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Unread post by FAVELA9 » January 31st, 2011, 7:54 pm

SO CAL BLOODS & CRIPS ?

OR IS IT ALL BAY AREA ?

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 5th, 2011, 5:06 am

BGF is a non entity. from my understanding and from books like "MONSTER"--the idea of black unity is more play then pay. Blacks have a problem uniting under a cause of "race". They just dont know how. Mexicans in Socal have been thoroughly indoctrinated with "brown supremacy" ideology. Which is why a mexican is more likely to follow orders if he believes he is doing it for his ancestors/family/kin. Using the Japenese Kamakaze as a model-brainwashed and indoctrinated they flew planes right into ships knowing they would die. Mexicans in Ca prisons have the same ideology as these kamakaze and believe any racial conflict should be met with brutal force. On teh streets this somehow has fallen apart but rember that the uniting of SUR started amongst gangs like the East Side Longos and their racial conflict. race was used by LA EME to unite all mexicans it held for a good 15 years where varrios who were arch enemies began to unite and battle their rival black or asian enemies.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » February 5th, 2011, 11:53 pm

even by getting at the heads of bloods and crips this couldnt be acomplished ...

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mayugastank wrote:BGF is a non entity. from my understanding and from books like "MONSTER"--the idea of black unity is more play then pay. Blacks have a problem uniting under a cause of "race". They just dont know how. Mexicans in Socal have been thoroughly indoctrinated with "brown supremacy" ideology. Which is why a mexican is more likely to follow orders if he believes he is doing it for his ancestors/family/kin. Using the Japenese Kamakaze as a model-brainwashed and indoctrinated they flew planes right into ships knowing they would die. Mexicans in Ca prisons have the same ideology as these kamakaze and believe any racial conflict should be met with brutal force. On teh streets this somehow has fallen apart but rember that the uniting of SUR started amongst gangs like the East Side Longos and their racial conflict. race was used by LA EME to unite all mexicans it held for a good 15 years where varrios who were arch enemies began to unite and battle their rival black or asian enemies.
I explained even before that BGF is known and still retains a presence through out the federal system and even in state Pens throughout the US.Not all blacks criminals are abrasive in dealing with each other they are some that are able to get along. Don't get caught in the hype,Even in CA state prisons from what I understand ,the BGF still remains solid.

ps I have been wondering why I cannot access the ''prison gangs section'', I understand that gangs like the ones just mentioned are in there,any body would know why

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 12th, 2011, 4:54 am

Yea you got to get a permission slip.........contact teh moderator and asked to be put on the prison gangs viewable list

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » February 12th, 2011, 10:13 am

how deep are they really in cali pens ? and how deep are they really in fed. pens ?

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Unread post by Quepolo3 » February 12th, 2011, 2:47 pm

I think that as long as there is Mexican and Black racial tensions, BGF will always be a factor. For the simple fact that there is safety in numbers, recruitment will be done on its own. I have never been incarcerated, but my family has told me about situations where brothers from sets that were in brutal wars on the streets, fought back to back in the pen. So for that to happen the need has to be strong. So in my oppinion, they don't recruit more because they don't have to. I think that brothers in general but especially brothers that bang, don't particularly like to be given orders, Especially if it's not equally beneficial. There typically has to be a very high level of respect for someone to take orders from another man. Occasionally, we get individuals that have exceptional leadership skills and have an enate ability to bring people together and organize effectively. However, it seems that because of this ability, these individuals tend to be targeted by enemies who recognize the effectiveness of proper leadership. Thereby taking away the ability to maintain a less formalized structure which limits the effectiveness.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » February 12th, 2011, 6:14 pm

What made you think they only recruit bay area? 415 is mainly the 1's that do that.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » February 12th, 2011, 7:38 pm

is there any famous so cal bgf members , famous as in well known ?

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Unread post by 2gungho » July 2nd, 2011, 6:42 am

It is known BGF members on the streets are trying to get Federal indicted so they can recruit within the walls and spread out under Muslim ideolgy. Doc Holliday is from 415 Kumi Nation, there remains a strong following within the East Coast Penitentiares.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 4th, 2011, 1:16 pm

bgf could possibly become the next aryan brotherhood if they expand like that , cause hispanic got to many prison gangs running around as it is.

