In response to Slim:
-Many mexicans hate Blacks due to 1)what they see (via media coverage) in their countries before coming here,
*That's true in large part, however, that doesn't tell the whole story, whereas the information that I've posted, completes what you're saying here.
-2)we as Blacks have and continue to victimize Hispanics (jack, robbed, etc.) and that is discussed and passed on to their families, church members and friends,
*As I said before in a prior post: BLACKS ARE NO ANGELS!! (Or was that on another website?) I realize and will acknowledge the evil deeds that blacks commit freely, however, I don't believe the racism, or even the majority of racism that mexicans propagate onto blacks are due to the factors you've just outlined. I feel that the type of racism that many of them presently possess is similar to white racism, and how it can manifest itself!!
You see, much of white racism manifests itself by harming, attacking, and destroying the peace of a hated group, regardless of whether or not that group is causing you any type of harm or not!! During the days when lynching was prevalent towards blacks, during the early parts of the twentieth century, 70-80% of the prison population was white. (The black prison population began to grow during the 50's onward.) You ask me, what's the point? Well the point is that nowadays, people will use as an excuse, certain earmarks of behavior that blacks will manifest, and will conveniently use that as a justification on why they hate black people: some of it's legitimate, whereas much of it isn't! One of the behavioral traits that they will use is the criminality of black people as an excuse.
HOWEVER! During the early parts on the twentieth century (even the latter parts of the nineteenth century), when blacks were committing less crime, or let's just say, the face of crime wasn't someone who's black per se-THAT'S WHEN VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACKS BY WHITE FOLKS, WERE AT ITS' HIGHEST! I mean they use to burn down whole black communities, schools, and churches! And on many occasions, they'd do so, not because blacks were committing crimes, fighting against real or imagined oppression. NO! Rather, many of these acts were brought about due to those white people wanting to stifle and thwart, black productivity and self-determination. In other words, THOSE FOOLS WERE HATERS WITHOUT A CAUSE! Blacks didn't have the reputation, by and large, that we have today, in regards to the majority of children being born out of wedlock (in the 1900 census, 75% of black children were born in two parent households, the 30's it was 70% and by the early to mid 60's it was 60%; things began to change from 1965 onwards-but that's another topic), blacks being the majority group in prison, etc.: BUT YET WE WERE STILL HATED AND OPPRESSED!!
This isn't to say that blacks are justified in their delinquent behavior, but it does highlight how the contemporary paradigm for black hatred, is bogus (that black folks behavior, is the SOLE cause of the racism that is inflicted on them, because if you were to show a racist, someone that’s black, who’s just the opposite of how they view blacks, or would want to view blacks, THEY’D STILL HATE REGARDLESS, because that’s just what they do)! Again, I stand by my previous statements, despite how harsh, I won't give an inch.
*This I agree with, but probably not for the same reason.
-There have always been more Hispanics in California, but blacks due to our, aggrissiveness and fighting for Civil Rights history have always demanded power (or the opportunity for power).
*Also you have to look at the fact that during the Civil Rights movements, the laws that were passed, changed discriminatory statutes on a federal level, and were all encompassing-benefiting other racial groups, and minorities. For instance, let's not forget the fact that mexicans have been fighting for their own civil rights, going back to 1845. However, despite the barriers they've broken down, the laws they helped changed, solely benefited mexicans only, and it was relegated to local municipalities, or single states. Whereas, again, the black civil rights movement encompassed all, because it changed federal laws, thereby effecting all states, as well as those states that were the last bastions of legal segregation and jim crow.
Also take into account that the "hispanic/latino" population in total, wasn't as large, in years gone by, as folks see it today. In 1862 for example, after the annexation of California, Texas, and other territories throughout the southwest increased the mexican/hispanic (actually I'm referring to mexicans, because puerto ricans, and dominicans at this time in history, wasn't even a factor) to approximately 4,000 as compared to the five million black slaves and free black folks living at that time.
