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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by wizdom » March 1st, 2005, 6:11 pm

ajay049 wrote:Hey folks. I'm with NF (XIV) up in Frisco where shit pops off 24-7. I moved to the east bay since and I see Mexicans hookin up with Pinoys all across the SF Bay. My dad is Filipino and my mom is Mexican....we call ourselves MexiPinos. This ethnic blend is very common and large up in Nor-Cal due to the social ties and settlement history that goes back to Cesar Chavez and the Filipino La Union. Yet I only see the ties with the 1st & 2nd generation Filipino-Americans and the Mexican Americans. Those who came from the Philippens don't network as much with the Mexicans, as well as the Mexicans from Mexico not networking with Filipinos. Set wise...Nortenos have an easy alliance with most "old-school Pinoy gangs".
whats the history between Cesar Chavez and the Filipino La Union

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by ajay049 » March 1st, 2005, 6:38 pm

Cesar Chavez, with the help of the Filipino Farmers Union ( La Union) formed
the greatest Farmers Association that changed the California Work-field benifits defenatly witch Filipinos and Mexicans capitolized on.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by PlayaLarga » March 1st, 2005, 10:57 pm

lonewolf wrote:THE ZOOT SUIT ORIGIN ~ By Lonewolf

There can be no certainty about when, where, or who originated the zoot-suit.

The zoot-suit “tuxedo” never has been attributed to any single group or ethnicity.

Historically, “everybody got their own claim to it”.

The Filipinos in the west coast had what was termed by some as the Hawaiian look – a radical style with a “long” coat, pancake hats (recognizable by their flattened tops), and thick-soled shoes.

The Blacks of Harlem had the “killer-diller-coat”, which was a “drape” shaped coat with padded shoulders, and a one tone color scheme.

Even the Italians had their own version, a bit more in line with the Italian Mobster suit of the 20’s, but with bufont (elvis) type hairstyle and “trench” coats.

The word ZOOT comes from a Jazz term used when referring to something extravagant, something with flash, and that is exactly what the zoot-suit developed into by the 30’s, “cool & smooth”, yet definitely projecting a flashy appearance.

By 1943, the year of the infamous zoot-suit riots, it had become the uniform of a whole generation of youth through out America.
It distinguished itself as a form of youthful attire that was tied in with rebelliousness.
The zoot-suit began to be sung about, swung about, and memorialized on stage & screen, becoming immortalized in time.

Undoubtedly, the zoot-suit had its birth as “fashion”, but where did it originate in its infancy is the subject of many discussions on the topic.

There is several commonly referred to stories that speak on the origin of the zoot-suit.
One taken from the New York Times front-page article written during the zoot-suit riots of 1943, makes the claim that a certain Clyde Duncan, a black bus worker from Gainesville had purchased the first tailor-made zoot-suit after having seen and been inspired by Rhett Butler in the movie “Gone With The Wind”.

Another story originates the zoot-suit in Britain after the First World War when people elated that the Great War and “rationing” was over, indulged themselves with outlandish styles of fashion. From the export of British fashion through out the farthest reaches of the British Empire, the style is said to have reached Hong Kong and then onto Manila, right at the time when Filipinos were migrating in large numbers to Hawaii and California. The Filipinos brought with them the style and after intermingling with the Mexican Gangsters and partaking with them, the zoot-suit style in Los Angeles took a path of which now is the look with which we are now most familiar with.

Yet another story, and one that is taken to be “the real”, argues that the zoot-suit grew out from the Swing-Jazz culture. In particular from places such as “Harlem’s Night-Life” purporting to the exhibitionist style of the on-stage band performers of the times and their extravagant costumes.