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Unread post by policyking52 » July 14th, 2011, 12:07 pm

Whoever said BGF is a non entity is seriously misinformed. BGF did have some decline a few years back but have sense reorganized. The have the Maryland prison system on lock and are rapidly exanding to the streets. BGF is still listed as a major STG throughout the federal prison system.
Regarding the idea of Mexican unity there is a lot of truth to it but let's look at the matter closely. Eme did organize most of Souterh California gangs under the umbrella of Sureno/southsider. However all did join. The Marivilla never joined there alliance and to this day have refused to pay taxes to Eme despite the constant greenlight on them. Eme was never able to unite with it's fellow Mexicans from the North and thus NF and Eme and Sureno and Norteno have been in a constant war with each other. When Mexicans were the minority in Cali and in the pens they tended to unite more, but as they increase in numbers they war amongst themselves just as much as black gangs, hell it's a common saying that Eme's worst enemy is itself.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » July 14th, 2011, 1:44 pm

policyking52 wrote:Whoever said BGF is a non entity is seriously misinformed. BGF did have some decline a few years back but have sense reorganized. The have the Maryland prison system on lock and are rapidly exanding to the streets. BGF is still listed as a major STG throughout the federal prison system.
Regarding the idea of Mexican unity there is a lot of truth to it but let's look at the matter closely. Eme did organize most of Souterh California gangs under the umbrella of Sureno/southsider. However all did join. The Marivilla never joined there alliance and to this day have refused to pay taxes to Eme despite the constant greenlight on them. Eme was never able to unite with it's fellow Mexicans from the North and thus NF and Eme and Sureno and Norteno have been in a constant war with each other. When Mexicans were the minority in Cali and in the pens they tended to unite more, but as they increase in numbers they war amongst themselves just as much as black gangs, hell it's a common saying that Eme's worst enemy is itself.
MV did join the alliance & supposedly still are under it when in prison, but I don't understand how this was on topic.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 14th, 2011, 9:54 pm

what other states got numbers of bgf inside there prison system ?

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Unread post by policyking52 » July 15th, 2011, 10:48 pm

FAVELA9 wrote:what other states got numbers of bgf inside there prison system ?
Maryland prison system got a lot of BGF and they are large and in charge there. The person who was the model for Avon Barksdale on the Wire TV series is believe his name was Nathan Barksdale he was BGF.

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Unread post by policyking52 » July 15th, 2011, 10:51 pm

MV did join the alliance & supposedly still are under it when in prison, but I don't understand how this was on topic.[/quote]

NO! MV did not join the alliance maybe a few sets did but as a whole they did not a fact they are proud of tax free. It was on topic because it addressed something another poster had said.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 16th, 2011, 12:32 pm

barksdale the one you speak of you say was from bgf right , was he initiated by west coast bgf members ?

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mayugastank wrote:BGF is a non entity. from my understanding and from books like "MONSTER"--the idea of black unity is more play then pay. Blacks have a problem uniting under a cause of "race". They just dont know how. Mexicans in Socal have been thoroughly indoctrinated with "brown supremacy" ideology. Which is why a mexican is more likely to follow orders if he believes he is doing it for his ancestors/family/kin. Using the Japenese Kamakaze as a model-brainwashed and indoctrinated they flew planes right into ships knowing they would die. Mexicans in Ca prisons have the same ideology as these kamakaze and believe any racial conflict should be met with brutal force. On teh streets this somehow has fallen apart but rember that the uniting of SUR started amongst gangs like the East Side Longos and their racial conflict. race was used by LA EME to unite all mexicans it held for a good 15 years where varrios who were arch enemies began to unite and battle their rival black or asian enemies.
some of what you say is true ......but mexicans went along with the sur thing purely out of fear....they had to go along with it or face harm in prison.it had nothing to do with mexican supremacy

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » July 17th, 2011, 12:39 am

policyking52 wrote:MV did join the alliance & supposedly still are under it when in prison, but I don't understand how this was on topic.
NO! MV did not join the alliance maybe a few sets did but as a whole they did not a fact they are proud of tax free. It was on topic because it addressed something another poster had said.[/quote]
How do you know as a whole they didn't? Just because they claim tax free? This didn't happen until the 90's & still don't know what this had to do with the topic!

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Unread post by ViciousRidah » July 17th, 2011, 10:27 am

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FAVELA9 wrote:what other states got numbers of bgf inside there prison system ?
Maryland prison system got a lot of BGF and they are large and in charge there. The person who was the model for Avon Barksdale on the Wire TV series is believe his name was Nathan Barksdale he was BGF.
BGF is all through out the Federal and State pens, but the Maryland BGF are not what you call conventional,I am not sure if the BGF on the streets of Baltimore are legit or not.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 17th, 2011, 11:04 am

when you say not convencial you mean what ? that they go by there own rules , i check out the natahn avon barksdale on the unwired or whatever it was called , though he was a ruthless enforcer in his youth , then did time ( 15 years ) he seemed more like a retired pimp not no bgf ?

