Why aren’t elderly white males being profiled Terrorists?

[WIP]

Why aren’t elderly white males being profiled and called Terrorists?


All week there’s been lots of conversation about the rise of right wing terrorism here in the US. Sadly most of this conversation has been sparked by the recent shooting of Stephen Johnsby an 88 year old Neo-Nazi named James W. Von Brunn who entered into a Holocaust museum intent on causing carnage. While many of us are outraged by what took place, we have sadly missed some glaring points in our collective discussion.

First glaring point-How in the hell was this Neo-nazi allowed to be still walking around in the first place? Why was he not in jail? Why wasn’t his fellow Neo-Nazis in jail with him? Contrast that with the type of diligence that has been paid to America’s ‘other terrorist group the Black Panthers’ (Former FBI director J Edgar Hoover’s words not mine)

Early this week on Monday in San Francisco, over 300 people gathered in front of the courthouse in San Francisco to protest the jailing of the SF8. For those unfamiliar these are 8 (now 7 cause one died ) former Black Panthers accused of conspiracy to kill a cop almost 40 years ago. Initial confessions to this killing were gathered when police detectives tortured two of the defendents . We’re talking torture far worse than waterboarding. We’re talking cattle prods to the groins. We’re talking being beaten with phone books. We’re talking being suffocated with hot blankets and plastic bags. You name it and it went down until the guys confessed.

A trial was eventually held until word of the torture came out and the charges were dropped. But 30 years later, the same detectives accused of torturing these men were promoted to federal law enforcement and were able to travel all across the country and re-arrest folks under conspiracy charges in January of 2007. Bail was set for 3-5 million dollars for each defendent. Last week was a huge demonstration because the state is spending millions to go after these men who are well into their 70s. Read about the torture here http://counterpunch.com/jacobs02082007.html

How does this relate to Von Brunn? Well where’s the conspiracy charges against him and every other Neo-Nazi and Klansmen who made no bones about their disdain for Blacks, Jews, Gays and now Mexicans crossing the border? Why was this 88 year old man walking around with a shotgun in the nation’s capital which is supposed to be on extra high alert for terrorism, while 7 men who don’t run websites and weren’t in organizations that have a history of killing and attacking entire communities of innocent people because of their race? on trial?

If we were gonna torture confessions out of people, lets ask ourselves how many white supremacists have been tortured till they confessed and gave up information for the tens of thousands of Black men hung on trees for no real crime except for being Black or looking at a white woman? Where’s the torture of white supremacists till they confessed about the bombings of entire Black sections of town like Tulsa’s Black Wall Street or Rosewood or Black part of Cincinnati?

Was Von Brunn’s crime somehow related to the horrific crime committed by the white kid named Richard Poplawski from Stranton Heights which I believe is in Pittsburgh , Pa who woke up and shot and killed 3 police officers? Was anyone rolling with any of these people, sat down and hemmed in a police station till they confessed?

We ‘re still chasing down the SF 8 but we ‘re not looking to see if there were 5, 6, 7 or 8 people connected to the Holocaust Museum shooting or the police shooting in Pittsburgh even though both perpetrators were known for their White Supremacist connections.


Many right wing extremist are out in the open? Are they being watched and profiled the way the police like to profile Ray Ray and Pookie in our Black neighborhoods?
I know for many the answer to my question is more than obvious. People have grown cynical over the years so their response to my query is ‘what did you expect?-t’his is Babylon’-America will never serve out true justice? It doesn’t mean we don’t try. That’s why 300 people were out fighting for the freedom of the SF8.

No matter how the wheels of justice work or don’t work here in America we should be directing the discussion around the Rise of Right Wing Domestic Terror? We can start by calling it Terrorism. We can start by calling the people who committed it terrorists? We can check to see if entire communities will be profiled. I mean we have entire divisions looking at all muslims and Arabs fearing they may be connected to terrorist cells. Are elderly white males under watch right now? Should we be fearing them?

Yesterday I saw this Holocaust shooting morph into a condemnation of President Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright because he’s supposed to have made some anti-semtic remarks by referring to Obam’as handlers as “jews who are controlling him’ . Thats’ become the discussion. That’s become the source of outrage and not a bunch of idiots running around with swatstikas making fun of and calling for the continuation of Jews to be baked in ovens.

