed nose: all earmarks of europeans. HOWEVER, if I were to make a bust of her, and seeing as how she admits and claims to be black, would I then tamper with the truth of her true representation, by sculpting a bust of a woman that was dark-skinned, with thick lips and kinky hair, or would I go according to how she truly looks like?

If I were honest, I'd sculp her according to her true features, without compromising the very real fact that she's black. If other folks looking at her sculpted bust, can't determine her racial pedigree, due to them not knowing, or not wanting to know-despite the fact that she claims her blackness-is other folks problem: not mine, nor hers.)

Here are busts from ancient egypt, of Queen Tiye, the mother of Akhenaton, and possible grandmother of King Tut:

http://www.mfa.org/egypt/amarna/ex_hi/ex_hi_03a.html

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/tiye.html

http://members.tripod.com/~ib205/tiye.html

Obviously this woman is black, and to those who want to be technical-A WOMAN WITH BLACK ANCESTRY!
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Re: Setting The Record Staight on Race

Unread post by Anonymous20 » August 9th, 2004, 9:40 am

damn this thread is full of intresting info, but i was wondering if anybody here also knows about the Sumerian culture, which is supposedly the oldest civilisation. could you post up some info about that too? some of you here shouldve become history teachers man, i love that stuff

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Unread post by Kemosave » August 9th, 2004, 10:11 am

Tableau may be oldest text
Scenes, symbols near Luxor may predate Sumerian script:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 229801.DTL

Brief Overview of the Sumerian Myth:

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm

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Re: Setting The Record Staight on Race

Unread post by NYorker » August 9th, 2004, 11:31 am

TheReal wrote:To Invincible and New Yorker:

It's true Nyorker, that the truth lies somewhere in between. You see, there's irrefutable proof that the pre dynastic egypt, and much of what we now consider North Africa, was an area, populated by black people. (Study the findings of the black mummies in the Libyan desert, mummies that preceded the egyptian advent of this form, as well as pottery and art designs of these ancient black people.) HOWEVER, I strongly do believe that what became ancient Egyptian civilization, represented a people of mixed ancestry.

You see, the problems and weaknesses of eurocentric scholars, lies in the fact that they downplay black african genetic strains, within the egyptian ancients, in order to put forth the theory, and belief that the ancient egyptians were "white", and the evidence that they will use, in order to further postulate this theory, are "clusters" of skull sizes, questionable dna studies, as well as certain statues, busts and mummies.

I personally believe, that if you were to go according to the traditional definition of what comprised someone as being black, based on the U.S.'s codification of "blackness" historically, then one can argue that ancient egypt was a "black" civilization? How so? By going according to the one drop rule, which traditionally allowed a person who is 1/8 black (some states even have it as 1/14), despite how phenotypically white you appeared, you can nevertheless be considered "black". I remember in the late 80's, to early 90's, a white woman, with stark european features, living in Louisiana, was declared as being "black", just because in the state of Louisiana, if you had 1/14 black ancestry within, you can be, and are, considered BLACK!!

So what's the point, well my point is for eurocentrists amongst us, or those who believe that the ancient egyptians had nothing to do with black folks, outside of nubian associations-THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS ACQUILINE FEATURES, ASSOCIATED WITH EUROPEANS, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS AREN'T MIXED WITH BLACK ANCESTRY!! I can take someone who looks like Beyonce, Halle Berry, or Alicia Keyes, and breed them with white men, and have their children from these white men, breed with other white folks for 3 to 4 generations consecutively. Have their 3rd to 4th generation offspring mummified for 3 thousand years, and study their hair texture, their skulls, their features, and possible skin tone, without the benefits of photographs (just busts and mummies) and conclude that these folks are pure white, without having any black ancestry.

If I were really pressing eurocentric teachings, I can get a biracial person like Alicia Keyes, or a light-skinned, straight haired black man, like Adam Clayton Powell, Mariah Carey, or Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, and based on their european and/or acquiline features (hair, lips, skin tone, etc.), can glean from the damp rag, that these individuals are "aryan" or white, based on their features alone, because they don't look like Wesley Snipes.

