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Illinois gangs (Chicago area ONLY) I

Unread post by wessyde19 » June 21st, 2003, 10:37 pm

Does anybody know any crip or blood sets in chicago?

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Unread post by Fre$h » June 22nd, 2003, 8:18 pm

There are no west coast based sets opporating inside the city of Chicago. There's a lil wanna be click of asian kids that call themselves "Outlaw Bloods", but they're really homemade, not connected to Cali. There were some Crips who tried to move into the west side, back around '95-'96, but they got shut down rather quickly. The BPSN in Chicago doesn't honor the Blood Stone's from Cali either, it's a "smash on site" kind of situation. It'd be too hard for an out of town gang to set up shop in Chicago, because much like L.A., the city is already so densely populated with pre-existing gangs with a rich history.

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Unread post by bgcasper » June 27th, 2003, 10:16 am

yes but how do you explain new york? i mean they really had a gang of gangs back i the warrior days i mean back in the 70's you had south bronx 7 immortals ,the turbans ,those gang were fuccin deep ,even them basebal furies from the movie''warrior'' use to exist .

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Unread post by bake74 » June 27th, 2003, 1:44 pm

bgCASPERsscc there will never ever be bloods or crips in the Chi. Just like it will never be folks or people in LA.
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Unread post by la_chola » June 29th, 2003, 8:36 pm

Man, Chi-town has the craziest Gangs, The only thing is too many different gangs, they need to come together and emerged a lot of them into one, but i love my city for keeping it reallllllll!!!!! :x :x

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Unread post by C-rum » July 7th, 2003, 7:58 pm

I think the Crips and Bloods of L.A. are way more rowdier than the Diciples and Vice Lords of Chicago. Any time the issue of street gangs come up the Crips and Bloods are gonna be the 1st to be talked about versus the Chi-town gangs.

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Unread post by Fre$h » July 7th, 2003, 10:07 pm

C-rum wrote:I think the Crips and Bloods of L.A. are way more rowdier than the Diciples and Vice Lords of Chicago. Any time the issue of street gangs come up the Crips and Bloods are gonna be the 1st to be talked about versus the Chi-town gangs.


Hmmm...I'm thinking maybe you're saying this because you were affiliated with a west coast gang? Either way, it doesn't matter. Both cities have areas that are extremely dangerous. L.A. gangs are more popular because of movies, & rappers. That doesn't mean you can take either city lightly though.

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Unread post by C-rum » July 8th, 2003, 8:57 am

True I know Chi-Town aint no joke either. Like I said when the MC's 1st came up here Mpls. they took a hood over quick and all over the news and shi* . And that might be true that LA is more publicized but I still think the Crips and Bloods are more dedicated to gang-bangin the Chicago sets seem like their thing is more about drug-dealing

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Unread post by Fre$h » July 8th, 2003, 12:27 pm

C-rum wrote: I still think the Crips and Bloods are more dedicated to gang-bangin the Chicago sets seem like their thing is more about drug-dealing


Yea, you're right about that. Especially mobs like the GDs and VLs, all they worry about is distribution. As I've heard quite a few GDs say before "Bangin is bad for buisness".

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Unread post by C-rum » July 8th, 2003, 1:20 pm

Why do ya'll always say that your an organization? The white man classifies these knucclehead G.Ds and Vice Lords as gangs like everybody else ya'lls asses are lokced up in prison like everybody else ya'll do driveby shootings and sell drugs and throw up gang signs just like LA gangs so what makes you sooo much more organized and different. And stop lying about politics you might have a few paid off police officers but I dont see no Folks or Lords section in the U.N. building or wheres theyre seat on congress or senate I see ya'll hold a major position in the Cook County Jail though. But your lying to people and yourself when you start affiliating GDs and VLs in politics. They are GANGS now even if they didnt start off as one and if theyre not a gang this is the wrong place to be talkin about them. As for Gary its ruff there I have some people from Delaney Projects but theres even Shot Guns in Gary.