Another story that scholars have given credibility to, is of the Pachuco zoot-suit originating from the military uniforms of the ZOUAVES (French Foreign Legion), ex-soldiers who remained in Northern Mexico after their abandonment by Napoleon, who chose to remain in Mexico instead of returning to France. Later, many of them also migrated north to the borderlands amongst the waves of others. These ZOUAVES had a very distinctive baggy colorful uniform, and the Legionnaires had a legendary reputation of being tough daredevil warriors. The wandering bands of performing Gypsies whom also displayed an extreme baggy and colorful art of dressing, along with adorning their bodies with tattoos and earrings, were copied and later became the trademarks of the Pachuco style of extreme colorful bagginess in their attire, with accessorized adornments, incorporated along with the reputation for toughness.

Many historians point out to the unique and autonomous culture that Mexican-Americans created for themselves, which allowed them to survive and resist racial oppression as the context in which the “glamorous” zoot-suit was born. The assertion is made that the Pachucos laid claim to their own bodies through the clothes they chose, and altered them to fit their attitude. The hairstyles, the dances, the stroll, and the language, they devised for themselves, and in doing such, they were displaying and asserting their right to control public spaces usually dominated by whites.

The Mexican poet Octavio Paz, wrote a book “The Labyrinth of Solitude” in which he sheds light on the Pachuco style and establishes a framework under which the Zoot-Suit can be understood within the context of the “pachuquismo” attitude in the borderlands.
From the changes in labour and social order that the waves of immigrants encountered when coming in contact with the ambivalent experience between two cultures, the birth of a unique style of attire was born, much in-line with “pachuquismo” identity.

It is at the borderland town of El Paso (aka: El Chuco), where the theory of the origin and spread of the zoot-suit lies in. And it is through the “El Paso-Los Angeles trail”, - the path that goes hand in hand with the migration and dispersal of this culture along the major Mexican cities of the Southwestern United States (referred amongst Chicanos as AZTLAN), - where the zoot-suit culture gained popular National recognition.

It is at this conjuncture that the Pachuco Zoot-Suiters interactions and relationships with other ethnic groups is crucial, for it was in an era when American Swing-Jazz music, and motorcars were at the center of a subculture of wild living, an era in which breaking the rules of social etiquette was hip, an era full of “isms”, from feminism to gangsterism.
This was the era when Prohibition (18th Amendment) escalated smuggling, and gangs grew in numbers and became more organized – thus the subculture grew right-along-side prohibition.
Drugs at this time, mainly marijuana, heroin, and cocaine, came into wide use, and Stylin’ became the child of liberalism in a society in which everyone wished for an outlet from the mediocrity of their limited world surrounding them.
When Prohibition ended, the subculture of jazz, drugs & stylin’ did not go away, and neither did the gangsters.

It was during this era that the Pachucos in the urban areas from El Paso to Los Angeles became known for their style of dress, idioms of speech, and their counterculture activities. The Pachuco phenomenon passed beyond the “fashion fad”, for it produced a cultural entity of nonconformity symbolism, displayed as “in-your-face” ethnic pride rebellion.
Pachucos walked around making political statements through fashion and speech.
They developed a unique language called Calo, a unique argot that employed words and phrases absorbed from the language of the Gypsies, creatively applied to Spanish terminology, and imaginatively adapted transformed English loan words.
They also developed a mannerism in which hand and face gestures combined with body movements in a display of “cool communication”.
They transformed a “relaxed night-out tuxedo” into a “flamboyant outfit” tailor-made from fine-cloth materials.

The outfit (tacuche) included
Baggy trousers (tramos) held high on the waist and cuffed snugly at the ankles, supported by either suspenders or a thin belt around a set of 3 or 5 waits ear loops.
A sport coat (carlango) that fitted wide at the shoulders and hung down to the thighs.
Shoes (calcos) pointed at the toes, with metal tips and heels & two-toned color black with a white middle.
A long decorative gold watch chain displayed conspicuously from the trouser belt ear loops drooping down below the knees then back up to the trouser pocket.
A fedora type feathered hat (tando), with long groomed slicked back hair with ducktails and kept down with pomade.
A silky dark or bright colored shirt (lisa) complimented by a short but wide tie.

When Pachucos borrowed from white or black forms, be they clothing or music, they virtually always altered them to suit their cultural taste – a practice that continues to this present day with the Chicanos.
Every time something was borrowed from a style of others, the Pachucos quickly deformed and altered it, and they did so in an exaggerated or mocking way.