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FAVELA9 wrote:barksdale the one you speak of you say was from bgf right , was he initiated by west coast bgf members ?
Naw, I'm pretty sure we was initiated by the Maryland faction of BGF when in prison. Some time ago an individual who was doing time on the West Coast got permission to start a BGF chapter in Maryland, so this is the link that Barksdale got his membership from I believe.

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Unread post by policyking52 » July 18th, 2011, 8:06 am

FAVELA9 wrote:when you say not convencial you mean what ? that they go by there own rules , i check out the natahn avon barksdale on the unwired or whatever it was called , though he was a ruthless enforcer in his youth , then did time ( 15 years ) he seemed more like a retired pimp not no bgf ?
According to him he is no longer active BGF. He states that he was BGF when he was in prison. However, he is still listed as active BGF by law enforcement. In fact his name was listed in court docuements in this recent BGF incidement from 2009 I think it was. He wasn't charged with anything, but he was listed as an active member

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policyking52 wrote:
FAVELA9 wrote:when you say not convencial you mean what ? that they go by there own rules , i check out the natahn avon barksdale on the unwired or whatever it was called , though he was a ruthless enforcer in his youth , then did time ( 15 years ) he seemed more like a retired pimp not no bgf ?
According to him he is no longer active BGF. He states that he was BGF when he was in prison. However, he is still listed as active BGF by law enforcement. In fact his name was listed in court docuements in this recent BGF incidement from 2009 I think it was. He wasn't charged with anything, but he was listed as an active member
Here you go Flav


Also listed in the affidavit as an "active BGF member" is Nathan "Bodie" Barksdale, whose nephew, Dante Barksdale, works for Safe Streets. Nathan Barksdale is a legendary Baltimore gangster whose exploits have become the subject of a film produced and directed by Kenneth Antonio "Bird" Jackson, also famous for his days in the drug game. "Hell, no!" says Barksdale, reached by phone at the number provided in the affidavit, when asked if he's a BGF member.
www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=20161

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FAVELA9 wrote:what other states got numbers of bgf inside there prison system ?
Maryland prison system got a lot of BGF and they are large and in charge there. The person who was the model for Avon Barksdale on the Wire TV series is believe his name was Nathan Barksdale he was BGF.
BGF is all through out the Federal and State pens, but the Maryland BGF are not what you call conventional,I am not sure if the BGF on the streets of Baltimore are legit or not.
I'm not sure what you mean by "conventional BGF" I will say that BGF in Maryland often use the name La Eusi Jamaa which is Swahili for The Black Family. I believe that they are trying to get back more to the roots of where BGF started, and they are focusing on grass roots activities and strengthening the Black Community, as oppossed to just total gangterism. If that's what you mean by unconventional then yes. BGF has in a sense split into two organizations one even is using the term New Men/New Women. They both recognize the other, but their aims and focus differ somewhat.

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 18th, 2011, 3:44 pm

cool ishnit

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FAVELA9 wrote:barksdale the one you speak of you say was from bgf right , was he initiated by west coast bgf members ?
Naw, I'm pretty sure we was initiated by the Maryland faction of BGF when in prison. Some time ago an individual who was doing time on the West Coast got permission to start a BGF chapter in Maryland, so this is the link that Barksdale got his membership from I believe.
It probably is true that the West Coast BGF authorized a branch to operate in Maryland, but was it through Barksdale or not?Was it even this same indicted branch of BGF members operating in B-More?

The original Barksdale was not proclaiming to be a BGF member when he was on the streets hustling.
FAVELA9 wrote:when you say not convencial you mean what ? that they go by there own rules , i check out the natahn avon barksdale on the unwired or whatever it was called , though he was a ruthless enforcer in his youth , then did time ( 15 years ) he seemed more like a retired pimp not no bgf ?
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I'm not sure what you mean by "conventional BGF" I will say that BGF in Maryland often use the name La Eusi Jamaa which is Swahili for The Black Family. I believe that they are trying to get back more to the roots of where BGF started, and they are focusing on grass roots activities and strengthening the Black Community, as oppossed to just total gangterism. If that's what you mean by unconventional then yes. BGF has in a sense split into two organizations one even is using the term New Men/New Women. They both recognize the other, but their aims and focus differ somewhat.
I don't think of them as conventional because the BGF in Maryland are using the name on the streets and are broadcasting their membership to the public.

Where as the BGF in the Bay Area do not broadcast their affiliation on the streets but they are very well throughout the Bay.This is why I question the BGF's branch in Baltimore legitimacy.BGF is nationwide and they do not usually broadcast their membership when they hit the streets not do they make criminal enterprises using that moniker in most cities and states.

