Bulgarians

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?
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Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 3rd, 2010, 6:03 am

Modern Europeans said to be of Turko-Mongolic ancestry.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Azure9920 » February 3rd, 2010, 8:07 am

There's a lot of debate about the Bulgarians.

The Bulgarians have an Mediterranean composition, a mDNA study showed a strong correlation with cities in the Middle East, through Turkey and into the Balkans and from then on to the rest of Europe about 50,000 years ago. This matches up with the expansions of humans into Europe as well. Haplogroup studies have shown a migration path through Central Asia into Russia and then finally into Eastern Europe about 30,000 years ago, which would indicate a mixture of Slavic blood as well.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Silencioso » February 3rd, 2010, 2:03 pm

Is there any evidence the original Bulgars were even Mongoloid? Or is it just a linguistic connection like with Finns?

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Silencioso » February 3rd, 2010, 2:09 pm

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Maybe the original Bulgars looked like these people - Crimean Tatars. More Cauc. than Mong. In fact, totally Caucasoid. The average Northern European looks more mongoloid.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 3rd, 2010, 5:05 pm

Silencioso wrote:
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Maybe the original Bulgars looked like these people - Crimean Tatars. More Cauc. than Mong. In fact, totally Caucasoid. The average Northern European looks more mongoloid.
That's what we call them here though - Tatars.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Azure9920 » February 4th, 2010, 6:44 am

Silencioso wrote:
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Maybe the original Bulgars looked like these people - Crimean Tatars. More Cauc. than Mong. In fact, totally Caucasoid. The average Northern European looks more mongoloid.
You can really see the Turkic in them.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 4th, 2010, 5:24 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
Silencioso wrote:
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Maybe the original Bulgars looked like these people - Crimean Tatars. More Cauc. than Mong. In fact, totally Caucasoid. The average Northern European looks more mongoloid.
You can really see the Turkic in them.
Is that a serious or sarcastic comment? But they are more Caucasoid than Turkic or with Asiastic features...

I'm just wondering if they look more Russian, Arab or Chinese to you?


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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Azure9920 » February 4th, 2010, 6:50 pm

VsichkoEBosh wrote:Is that a serious or sarcastic comment? But they are more Caucasoid than Turkic or with Asiastic features...

I'm just wondering if they look more Russian, Arab or Chinese to you?

I was completely serious. The Turkic influence in Bulgarians is incredibly strong, look at the long, thin noses, and high cheek bones. I don't think there's much Mongoloid in Bulgarians, they seem to be a mixture of Slavic/Proto-Turkic peoples.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 5th, 2010, 8:51 am

Azure9920 wrote:
VsichkoEBosh wrote:Is that a serious or sarcastic comment? But they are more Caucasoid than Turkic or with Asiastic features...

I'm just wondering if they look more Russian, Arab or Chinese to you?

I was completely serious. The Turkic influence in Bulgarians is incredibly strong, look at the long, thin noses, and high cheek bones. I don't think there's much Mongoloid in Bulgarians, they seem to be a mixture of Slavic/Proto-Turkic peoples.
I thought so too. But there comes the question - isn't the Turkic race of Asian descent?

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Azure9920 » February 5th, 2010, 10:12 am

VsichkoEBosh wrote:I thought so too. But there comes the question - isn't the Turkic race of Asian descent?
From Asia, with bits of Mongoloid mixture in certain groups, but predominately "White".

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 6th, 2010, 10:03 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
VsichkoEBosh wrote:I thought so too. But there comes the question - isn't the Turkic race of Asian descent?
From Asia, with bits of Mongoloid mixture in certain groups, but predominately "White".
What about these guys? Mongoloid mix or Yok?

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by Azure9920 » February 7th, 2010, 1:26 am

i don't know what a Yok is, but they look like the usual people you post pictures of, whatever they happen to be.

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » February 7th, 2010, 9:00 am

Azure9920 wrote:i don't know what a Yok is, but they look like the usual people you post pictures of, whatever they happen to be.
You blocked me on MSN didn't you?

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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by VsichkoEBosh » March 7th, 2010, 5:27 pm

Bulgarians = Awesome


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Re: Bulgarians

Unread post by warhead » November 6th, 2011, 5:10 am

Bulgarians are white with some Mongolic admixture from the Mongol invasion. Anyway, Asians and Eastern Europeans are neighbors your going to see some Eurasian mixes.

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