Although the zoot-suit was worn by young people of various ethnic groups, it was only after the Pachucos stylized and accessorized it with everything from attitude and body movement to lingo – taking it from a “fashion-fad night-out tuxedo” to the baggy flamboyant outfit – that became the beacon of youthful rebelliousness.

The Mexican poet Octavio Paz called the zoot-suit, “a symbol of love and joy – of horror and loathing, an embodiment of liberty, disorder, and the forbidden”.

In the 1940’s, the “Negro Quarterly” and “Crisis”, both part of the independent press of America, wrote editorials in which they pointed to the zoot-suit being the “product” of a particular social context. They emphasized the importance of Mexican-American youths in the emergence of the zoot-suit style, in whose tentative ways, they tried to relate their appearance on the “streets” to the concept of “pachuquismo” – this encompassed a social-cultural-fabric that arrived from Mexico in the waves of immigrants urban America.

It is important to distinguish between the xoot-suit culture of African & Mexican-Americans, while both are expressions of countercultures and reflect alienation of young men in America; they remain different in their appropriations of history and of “their own versions”.

The depression brought on widespread unemployment and poverty, causing many young people to feel like “dead ends”. This phenomenon of the dead ends was taken to the stage and screen where it proved an enormously popular image in which many identified with. By the 1940’s American fashion was still gangster oriented, and the gangs gravitated largely around minority ethnic groups.

The zoot-suit reigned with Mexican-American gangs, but in many cities, especially those on the jazz scene, many others also wore the zoot-suits. Los Angeles went on to become a mecca for jazz artist, and Blacks, Mexicans, and Filipinos thrilled to the jazz culture, although the Pachucos also had a separate taste in music as well, this being el Mambo, la Rumba, el Danzon, Guaracha and los Botecitos. Music and dance style facets were continuously in flux, and projected varying degrees of influence from Latin to Black on the Pachuco zoot-suiters.

While Pachuco zoot-suit”ism” spread across the Southwestern U.S. it also spread south into Mexico, and to other unexpected areas such as urban areas of the Midwest.
The culture surely gained “International” recognition through its propagation in “Mexican Cinema” after famous comedians and actors in the caliber of “Tin Tan and Resortes” from El Paso/Juarez & Mexico/Tepito’s Barrio Bravo respectably, unabashedly took on and propagated the Pachuco style to the world.

As some dissertations on similar topics allude, pachuquismo, jazz musicians, ethnic migrations, and the zoot-suit riots are some of the factors catalyzing the spread of the zoot-suit as a dress style.

THESE FACTORS HELP EXPLAIN NOT ONLY THE SPREAD OF THE STYLE, BUT ALSO ITS ORIGINS IN DIFFERENT ETHNIC GROUPS AND REGIONS.
good post/info. lonewolf...now i know what kind of suit to sport for my wedding

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by TheReal » March 2nd, 2005, 10:52 am

Man, I am astounded and boggled to the depths of my intellect, the intense playerhating, and linguistical and historical twisting, of the record, that many mexicans/chicanos will engage in, just so that they cannot give black folks credit, for anything, that they’ve produced. I’ve debated mexicans/chicanos who love rap/hip-hop music, and/or those who are practitioners of this art-form, who will tell me with a straight face, that the music that their chicano brethren perform that is hip-hop, really isn’t hip-hop, but a separate and distinct type of music. The justification these fools will give are laughable and diverse. Some will say that they’re practicing the universal form of the spoken word over music, therefore black influence has little to do with what they’re performing. Others will say that their music is different than black rap/hip-hop music, only because they’re speaking on their “varrios,” and their unique, and distinct way of life.