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Unread post by C-rum » July 9th, 2003, 9:34 am

I think your underestimating how deep some these sets are some sets by themselves can be called a nation it doesnt take all Crips and Bloods 2gether to be called 1 nation. Alot of Folks up here tried to claim Growth and Development until some real brothas from the Go checked they ass and told them Growth and Development aint got shi* to do with Gangsta Deciples its a positive group that Hoover started while in prison to correct the mistakes he made by starting the GDN if he was out he'd slap every last one of the so-called Gangsta Deciples. As for the FBI they only did that so they could indite high ranking members on Federal charges and give them longer prison sentences. Its no different then the injunctions they're doing in LA they label the gangs something that theyre not so when it comes time for sentencing they can lokc em up and throw away the key ya'll niggas better wake up the white man knows these gangs aint got shi* on the real M.O.B shi* the FBI is the real M.O.B its just part of real politics to keep us lokced up and smokin each other really a form of mental slavery if they want to they could lokc up every last BOS out there so please keep it real dont let them label you something your not. About Jeff Fort get the fucc out of here with that. Where would he keep them how would he develop them it took Saddam 10-15 yrs to attempt to make a nuclear warhead so hows a nigga from the hood gonna buy WMD from ANOTHER COUNTRY make them and store them and 2ndly do you know how much a nuclear weapon would cost, the vice lords wouldve went broke tryin to buy one where would they launch it from I hope people see how ridiculous these statements this brotha made are. Last if you aint got you folks or people in the senate,congress or even city council you not really in politics then. You might read about politics but without some1 in a position of power you voice for you org. doesnt mean shi* if their going to get into politics the better do it for the BLACK nation not GD or VL cuz aint no one voting for some knucclehead with ties to the GD's or Vice Lords. Thats it on this issue. Ima just say KEEP IT REAL. Nuclear weapons.lol :lol:

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Unread post by C-rum » July 9th, 2003, 2:14 pm

Now thats more believable but with the right connections he couldve got a roccet launcher in the US. I know when they 1st started they were organized and were political but they became currupt and went against everything they origanally stood for. I hear what your tryin to say now, but now im sorry to say the Folks and People nations are street gangs with not nearly the type organization they once had in the 70's and 80's you had to know lit and laws if not your own folks or bros would whoop yo ass now you got lil niggas that dont even know what the pitchforks stand for or what the briccs in the pyramid mean down south the GDs dont even have laws like in chicago.

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Unread post by Kountry » July 9th, 2003, 7:38 pm

He has a very big point cause these GDs down here know shit about real c's or b's or the chi sets

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Unread post by Fre$h » July 10th, 2003, 12:48 pm

C-rum wrote: About Jeff Fort get the fucc out of here with that. Where would he keep them how would he develop them it took Saddam 10-15 yrs to attempt to make a nuclear warhead so hows a nigga from the hood gonna buy WMD from ANOTHER COUNTRY make them and store them and 2ndly do you know how much a nuclear weapon would cost, the vice lords wouldve went broke tryin to buy one where would they launch it from I hope people see how ridiculous these statements this brotha made are.


Jeff Fort never tried to buy nuclear weapons. However, he was in the process of buying surface to air "stinger" missles from Khadafi, the leader of Lybia. This is a little part of a website that talks about what happened.


{Louis Farrakhan was the person that introduced Jeff Fort to the people in Lybia. They were thinking they were going to do some terrorist activity... And because they were not sophisticated enough and let, I mean it was really scandelous how the thing happened, I happened to be at that Saviour’s day when Farrakhan had Khadafi speak via satellite and brought some of the El Rukns up on the stage and said these are my " angels of death." Farrakhan was afraid that the government was about to get him like they got Malcolm and so he used the BlackStone Rangers as a shield. But they didn’t know what they were getting into.

Farrakhan introduced Jeff Fort and members of the Black Stones to members of the international commuity who were involved with Black nationalism and some were into terrorist activity. One of the connections was made between Farrakhan, Lybia's Khadafi, and Jeff Fort. On one visit to Lybia, Black stone Rangers were given a ground to air rocket launcher and brought it back to the United States. The CIA intercepted it and took the trigger device out of the rocket launcher and placed a tracking device in it. The Stones brought it back to the Headquarters and the Feds tracked it and busted the Fort, which was their headquarters on College Grove on 39th, right off of Oakwood and Drexl. They tore the building down.}

This information was copied from (http://www.uic.edu/orgs/kbc/ganghistory ... index.html) There is no copywrite information posted there, otherwise I would have listed it. Hope this helps to answer any questions about the situation.