We need to be directing the discussion and asking why are these right wing extremists collecting guns, building compounds, erecting websites and doing radio shows calling for the overthrow of government allowed such freedoms while everyone is under the gun? I thought the Patriot Act and all this illegal spying Bormer president Bush was doing during his term and is now continuing under president Obama ,was supposed to keep track of the Von Brunns of the world. Apprently these laws seem to only apply to anti-war protestors, left wing organizations like Move On.org , outspoken celebrities like Danny Glover and Sean Penn and of course anyone who is of Arab decent or Muslim?

Again how does a known terrorist like Von Brunn get to walk the streets of America? That’s the 64 thousand dollar question? How does he walk the streets of Washington DC? You think any of us Black folks who were calling for the overthrow of a ‘Jewish controlled government would even be allowed on a plane? You don’t think they would’ve been check tax records, parking tickets, overdue library book fines etc?

5 years ago Bay Area rapper Paris found himself on a No Fly list after he spoke out and expressed his opposition to the lead up to the War and what he felt his was really behind the 9-11 attacks. Paris is a rapper-Not a Neo-Nazis carrying out acts of violence. I wanna know if Vonn Brunn a convicted felon was on a No Fly list?

I wanna know if Von Brunn was in someone’s data bank because he was on record saying that the reason he went to jail was because of a ‘Negro Jury’ was that a threat coming from the mouth of known terrorist? I know if Ray Ray down the street who was arrested for peddeling drugs said some stuff like that he’s have all sorts charges tacked onto his sentence. People on Ray Ray’s jury might even get a phone call from concerned law enforcement officials warning them to watch out..


Why was Randall terry the head of operation rescue allowed to show up at a funeral for abortion doctor George Tiller and talk madness? Isn't that what gang bangers do?
What’s also lost in this discussion on the rise of right wing terrorists are incidents involving people like so called Pro-Life advocate Randall Terry showing up at the funeral of slain abortion doctor George Tiller and saying he deserved to die. Was Terry snatched up, put into a room threatened with conspiracy charges until he gave up some names and he pleaded out? Isn’t that what they do to drug dealers? Isn’t that what they do in the hood for crimes far less egregious? Why does TV commentator Bill O’Reilly who was on air egging on the situation and damn near calling for Tillers execution still has his job. How and why?

3 Days after the 9-11 attacks I interviewed my Congresswoman Barbara Lee on my Clear Channel radio show about her lone No vote to George Bush’s call to war and I haven’t been inside a commercial station since. I was unceremoniously let go. I known guys who have gone on air and played the wrong record who were bounced out. Here in the Bay Area wew had a popular DJ who left his mic open while commercial were on. People heard him curse. He came back apologized and was gone the next day. Meanwhile this O’reilly can call for the death of someone have it happne and he’s still be praised and paid? Why is that? He can keep his job even though he had sexual harrasment charges levied against him.

peace out for now

-Davey D-

[whiskeyjack]

The same can be said about those blacks who bought fake explosives from the FBI and wanted to blow stuff up with them, and said they supported the attack on the world trade centers, the same can also be said for that black muslim who shot up that army recruiting center, etc etc...

Thats like me accusing all "Blacks" of people ignorant pan-africanists, which i havent done but am anyways labelled a racist by you and tre, LOL

[Azure9920]

Because an isolated incident surely matches pattered activity.

[Dobre]

What the fuck do Nazi's have to do with terrorists? I guess we should call every criminal a terrorist from now on this way every black person is profiled as a terrorist and crackdowns on street gangs are more severe, and hey why not call housing projects militant bases?

Freedom fighters



Terrorist



Criminal



Black helicopter



Learn the fucking difference.

[Dobre]

Unfortunetly, you people don't know real terror and even more unfortunate is that you never will.

[perongregory]

street gangs are looked at as domestic terrorist, shows how much you know... so there ya go alot of blacks and latins considered terrorist.

[whiskeyjack]

The mafia's too, wouldnt they be considered domestic terrorsits also? I know the biker gangs where i live are considered domestic terrorists un officially

[MidwestMind]

this topic is reach'n.

[WIP]

The same can be said about those blacks who bought fake explosives from the FBI and wanted to blow stuff up with them, and said they supported the attack on the world trade centers, the same can also be said for that black muslim who shot up that army recruiting center, etc etc...