To me, the shit ain’t all that deep! Why isn’t it? Well, because everyone knows (or should know) that cultures throughout time immemorial (almost), have had some type of poetry, or for that matter, poetry that is spoken over music, as an artform. That right there’s no mystery, in and of itself, neither is it a great awesome discovery. And every culture have had their own style of performing the spoken word, over music. HOWEVER, not all cultures produced the type of spoken word music, amongst other things, THAT BLACK FOLKS HAD CREATED, WHICH IS HIP-HOP/RAP MUSIC!! It’s like me saying that there’s always been folks who sung songs, but that doesn’t mean that the song that I’m singing, is similar to the style and flow, of another culture.

I can’t help it if folks universally like the type of music and style that black folks created, in regards to rap/hip-hop music, And that argument pertaining to chicano rap not being similar to contemporary black rap music-well, that’s a bogus argument as well, seeing as how much of contemporary chicano rap, is a retread of old black gangsta rap from the late 80’s, on up until the mid 90’s, which is evident in black groups like NWA, Above The Law, WC and The Maad Circle, and cats like Ice T, Ice Cube, Eazy-E, etc., from back in the day.

So you may ask: “What does this have to do with the origins of the zoot-suits?”

Well, the same thing that mexicans/chicanos accuse black folks of doing (robbing and stealing their culture; which is b.s.), mexicans/chicanos are doing similarly, with other black cultural strains, such as hip-hop/rap music, as well as the entire culture.

I’ve often admitted that mexicans/chicanos have contributed to aspects of west coast hip-hop style, but when black folks had adopted those styles from chicanos, they (black folks) codified, and changed certain elements thereof, to fit into their own cultural ethos (e.g. sagging pants, to where the underwear is shown; tying the bandannas in a knot, on top of their forehead; introduction of certain words like “bustah,” “gang-banger,” “hood,” etc.), mexicans/chicanos like lonewolf and others, will claim that black folks outright performed thievery on all aspects of chicano culture, which is a total untruth.

HOWEVER, when it comes to what mexicans/chicanos arrogated from black folks, folks like lonewolf have to go over the meadow and through the woods, and search under every nook and cranny, for an excuse, just so that black folks don’t receive proper credit for creating something, that they obviously put forth to the masses. Rather, folks will find a way to give credit to Filipinos (these people have always borrowed off of black culture in the states, heavily), Germans, dogs, etc., instead of black folks. And if they do so, it is begrudgingly, or with the premise that the thing that mexicans took from black folks, was turned around by the cultural ethos of mexicans, to where that which was taken from black folks, became apart of Mexican/chicano ethos. But you see, black folk aren’t given this benefit of the doubt in revers: WE’RE JUST CALLED CULTURAL THIEVES!

The point of the matter is, like Filipinos, and other groups, they (Filipinos) took a version of the zoot-suit, that black folks back east originated, and codified the form to fit their tastes, because it fitted their own cultural ethos, just like black folks in L.A. did with aspects of chicano culture; and just like chicanos did with aspects of black, and now obviously Filipino culture.

But again, black folks aren’t given the same consideration, rather Mexican soul-patrollers have to condemn black folks for being human, and adopting certain cultural trends from mexicans/chicanos, whereas mexicans/chicanos overlook the grip of cultural trends they arrogated from black folks, in greater numbers!

Truth of the matter is, there were many different styles of zoot-suits, that originated on the east coast. There were no east and west coast version. Instead, the differences only comes about, when it comes to the codification and preferences, from each racial group. In the end, black folks created the zoot-suits, much of the culture, which includes the music; the speech, the gaits (walk); and nothing a crafty historical revisionist can do, to change that reality, regardless of the timeline and historical gymnastics that are utilized.

Here’s some interesting information to read. I’ve read his (lonewolf) information, and have even checked out his sources, so now check out mine, and you be the judge (if needs be, I will post up some more, if asked):


Living in Spanglish
The Search for Latino Identity in America
by Ed Morales


The zoot suit, a flashy outfit originally worn by African Americans in Harlem, was extremely important in establishing a Mexican American identity in Southern California. The clothes were looser, and the capability of the body to stretch in them and perform intricate dance moves made them popular. By adopting the zoot suit, Mexican Americans were staking their own claim to blackness -- they were asserting a "most oppressed" status.

http://www.ereader.com/product/book/excerpt/5286



Murder at the Sleepy Lagoon
Zoot Suits, Race, and Riot in Wartime L.A.

by Eduardo Obregón Pagán

“Among the young men tried for murder in the Sleepy Lagoon case were white working-class youths, such as Victor "Bobby" Thompson and Hungarian American John Matuz, who socialized, dated, and sided with Mexican American peers through the cultural language of mostly black music, manner, and fashion.”