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Gangster Disciples political ambitions

Unread post by Fre$h » July 10th, 2003, 9:38 pm

Here's an article that I found thanks to *B*'s Chicago based gang website(http://www.freewebs.com/chicagomobs/articles.html), discussing the Gangster Disciples. It touches on their political attributes, which is why I thought it was relevant. It's a bit long, but it is informative.


{Ann Scott Tyson, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

CHICAGO -- For 22 years, convicted murderer Larry ''King'' Hoover has reigned over the Gangster Disciples. From inside prison walls, he allegedly masterminded its ascent to one of America's most powerful and ruthless gangs: a 30,000-member, multimillion-dollar drug empire that stretches across 35 states.

Controlling entire housing tenements, schools, and streets, Mr. Hoover's blue-and-black clad foot soldiers have terrorized Chicago's inner city with murders and drive-by shootings over disputed drug turf, according to federal indictments. In recent years, Hoover has also allegedly schemed to strengthen the gang's political heft. He is accused of funneling drug proceeds to a gang-linked political group, backing political candidates, and rallying thousands of protesters in marches on City Hall.

But now all of Hoover's reputed criminal engineering could come crashing down around him. He and 38 top deputies and collaborators face drug conspiracy charges in federal court - which they deny. ''We've got the head of the snake,'' says Jack Hynes, the chief gang prosecutor for Chicago's Cook County.

Criminologists say the crackdown on the Gangster Disciples - if successful - would demonstrate the kind of long-term, sophisticated, and tightly coordinated law-enforcement campaign needed to bring down entrenched urban gangs.

At the same time, as street gangs grow in number and geographic reach nationwide, the trial of the Gangster Disciples offers a troubling inside look at one of America's most elaborate gang cultures. The story of the Gangster Disciples is one of the evolution of a tiny rebellious street gang into a huge sophisticated business - one, some experts say, reminiscent of organized-crime syndicates of an earlier era.

It reveals, ironically, how state prison walls can sometimes shield and buttress gang leaders. It also shows how powerful gangs can so dominate neighborhoods that residents turn to them for protection and support, ultimately giving them social and political legitimacy.

US prosecutors see the trial of Hoover and his chief allies as a first, potentially severe blow to the gang's top-down organization. They expect to see the gang leaders shipped to remote federal prisons, ''severely crippling'' the gang's hierarchy, vast drug-dealing network, and other criminal operations, according to US Attorney James Burns.

''This is the heart of the gangster nation, the top of the pyramid for the Chicagoland area,'' says Chicago police Commander Donald Hilbring.

Hoover's gang fortress began to crack in late 1993. For six weeks, federal agents successfully tape-recorded Hoover's conversations with key gang leaders by using reed-thin devices concealed inside visitors' badges at the state prison in Vienna, Ill.

In the meetings, Hoover bragged about his control over Chicago drug-sale ''spots,'' millions of dollars worth of weekly drug revenues, and the activities of the activist group 21st Century VOTE. He also unwittingly divulged details of the gang's strict hierarchy, according to transcripts of the tapes.

The information on the tapes, substantiated by high-ranking gang informers, culminated an unprecedented seven-year probe that penetrated the gang's innermost circle, leading to the indictment in August of Hoover and the 38 others.

Verdicts are expected this week in the first Gangster Disciples trial, which opened last month in a US district court in Chicago. The eight defendants include ranking gang leaders and former Chicago police gang unit officer Sonia Irwin, a girlfriend of Hoover's chief street lieutenant, Gregory ''Shorty G.'' Shell.

Hoover, Shell, and nine other gang leaders are scheduled to go on trial in October, following a second trial of 20 gang leaders in May. Meanwhile, another wave of indictments of middle-ranking Gangster Disciples is expected soon. ''Now we're going after the nuts and bolts of the operation,'' Commander Hilbring says.

Several of the defendants in the current trial presented little defense. Those who did argued, among other things, that being a member of a gang doesn't mean you're a criminal - or engaged in criminal activity.

Prosecutors and criminologists agree that ensuring Hoover is cut off from gang contacts in a distant prison is the hardest but most vital step in decimating the gang.