Of course West coast may have sanctioned to start BGF in Maryland state pens but how do we know these BGF members were the ones supposed to do this task?

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » July 19th, 2011, 6:02 pm

its like a seen a hispanic new york gang list and they had a gang called the mexican mafia ?

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FAVELA9 wrote:barksdale the one you speak of you say was from bgf right , was he initiated by west coast bgf members ?
Naw, I'm pretty sure we was initiated by the Maryland faction of BGF when in prison. Some time ago an individual who was doing time on the West Coast got permission to start a BGF chapter in Maryland, so this is the link that Barksdale got his membership from I believe.
It probably is true that the West Coast BGF authorized a branch to operate in Maryland, but was it through Barksdale or not?Was it even this same indicted branch of BGF members operating in B-More?

The original Barksdale was not proclaiming to be a BGF member when he was on the streets hustling.
FAVELA9 wrote:when you say not convencial you mean what ? that they go by there own rules , i check out the natahn avon barksdale on the unwired or whatever it was called , though he was a ruthless enforcer in his youth , then did time ( 15 years ) he seemed more like a retired pimp not no bgf ?
No it was not through Barksdale. BGF in Maryland was started by Ray " Ray Ray" Olivis. Barskdale didn't become BGF until he was in prison.

I'm not sure what you mean by "conventional BGF" I will say that BGF in Maryland often use the name La Eusi Jamaa which is Swahili for The Black Family. I believe that they are trying to get back more to the roots of where BGF started, and they are focusing on grass roots activities and strengthening the Black Community, as oppossed to just total gangterism. If that's what you mean by unconventional then yes. BGF has in a sense split into two organizations one even is using the term New Men/New Women. They both recognize the other, but their aims and focus differ somewhat.
I don't think of them as conventional because the BGF in Maryland are using the name on the streets and are broadcasting their membership to the public.

Where as the BGF in the Bay Area do not broadcast their affiliation on the streets but they are very well throughout the Bay.This is why I question the BGF's branch in Baltimore legitimacy.BGF is nationwide and they do not usually broadcast their membership when they hit the streets not do they make criminal enterprises using that moniker in most cities and states.

Of course West coast may have sanctioned to start BGF in Maryland state pens but how do we know these BGF members were the ones supposed to do this task?[/quote]

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policyking52 wrote: Naw, I'm pretty sure we was initiated by the Maryland faction of BGF when in prison. Some time ago an individual who was doing time on the West Coast got permission to start a BGF chapter in Maryland, so this is the link that Barksdale got his membership from I believe.
I don't even think some body needs to do time on the West Coast to be brought into BGF, remember the BGF is all over the state and federal pens.

What seems off-brand about the B-more(Maryland) BGF, is these dudes in B-More professing their affiliation so brazenly .There is a branch called YGF in B-more that claims affiliation with BGF and they don't seem to go by the book.

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No it was not through Barksdale. BGF in Maryland was started by Ray " Ray Ray" Olivis. Barskdale didn't become BGF until he was in prison.
Alright so your saying it was Ray Ray who served time in prison on the West Coast and brought it to the Maryland state pens?

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Unread post by policyking52 » July 26th, 2011, 7:52 am

I don't even think some body needs to do time on the West Coast to be brought into BGF, remember the BGF is all over the state and federal pens.

What seems off-brand about the B-more(Maryland) BGF, is these dudes in B-More professing their affiliation so brazenly .There is a branch called YGF in B-more that claims affiliation with BGF and they don't seem to go by the book.


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Alright so your saying it was Ray Ray who served time in prison on the West Coast and brought it to the Maryland state pens?[/quote]

Yep that's what I'm saying, based on my research it was Ray Olivas who brought BGF to Maryland. Before you call them off brand you got to remember BGF sort of split into to factions. One factions is more gang and the other is trying to get back to the roots of what BGF started from. One group is using the term New Men/New Women. In Baltimore the often use the term La Eusi Jamaa which is Swahili for the Black Family.
As far as them being on the street well that's just an evolution of the group. In Oakland they are pretty deep on the street as well and are well known. They may not be as open about it as they are in Baltimore but it's a new generation and a new time I guess. Similiar to when La Eme went from the prison to the street.
On a side note there is a group on Mississippi calling themselves the Black Gorilla Family, they are part gang part rap group. To date they have no affiliation with BGF

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Re: WHY DOESNT THE BGF RECRUIT MORE ...

Unread post by ViciousRidah » July 28th, 2011, 7:09 pm

policyking thanks ,I'll get some more understanding of this with my folks in B -more.

lol I doubt the rap group Black Gorilla Family in Mississippi has any affiliation with BGF. Thanx a lot.

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