“The trial and riot were two episodes in a larger struggle over the structures of power and privilege in America, played out through contests over culture and social propriety. The public spaces of Los Angeles served as the arena where the very definitions of who constituted "the public," who could lay claim to those spaces, who could enforce social behavior in those spaces, and who could define the terms of propriety and delinquency all were hotly contested. One unintended consequence of segregation was that it produced a social, cultural, and political fluidity among families thrown together, and a significant outgrowth of that exchange was that young people across the color line, mostly of the working class, discovered and increasingly embraced what Michael Bakan termed "the jazz lifeworld." The jazz music, language, clothing, and behavior that were elements of this black urban subculture expressed aesthetic tastes and sympathies clearly in opposition to the normative social values of mainstream America, as well as to the aspirations of racial uplift and socioeconomic mobility embraced by many parents of the wartime generation.”

This right here is the coup de grace:

“In truth, the zoot suit was far from being the uniform of youthful criminals, or necessarily of the Pachuco. In tracing the origins of the style to African American hipsters and jazz artists, I argue in Chapter 6 that working-class youths in Los Angeles adopted, modified, and reinvented the zoot suit into "the drape" as a partial identification with the jazz artists they admired. It was an act greater than simple imitation, however. Jazz music and clothing became parts of the first countercultural expressions among Mexican American youths that sprang into life amid the pressures of wartime conformity. In the process of refashioning their own identities out of the cultural resources at hand, blending elements of African American styles together with Mexican and American culture, they created something uniquely their own.”

http://uncpress.unc.edu/chapters/pagan_murder.html

“Initially an African American youth fashion, closely connected to jazz culture, the zoot suit was co-opted by a generation of Mexican American kids, who made it their own.

The oversized suit was both an outrageous style and a statement of defiance. Zoot suiters asserted themselves, at a time when fabric was being rationed for the war effort, and in the face of widespread discrimination.”

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/eng_s ... ot_mx.html

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by TheReal » March 2nd, 2005, 2:53 pm

When all is said and done, whether you believe me, or lonewolf, both blacks and mexicans have an equal claim to donning zoot-suits as clothing, because ultimately we both have the stripes, which earned us the right to wear them (zoot suits)-and wear them proudly.

If you're black, and want to wear a zoot suit, then by all means, go ahead and do so, and don't let anyone intimidate you into thinking your copying another person's culture, or that you don't have the right.

In the end, clothes is clothes, and we all need them!

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Unread post by wizdom » March 2nd, 2005, 5:30 pm

damn alright then. i wanna sport a zoot suit for a wedding or something. them shits look hot. didnt flava flav rock it in that vh1 show?

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by Lonewolf » March 2nd, 2005, 8:03 pm

I don't know why you want to force an issue "The Real", i do beleive that you got the post i put up a bit twisted to say the least.

First off - i did not say that it was the Pachucos the inventors of the zoot-suit, i merely put in some research findings, however the story cleary implies that it was through the Pachucos without a doubt which gave the zoot-suiters a reputation associated with the streets, but that is not saying that they were "criminals" or anybody else for that matter, because truly
"you & me both" know how that term can be applied to us by the real criminals.

Was there a 100% certainty as to where the zoot-suit came from in my post? "NO", and you don't have the answer to that either - go ahead and dig deep all you want. The fact is that most of what is written on the subject is from long after it came to be recognized, that is why there is so much debate on the subject. One thing is for sure, and that is "we both" developed different styles "even" to this day - on everything.
Wether is Hip-Hop or Rap en Español, it don't matter - it is still different from each other.