Violent roots
The Mississippi-born Hoover came of age on the violent streets of Chicago's South Side. By the age of 16, he had, by his own account, been shot six times by rival gangs. In 1973, Hoover was sentenced to a 150- to 200-year prison term for the brutal murder of reputed drug addict William Young, who was suspected of stealing drugs from the gang Hoover then belonged to, the Black Disciples.

In 1974, the jailed Hoover founded the breakaway Gangster Disciples (GDs) with about 60 followers.

Prison walls sheltered Hoover from the lethal streets, enabling him to emerge in isolation as an almost mythical commander of the militaristic gang. Worshiped in the official prayer of what the gang calls the ''nation,'' Hoover imposed gang law and meted out punishments, or ''violations,'' that ranged from fines to severe beatings and death, prosecutors charge.

Prosecutors say the constant flow of GDs through Illinois prisons allowed Hoover, also known as ''The Chairman,'' to enforce his mandates through two boards of directors - one inside and one outside prison - and a cadre of ''governors'' and ''regents'' on the streets.

Hoover's lawyer, Anita Rivkin Carothers, calls his taped statements ''fanciful.'' ''I think it's implausible that he's running the gang from jail,'' she says. ''Who's going to pay attention to a person locked up for 200 years?'' Hoover has been denied parole 13 times since 1983.

Ms. Carothers contends that Hoover has shunned crime, abandoning the GDs and founding a new group called ''Growth and Development'' to promote economic progress and political empowerment among youths in minority neighborhoods.

But federal prosecutors are apparently confident that Hoover's own words, along with the testimony of turncoat gang members and undercover police, will convince jurors otherwise.

Impact of convictions
Convicting the gang's top brass would create a power vacuum and likely lead the GDs to fragment into smaller, less efficient and less sophisticated groups more vulnerable to local law enforcement, says George Knox of the National Gang Crime Research Center at Chicago State University. Already, Chicago's South Side is quieter than usual, as the gang awaits the outcome of the trials. Gang members are selling drugs less brazenly and holding onto the money instead of sending it up the chain of command, police say.

Moreover, police say middle-ranking leaders are hesitant to step into the power void - especially since the murder in January of Charles Dorsey, a governor who attempted to take over the gang's day-to-day operations in Chicago last summer. If the gang splinters, drug supplies grow more tenuous, and morale and membership drops, ''hopefully,'' says Hilbring of the Chicago police, ''the chain will be broken.''}

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Re: Chicago Sets

Unread post by moonstomp » August 13th, 2003, 12:15 am

I think a lot of the difference between W. Coast and Chi-Town gangs has to do with gangs outside the range you guys are talking about. In addition to the People, the Folk, the Kings, the GDs, all that stuff, we have quite a historical and active gang city and region. We had the Mafia to start with, and as of right now, the KKK (kind of a gang, organized criminals at the least) and the World Church of the Creator are both based in Indiana, our neighbor to the East. They also both frequently rally in Skokie and Peoria respectively, both suburbs of Chicago. In addition, we have the Nation of Islam (an organized "religious" hate group). We also have several relatively small gangs that have spread across the country from within certain subcultures. For instance, Chi-Town Mafia Skinheads has either a chapter or affiliations in many major cities around the country. We also have had, in general, one of the more colorful skinhead (both WP/NS and non or anti-racist) gang histories in the country. We had the first WP crew (Chicago Area Skinheads) chased out of the city by the first anti-racist crew (Skinheads of Chicago). We have punk and skinhead crews that span political/gang/musical borders. In general, it's a pretty gang-heavy city. I think it's been hard enough for most local gangs to start up in Chicago. Importing new crews from the outside wouldn't be particualrly easy.

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Re: Chicago Sets

Unread post by Y.G. » August 13th, 2003, 2:25 am

TO RESPOND TO BAKE74: YOU MUST HAVE NEVER BEEN TO CALI ESPECIALLY THE L.A. AREA WHERE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR LIFE IN SPLIT SECOND. YOU ALSO SAY THAT THE BLACK P. STONES IN L.A. CAN'T COMPARE TO THE ONES IN CHICAGO WELL I DARE YOU TO GO THROUGHT THE JUNGLES AND I BET YOU THAT YOU WOULDN'T SURVIVE. NI99AZ BETTER START RESPECT US CALI NI99AZ.