Additionally, at the turn of the century, the mexican/hispanic immigration combined with high birthrates had increased the mexican/hispanic population by approximately 2,500 percent, whereas the black birth rate increased by 100%. The 1900 Census data reported a population of 100,000 mexicans/hispanics and nine million blacks. However, over the 90 years, the birthrates of the two remained relatively equal. Yet the 1990 Census showed and incredible increase in the Mexican/Hispanic population, that was growing at a rate that was nine times faster than the black population.
The reason for this is the annual immigration influx of nearly two million Mexicans and other central Americans, by both legal and illegal means. This amount to a continuous, never-ending flow of Mexicans and other central americans, into this country, all of who enter the social order at a higher rank than blacks.
Truth be told, blacks still outnumber Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and any other latino/Hispanic group, if you were to separate them into separate ethnic groups. Their majority status is largely due to the census takers, and the powers that be, lumping everyone from a Spanish, or portugese speaking country, into one category! Hell, you have folks that are white, and all the way to being black, and everything in between, who are classified as latinos/Hispanics. I personally know folks that are black like Wesley Snipes, kinky hair; with nothing “latin” about their features-but they’re still considered Latino/Hispanic! Then I’ve seen latinos/Hispanics that are white (white people are the true latinos) with blue eyes and blonde hair (I’ve even seen a few Mexicans that fits this description). Believe it or not, I’ve seen straight Asians, whose family was either from japan, or china (my college roommate was racially Chinese, but was born and raised in Cuba), but because they’re from a latin American country, THEY ARE NOW REFERRED TO AS LATINO/HISPANICS!!!
As I said before, racially, to be considered a latino/Hispanic-YOU CAN BE ANY OLD THING!!! The powers that be (latino organizations, politicians) they’re not choosy-they have their agenda, and so do many folks who are ethnically and racially distinct as well.
(I can go further with this, however it’s not my job to tell people how they ought to identify themselves as-it’s just an interesting case study if you ask me. However, I am mentioning this, to let fools know that I’m not necessarily talking about ALL HISPANICS: because you do have those Hispanics/latinos who are black, or of African descent, who aren’t racist like Mexicans, or those latinos/Hispanics who fall under the mestizo category.)
-This numbers game has been evident for sometime. Many parts (East Side primarily) of South Central LA was majority Hispanic (60+%) as of 1999 if not earlier (just like Compton and Watts). Due to so many Hispanics being immigrants, they can not vote and can not take advantage of their numbers. Blacks have 65% of the voter electorate in CPT for example.
*This I know already, however the information that I posted, isn’t compromised by these facts of yours. You see, I’m not interested in the numbers game, or who’s the top minority! Why? Because common sense will tell anyone that just because “latinos/Hispanics” are the top minorities, doesn’t mean that the problems black people face in this country, will just evaporate and disappear! Number one minority status, doesn’t resolve black issues, and the fight that’s ahead for black people. Again, I’m talking about black people defending themselves from the predators within their race, as well as those without. However, when I talk about black folks dealing with non-black devils that seek to prey on their very existence, that’s when I then become the bad guy, just because I tell black folks to pick up the gun, and prepare for the coming storm-as well as viewing racist Mexicans, the same way as you would racist whites.
For years this country has had immigrants land here in this country, whether they be white, or non-white, or even non-black! Every one of those different groups landing in this country has faced some type of discrimination and oppression, once they’ve landed. However, as time progressed their succeeding generations have assimilated, if not fully into the culture, but assimilated enough, to where they gain some modicum of acceptance. Yet despite the advancements of these groups, or even the success of black people, or whatnot-as I said before, so say I now again: that the issues facing black people in this country (much of it is self-inflicted, or a perpetuation of certain negative behaviors placed upon us), will never be determined, nor will be thrown out of the stratosphere, because of some new minority status given to a politically, concocted group, that comprises of different races, many of them separate and distinct from one another, yet are classified as one racial group-based on political and social agendas!
White America would rather deal with the general latino population as minorities, with people who are Caucasoid looking like Vicente Fox or Ricki Martin (the latter admitted to having black in him), because of their close alignment to the majority (white) population’s features, than to reckon and deal with those who are black, whom the majority are opposite of those of the majority population.