Now if what you're trying to say is that we are the ones always borrowing from what Black people developed 1st - well there is a lot of thruth to that for sure - but honey please, once we stylize it our way - a lot of it - is borrowed right back - don't lie now "admit".

I've said it before "it's all good" ~ "don't hate & congratulate", because you can not deny "our contributions & spicy flavor".
I do hear a lot of rapers nowadays including spanish words in their music, or am i lying?

What are you going to say now?
That the LowRider is not our invention?
That our Barrio structure is not our invention?
That our Calo lingo is not our invention?
That our structured grafitti & artwork is not is not our invention?
That our body adornment is not our invention?

Did i not write on the zoot-suit post that everything we borrow from others or come in contact with "we deform it & create something new"?

Is that not how the world revolves?

I ain't taken anything from anybody, quite the contrary - several theories as to the origin were included - i wasn't there - where you?

It takes a lot of strenght to hate, and i do beleive that you have a serious issue which you have to face yourself with - nothing personal, just my opinion.

You can't be going around putting a whole ethnic group under the same umbrella because of the ills on the streets.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and views on life, history & all.
And everyone can chose to beleive what they want.

If you like to beleive that the zoot-zuit originated in your neighborhood, fine, no problema - but don't be pulling a race card from your sleeve on the issue at hand - cause frankly speaking that's how i understood you.

I ain't perfect, far from that, and if i'm reading more than i should in your posts, please sir - feel free to correct me.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by wizdom » March 3rd, 2005, 1:22 pm

i dont kare, Zoot Suits are hot!

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by PlayaLarga » March 4th, 2005, 12:42 pm

TheReal, while I share your sentiments on how facets of culture such as trends and styles are at often stolen, I assume that you failed to read through Lone's entire post:

Take a step back before you make assumptions because Lonewolf did write:

The zoot-suit “tuxedo” never has been attributed to any single group or ethnicity.

Historically, “everybody got their own claim to it”.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by BIG DUSTY LOCO » March 4th, 2005, 4:17 pm

ajay049 wrote:Hey folks. I'm with NF (XIV) up in Frisco where shit pops off 24-7. I moved to the east bay since and I see Mexicans hookin up with Pinoys all across the SF Bay. My dad is Filipino and my mom is Mexican....we call ourselves MexiPinos. This ethnic blend is very common and large up in Nor-Cal due to the social ties and settlement history that goes back to Cesar Chavez and the Filipino La Union. Yet I only see the ties with the 1st & 2nd generation Filipino-Americans and the Mexican Americans. Those who came from the Philippens don't network as much with the Mexicans, as well as the Mexicans from Mexico not networking with Filipinos. Set wise...Nortenos have an easy alliance with most "old-school Pinoy gangs".
West Up Ajay049?

The 1st/2nd/3rd Generations of Pinoys that settled here have an understanding of how it works in Cali, the U.S. in general. The FOBS(fresh off the boat) pinoys, as the newer immigrant Mexicans...do not have the background we do here in the States. There is constant bickering between American-born and Homeland born Pinoy, just like there is with Mexicans. The Fobs don't like american borns because some of us don't speak the native language, the Americanborn don't like the Fobs because of their accents. It is a struggle in assimilation and belonging...might even be an issue of self-identity here too.

Most "old school Pinoy gangs" in the Los have an easy alliance with the Southern California Chicano gangs they have lived with and grew up with over the years. The new school on both sides, don't have the same beginnings...and seem to have racial differences/divide.

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Unread post by GTS » March 4th, 2005, 4:49 pm

Sounds similar to our situation up north Dusty.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by ajay049 » March 5th, 2005, 8:15 pm

Aye Dusty,

Your on hit with that. I never had good relations with the imagrant filipino gangs in the bay such as RPB, Vigalante, AKP ect. My folks usually affiliate with the "Old School Pinoys" TNP, ABT, Outlaw, SC Warriors ect.

Aye eNe,

How does it go down in V-Town?? Yall got mad Pinoy Bangers up there too. You fellin me on this??