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Re: Chicago Sets

Unread post by pico » August 13th, 2003, 6:45 am

I have been doing quite a bit of research and in terms of gangs, whether it be Mafia-style or Crip-Blood-Vicelords style, neither LA or Chicago invented gangs. Ever heard of Jesses James? Also, like Gangs of New York portrays, the USA has always had gangs with immigrants or citizens forming gangs and raising hell.

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Unread post by wcrockets » August 13th, 2003, 10:14 am

That's cool ghost. Thanks for sharing. And everyone reread the rules. No banging on the board, disrespect toward other members, or fighting here as per Mr. Alonso.

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Re: Chicago Sets

Unread post by BIG DUSTY LOCO » August 13th, 2003, 12:22 pm

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Ain't nobody trippin here, speak on it. Chitown and every other major city has their own gang problem, no doubt. I've met some cats from the Chi, they basically did the same thing we do out here, so I don't know whats there to brag about because I haven't seen a former homeboy/crip/blood/gangster become President of the United States. This forum is for information, don't mind the lil immature statements from some of these youngsters on this board. Netbanging is not gangbanging, so it don't matter. Speak on it...peace...

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » August 13th, 2003, 5:02 pm

Peace and respect to you Big Dusty Loco and Wrcockets. This is the only site I have came across that is about gangs and everyone isn't net-banging and talking out of their I will get banned. I hope you two keep doing what you're doing and spreading knowledge about the westcoast scene.

Peace to Alonso and BGCASPER and everyone else spreading that knowlege.

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Unread post by GrizzeL » August 14th, 2003, 12:42 am

I live in the sub of chicago. And I have heard that there were some small group of bloods called outlaw bloods but they only think they claim a couple streets now about the numbers of members of kings, vice lords or GD's the number for GD's are higher in the city because they are very public they want to make sure every member is known now the Vice Lords are not as big as you think they have of members that flip or just go away and the Latin Kings are the only gang that have members that are very public but if it wasn't for its not known members or its
wanna-bes the gang would not have as much power. But mostly I think the crips are bloods are alot different then the gangs in chicago for one thing some sets of bloods fight bloods and some sets of crips fight crips. And maybe I don't understand the meaning of the names but in chicago you dont rivals with the same gang and if you do they don't make it public because that would make them look weak by not being able to control there own gang and the whole point of Folks and Peoples was to help the people in prison to make more money before there was the 2 alliences it was mostly based on race well mostly besides the big fighting between the Imperial Gangsters and the Latin Kings

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Unread post by Y.G. » August 14th, 2003, 1:38 am

TO RESPOND TO GHOST YOU DON'T THINK L.A. EVER LED THE NATION IN MURDER'S COME ON NOW, LEADING THE NATION IN MURDERS DON'T MEAN NOTHIN.

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Unread post by GrizzeL » August 14th, 2003, 4:04 am

oh and last year ghost my city beat yours and my city only got about 150,000 people so there is nothing to brag about ok? and we just 40 miles away from you so don't even try to make a bad name for people from the mid-west

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » August 14th, 2003, 8:03 am

To YG and Grizzle: When did I ever say leading the nation in murders meant anything? I stated Chicago has led the nation in murders many times and Gary led the nation a lot in the 90's. Then my comment was not [b]boasting or bragging just stating facts.[/b] What does that comment have to do with stating LA has never been the murder captital? Then Grizzel what are you talking about don't make the midwest look bad? There are a lot of people that might not even heard of Gary, Indiana or they don't know how the midwest gang scene is this was letting people know there or gangsters losing their lives everywhere and not just on the westcoast including Memphis, Detroit, Minnesota, and Lil Rock. Again this is not about what city or hood or region is more viscious than the other that comment was just facts. Damn quit netbanging is not that serious.

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Unread post by wcrockets » August 14th, 2003, 8:35 am

Really nobody is impressed when you try to act hard on a message board. There isn't a lot that we haven't seen in our lifetimes around here and we just look down on that thinking you are most likely an immature kid.

Also, try taking the all caps button off on your keyboard as that protocol means you are yelling everything you say at the top of your lungs.

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