Thats like me accusing all "Blacks" of people ignorant pan-africanists, which i havent done but am anyways labelled a racist by you and tre, LOL

please send me some links of:

a black power compound where they perform weapons training?
a black power radio station that calls for the "hangin of whites"

ill wait

[whiskeyjack]

Some people will contend that the NOI Islam supported and housed suspected killers, ive posted shit about it before dig it up... Your new black panther party seems to like guns and im sure they practiced using them before as a unit(what team wouldnt?). And talking about them, remember the NBPP spokesmen who was on the news saying all that stupid shit about white people... They may not have a radio station for there own, but they sure are vocal about there extremes. Some people would even argue that the DC sniper was acting on behalf of the NOI... Just because a movement is on the down low doesnt mean there fully active... So obviously something istill going on

[whiskeyjack]

I dont care about the radio station, i care about the people behind the mic... A radio station is just tool.

[whiskeyjack]

WIP quit dodging the fact, your racial extremists are just as capable of killers as the racial extremists on my side...

Your people are just as fucked up as mine

[Dobre]

street gangs are looked at as domestic terrorist, shows how much you know... so there ya go alot of blacks and latins considered terrorist.

No any group that poses a threat to the government can be considered a terrorist group. It would actually be great if they considered gangs terrorist groups, but unfortunetly, they don't, otherwise I think you would be showing colours as much as Al Qaeda in the US as they are now.

I don't consider you terrorists, I consider Albanians terrorists. If anything, blacks would be criminals and latinos would be drug dealers. The Albanians are a 3 in 1, you have terrorists(allah u akbar), criminals(shoot, kill, beat, cause haos/trouble) and drug dealers(by the tons, produce, sell, smuggle).

[Dobre]

The mafia's too, wouldnt they be considered domestic terrorsits also? I know the biker gangs where i live are considered domestic terrorists un officially

Mafia is organized crime. Bikers do organized crime for profit, and then live the biker lifestyle. Gangs are unorganized grab asstic pieces of amphibian shit, they're chaotic delinquents, emotionally unstable, the reason they don't let people like them into places regular people can go in, like grocery stores. They come in and cause trouble.

The mafia, on the other hand, is what? Expensive clothing, both casual and formal, expensive watches, jewelry, beautiful whores, expensive luxury and sports cars, big houses, nice hotels, tropical islands, expensive food at fine resturaunts, cuban cigars, hard liquor...

What?

The mafia does what it does for luxury. Mafia members do what they do because they have the brains and guts to do it. From personal experiance, mafia members have the best houses, cars and wives, they're full of life, they have good manners as they meet strangers and they can be the best of friends, you'll have alot of fun with them, they're like kids.

The mafia lifestyle is basically luxury. Any rich young kid with brains meaning he's full of ideas can have the same things as a mobster can. There's nothing else.

So what, killing? Violence? It's by mentality, most people here have the same thing. If someone insults you, why not smash their fucking head in? It's by emotion, not by something else.

Think of it this way, president Bush ordered a war which killed millions of people in the Middle East and Central Asia. Why? To protect his interests.

As Michael Corleone said, my father is no different from any president or senator. Oh but they don't have men killed...yeah sure believe that. If you go fight for your country, you're the trigger man.

I've never seen alot of bikers or gang members live the life of a regular low rank mobster as I've seen them here in modern days.

Maybe back then it was a middle class lifestyle, but today you go for everything or nothing.

One of my closest friends wore a 19,000 Euro, or 25,000 US dollar Mercedes watch to our elementary school prom which was held at a hotel owned by a mafia boss/drug lord.

[Dobre]

The same can be said about those blacks who bought fake explosives from the FBI and wanted to blow stuff up with them, and said they supported the attack on the world trade centers, the same can also be said for that black muslim who shot up that army recruiting center, etc etc...

Thats like me accusing all "Blacks" of people ignorant pan-africanists, which i havent done but am anyways labelled a racist by you and tre, LOL

please send me some links of:

a black power compound where they perform weapons training?
a black power radio station that calls for the "hangin of whites"

ill wait

Exactly. Only lowlife criminals, nothing else. Blacks are currently too stupid and disorganized to fight for a cause like they did 50 years ago when the Black Panthers were active in America.