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Unread post by Lonewolf » March 5th, 2005, 11:49 pm

Where is THE REAL?

Com'on man, don't catch no feelings on me bro' - thats just my nature.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

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BIG DUSTY LOCO wrote:
ajay049 wrote:Hey folks. I'm with NF (XIV) up in Frisco where shit pops off 24-7. I moved to the east bay since and I see Mexicans hookin up with Pinoys all across the SF Bay. My dad is Filipino and my mom is Mexican....we call ourselves MexiPinos. This ethnic blend is very common and large up in Nor-Cal due to the social ties and settlement history that goes back to Cesar Chavez and the Filipino La Union. Yet I only see the ties with the 1st & 2nd generation Filipino-Americans and the Mexican Americans. Those who came from the Philippens don't network as much with the Mexicans, as well as the Mexicans from Mexico not networking with Filipinos. Set wise...Nortenos have an easy alliance with most "old-school Pinoy gangs".
West Up Ajay049?

The 1st/2nd/3rd Generations of Pinoys that settled here have an understanding of how it works in Cali, the U.S. in general. The FOBS(fresh off the boat) pinoys, as the newer immigrant Mexicans...do not have the background we do here in the States. There is constant bickering between American-born and Homeland born Pinoy, just like there is with Mexicans. The Fobs don't like american borns because some of us don't speak the native language, the Americanborn don't like the Fobs because of their accents. It is a struggle in assimilation and belonging...might even be an issue of self-identity here too.

Most "old school Pinoy gangs" in the Los have an easy alliance with the Southern California Chicano gangs they have lived with and grew up with over the years. The new school on both sides, don't have the same beginnings...and seem to have racial differences/divide.
That's true. It's like how chicanos can call some of their own "pisass" or "chunte" or whatever.

I seen the same kind of beefs with the pinoys down in the LB and Carson where "fob" gangs like SRB and "american born" Pinoy varrios like CPC were beefing.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by GTS » March 7th, 2005, 11:13 am

Ajay,

Wassup homie, yah there's mad pinoys in the V, but most of them are younstas.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by ajay049 » March 7th, 2005, 11:52 am

GTS,

Back in the early 90's my folkes & I threw blows with a Vallejo pinoy gang in the Marine World parking lot, they hollard "13High" Do you know of their rep??

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North Fremont

Unread post by ajay049 » August 23rd, 2005, 4:48 pm

Any of you East Bay homies have any 411 on what went down in North Fremont between some Afghan gang and the filipino and mexican homies
from Newark?

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Re: North Fremont

Unread post by 2%SODA » November 10th, 2005, 10:36 pm

ajay049 wrote:Any of you East Bay homies have any 411 on what went down in North Fremont between some Afghan gang and the filipino and mexican homies
from Newark?
when was this?

are you talking about the shit from 10 years ago?

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by BIG DUSTY LOCO » November 15th, 2005, 11:53 am

ajay049 wrote:GTS,

Back in the early 90's my folkes & I threw blows with a Vallejo pinoy gang in the Marine World parking lot, they hollard "13High" Do you know of their rep??
I've heard of that click...13high...I'm not sure of their rep, but they were active in the early 90's...

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by ajay049 » January 27th, 2006, 12:13 pm

BIG DUSTY LOCO wrote:
ajay049 wrote:GTS,

Back in the early 90's my folkes & I threw blows with a Vallejo pinoy gang in the Marine World parking lot, they hollard "13High" Do you know of their rep??
I've heard of that click...13high...I'm not sure of their rep, but they were active in the early 90's...
I think 13high was a Vallejo Pinoy gang with Sureno roots. But I haven't nothing from them of late.

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Re: Filipinos allying with Mexicans

Unread post by UmanH-ay » January 31st, 2006, 2:30 am

George wrote:Grey is a Crip color to certain sets.
i know darccside clique from park village wear blue but in addition wear black and grey

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Unread post by classicc » February 2nd, 2006, 12:41 am

not in san diego

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