Being “brown” is just around the corner, based on how many latinos/Hispanics look like, And white folks, despite a apprehensive, and hesitant stances, the majority of them will favor latinos/Hispanics as a group, just for the very fact that many latinos/Hispanics, either are indistinguishable from white, or primarily white, or just white themselves. That’s why many amongst the powers that be, within the latino/Hispanic community, are wanting those latinos/Hispanics who are black, or of African descent (Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc.) to downplay their African heritage, and not raise a stink about their kinship and cultural ties with their brothers and sisters throughout the African diaspora, in order to maintain, a false unity that exists amongst latinos/Hispanics!! In other words, the general latino/Hispanic population wants afro-latinos, or those of African descent silent, and not let the majority population know of their existence, in so far as when they think of an image for a latino/Hispanic, they won’t think of a black person, rather someone who’s either white, or brown!
The only “darker” race that the general latino/Hispanic population wants the world to think of, that’s conjoined with either their Portugese or Spanish ancestry, are Native Americans. They also want afro-latinos, or those of African descent to be silent when it comes to the issues of racism and discrimination, not only as a black person in this country, but the racism that exists amongst the latino/Hispanic population as well, with the reward being, that they can classify themselves as a new racial group (latino/Hispanic), whereby they won’t be burdened by the “stigma” of being identified as black. But this is done with a cost, which is their silence and pretending that everything is all-good.
Truth be told, I’m part Afro-latino and African-american (i.e. black), and I may not be able to speak for all afro-latinos, or those of African descent, but one thing I can say is-despite the fact that I speak Spanish, and have straight hair, and have been confused at times for being a latino/Hispanic, I will say to any mestizos, or racist latinos/Hispanics who are white, or those who consider themselves “brown” (even though many of them may have black in them), including those with a white supremacist/Amerindian/latino/negrophobic/hispanidad agenda-THAT IF YOU DON’T LIKE BLACK PEOPLE, AND THINK YOU’RE BETTER THAN THEM, AND WISH FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION, THEN YOU’RE NO LATINO/HISPANIC BRETHREN OF MINE!! I mean I’d have to be a fool, and a supreme UNCLE TOM, to ally myself, or lay within a classification with people, who hate my other brothers and sisters of the African diaspora, or believe that to be black is a biological hazard. Hell no devils! If you hate my fellow African people, whether they’re from this country, or any other part of the western hemisphere, or around the world-DON’T COUNT ME IN YOUR NUMBERS!!
Myself, and folks in my family refuse to be good “niggers” and join your Latino/Hispanic army, when it’s convenient to use our numbers for political purposes, only to throw us off, reject us, and think of us as step-children, once we serve no purpose. And don’t come at me with that b.s. that your hatred is only towards blacks in this country, BECAUSE I’D TELL YOU IN A HURRY, TO GO TO HELL!! I’m not going to fall for that divide and conquer tactics devil!!! That’s one of things your Spanish ancestors did, in order to take down indigenous kingdoms throughout the Americas. Simply put, if you hate African blood, or people of the African diaspora, don’t expect support from those latinos/Hispanics who are Afro-latinos, or many of those who are of African descent.
This is the twenty-first century, and things have been updated, so have discussions of racism, and racist devils, and the new strategies that are out there. And if racist devils don’t like what I’m saying TOO BAD!!! Because I was born for a time like this, and fools will just have to deal with me in the coming years, because I’m going no where!!
-Subjects like this are always going to split people. Everyone is going to boost his or her race up over the other. I am a proud Black man that loves his race (especially sweet Black women). I do not hate anyone since hate is the result of fear. Remember that the next time you tell someone you hate him or her.
*I don’t hate anyone really. I judge people as individuals, until I see traits that tell me otherwise. However, don’t confuse my anger and severe hatred that I have for those who are the enemies of black people, from without as well as within, with someone who’s a hater.
Having said all that, when all is said and done, whether I’m lying or telling the truth, in the end, TIME WILL TELL AND BEAR OUT EVERYTHING I’M SAYING! Again, prepare for the coming storm, and I’M OUT!