Or they can take someone like me, who has straight hair, copper toned skin, acquiline nose, thick eyebrows that connect together, and mutton jaw, and mummify me, to where I was in that state for 2-3000 years-eurocentric scholars upon discovering my remains, wouldn't declare me as being black, if they were really seeking to impart this teaching, just because I don't look like Wesley Snipes, or Danny Glover.

The interesting thing about all this is, these eurocentrists like Mary Lefkowitz, have seen african americans, as well as other folks who are fair complexioned, with black ancestry, even though minute traces can be found in their features. Folks like Geraldo Rivera, with his fair skin, and straight hair, as well as Ricki Martin, admitted to having black ancestry. Hell! Geraldo even said that his grandfather on his father's puerto rican side of the family, WAS A BLACK MAN!! But if you were to mummify him, as well as his brothers and sisters, and keep him in place for 2500 years, eurocentric scholars would then relegate him and his siblings, to being not only full black, but having no black ancestry at all! WHICH IS BS PROPAGANDA!!

Remember, european blood really began to dominate, during the ptolemaic (greek) reign of egypt, which culminated in the reign of Cleopatra, who was probably part black, but wouldn't be surprise too much, if she wasn't...

(Also, even eurocentrists will admit-even the extreme white supremacists- that the ancient egyptian language is related to black african tongues, as opposed to anything remotely european! Many will even admit-even amongst the white supremacist crowd-that the egyptian language at the time was closely related to the language of modern day somalians.)

To the afrocentrists:

Remember, not all egyptians were full blooded black folks. Many of them were at the least, racially mixed folks, with mild to overt black features, with either wavy curly to straight hair, like Alicia Keyes, Bob Marley (man with very keen features) Adam Clayton Powell, myself, and other mixed black folks, or those folks mixed with black like Geraldo Rivera and other puerto ricans, yet with straight hair.

To be considered black, they don't necessarily have to look like Wesley Snipes, or Danny Glover, nor be west african.

I can say more on this, but in closing, if you were to look at many of your modern day ethiopians and some somalians, you will see the original egyptians-especially if you were to take a look those ethiopians, with mixed ancestry! They may be mixed with other things, but still you can't deny that they have black in them, right? Well, the same with egyptians!

(If you visit ethiopian restaurants, many of them [ethiopian restaurants] will have a photograph of a young ethiopian boy, with beige skin, and wavy straight, reddish, sandy colored hair, mildly keen features, but he was still ethiopian, thus possessing black ancestry. Kinda reminded me of how Ramses probably would have resembled, with his straight, wavy reddish hair...)

Besides, on about 70% of all the egyptian hieroglyphics, they were-besides the red okre factor-portrayed as being dark to light-skinned, similar to how you have black folks in the present day.

Nowadays, if you were to paint Halle Berry, Tiger Woods, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Wesley Snipes, Colin Powel, Condoleeza Rice, Cornel West, Denzel Washington, on a hieroglyphic wall layout, there you will see the representation of colors, from the ancient egyptians, yet the people I mentioned will admit to being black, or having black ancestry.

In other words, ancient egypt doesn't have to be "pure" black, in order for it to be considered "black", neither does the lack of non-negroid features of ancient egyptians automatically classify them as "white." Remember, you can not be white, or fully white, with acquiline features and straight hair (even if it's sandy colored), and still have black ancestry...

Read this article, because in this piece, the author presents a reasonable and rational perspective on this topic, that's realistic; not catering to either camps, but falls somewhere in the middle:

"'The ancient Egyptians were a mixed people, at least partly black. …' I wrote. 'According to the one-drop rule favored in America, partly black means black.' Some readers thought this a 'politically correct' statement, unworthy of a conservative.

"Even after centuries of admixture with lighter-skinned Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks and Arabs, many modern Egyptians still retain the African look of their ancestors. Arabic has supplanted their native tongue. But the language of the pharaohs was unambiguously African. It descended from proto-Afroasiatic, an extinct language spoken in Ethiopia before 10,000 BC.

"Yurco is right, of course. The label 'black' is simplistic. Yet, there seems little doubt that most ancient Egyptians were at least as racially mixed as many people whom we call black in America, from Vanessa Williams to Mariah Carey."

http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=18

Mind you, this cat's a conservative!

Oh, and just in case folks thought I don't have any evidence on the black mummy situation, but is rather speaking out of my ass, then check out this information (And if you can, try and find an old video/documentary, on "The Nile: River of the Gods"; this was a documentary by a white english, egyptologist, and not an afrocentrist):

"The answer has come from an unlikely quarter – the barren Sahara desert. In the last few decades evidence has been mounting that the Egyptian civilisation was not the first advanced society in Africa. At the same time as Mesopotamia rose in the near east, another culture thrived in Africa. Although few people have heard of it – this central Saharan culture is providing evidence for the invention of ritual activity which had previously been attributed to the Egyptians.

"An Italian team of archaeologists first explored the Libyan Sahara almost fifty years ago. In 1958 they struck gold. Professor Fabrizio Mori discovered the black mummy at the Uan Muhuggiag rockshelter. The mummy of a young boy, Uan Muhuggiag was destined for controversy. He was older than any comparable Egyptian mummy and his mere existence challenged the very idea that Egyptians were the first in the region to mummify their dead. Although the Italian team from the university of Rome “La Sapienza”, has since discovered other mummified tissue, they have not yet discovered another complete mummy in the region. But Uan Muhuggiag was no one off. The sophistication of his mummification suggested he was the result of a long tradition of mummification. Investigations in the area continue under the direction of Dr Savino di Lernia and Professor Mario Liverani."

http://www.fulcrumtv.com/blackmummy.htm

Also, check out this face of King Tut, which was created, using modern day forensics, based on his skull:

http://dsc.discovery.com/anthology/unso ... /face.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ub=SciTech

Also, check out this information on Nefertiti, as well as the busts that were created from her skull alone, and notice her black ancestry, which is evident in her features:

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/ne ... /face.html

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_809031.html

Now I realize some skeptics believe, or want to believe, based on some reasonable assessments, that this woman isn't really Nefertiti, but despite that probably being the case, this woman nevertheless represents an overwhelming clue into how the ancient egyptians looked like.

(Some will point to the famous bust of Nefertiti, found in the Berlin museum, and will hang their theory that Nefertiti was white (aryan), hence all the ancient egyptians were white like her. The problem with this postulation is 1) many archaelogists and historians question the authenticity of this bust; and 2) I have seen light-skinned, very fair-skinned black women, WHO LOOKED JUST LIKE THIS BUST!! Do you remember the women Lonette McKee from the movie "Jungle Fever"? You know the fair-skinned black woman, who portrayed the wife of Wesley Snipes character. Well, in real life, her hair is straight and long, and she does indeed, by all appearances, have fair skin, very thin lips, and a pointed nose: all earmarks of europeans. HOWEVER, if I were to make a bust of her, and seeing as how she admits and claims to be black, would I then tamper with the truth of her true representation, by sculpting a bust of a woman that was dark-skinned, with thick lips and kinky hair, or would I go according to how she truly looks like?

If I were honest, I'd sculp her according to her true features, without compromising the very real fact that she's black. If other folks looking at her sculpted bust, can't determine her racial pedigree, due to them not knowing, or not wanting to know-despite the fact that she claims her blackness-is other folks problem: not mine, nor hers.)

Here are busts from ancient egypt, of Queen Tiye, the mother of Akhenaton, and possible grandmother of King Tut:

http://www.mfa.org/egypt/amarna/ex_hi/ex_hi_03a.html

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/tiye.html

http://members.tripod.com/~ib205/tiye.html

Obviously this woman is black, and to those who want to be technical-A WOMAN WITH BLACK ANCESTRY!

Excellent post brother! That was some excellent information. I will post what I have in a little bit. Peace.

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