ORANGE x COUNTY HISPANIC GANG LIST

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Unread post by richjesus » December 13th, 2007, 3:58 pm

i was cruising through GG, and saw SMC tagged up around a few neighborhoods as i cruised through my cousins house. anyone kno whose hood tag this is? any help is appreciated.

saw it posted on a few walls, and on a stop sign "can't stop SMC" etc.

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Unread post by Bank Robber » January 1st, 2008, 4:22 pm

I didn't see Crow Village in there, anybody know if Folks outta buena park/anaheim(not sure) are still around? Cypress Flats definitely used to be around I knew an OG from there named Spider, they no longer exist, for awhile they beefed with Hawaiin Gardens, than became friends, this was like back in the early 80's, but no doubt Cypress Flats is old school(cypress,CA). I used to live right across the street that seperated HG from Cypress(dividing line between LA and OC in that area).

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Unread post by Bank Robber » January 1st, 2008, 4:30 pm

Hey Rich Jesus, yeah you wanted to know about SMC, that's Sick Minded Criminals.

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Unread post by Bank Robber » January 1st, 2008, 8:26 pm

Lone Wolf you wanted to know about where Barrio Pobre's from, well there commonly called B. Pobre at least when they hit up walls, and this was years ago but there from near buena park area, I went to OrangeView school and they started around that area. As far as are they connected to Long Beach B. Pobre, I doubt it, LB is apart of LA county and buena park is OxC'n it.Not written in stone but you know what I mean. BR

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Unread post by richjesus » January 4th, 2008, 7:51 pm

Bank Robber wrote:Hey Rich Jesus, yeah you wanted to know about SMC, that's Sick Minded Criminals.
good lookin out, thx for the knowledge. i dunno much about the mexican sets in OC n watnot.

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Unread post by twocost » January 4th, 2008, 8:27 pm

You forgot one in Fullerton Varrio Valencia, I'm pretty sure they still active.

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Unread post by atm//TONE » May 13th, 2008, 2:57 pm

Lonewolf wrote:
WHICH OF THESE O.C. BARRIOS/GANGS ARE MOST OLDEST...
Some that I know....

LOPERS
DELHI
FIFTH STREET
FxTROOP
LOGAN
PLASX3
MIDWAY CITY
LA HABRA CAMPO
PENGUIN CITY
LOS COYOTES
ORANGE V CYPRESS
ANAHEIM LA COLONIA
CROW VILLAGE
TOKERS TOWN
los coyotes is boo boo they got like 2 active members they dont come outside they too scared of ESBP and thats just sad

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Unread post by cixxwonn » June 27th, 2008, 5:06 am

does baker street still claim crip?
have you ever heard a gang called L.A.D.S.?

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Unread post by richjesus » September 3rd, 2009, 7:48 pm

what are the most active mexican gangs in OC by city?

i kno a bunch got hit wid the injunctions early 2000, wondering if those gangs still real active?

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Unread post by elyenny714 » September 9th, 2009, 10:40 am

NOWADAYS THERES ALOT OF TAGGER CREWS OUT HERE ESPECIALLY IN SANTANA BUT LOPERS ARE VERY ACTIVE AND THEY ARE LIKE MS IN LA A BUNCH OF PAISAS ALSO DELHI HAS BEEN BACK ON THE SCENE AFTER FOOLS GOT OUT FROM BEING BUSTED IN THE 90S THEY HAD A REP FOR BEING TECATOS . F-TROOP IS A VERY STRONG VARRIO AND HAS THE MOST INFLUENCE IN THE JOINT. FULLERTON IS TOKERS TOWN ANAHEIM HAS AVLS OUT THERE WESTMINSTER HAS WEST 13 GARDEN GROVE HAS HARD TIMES ORANGE HAS OVC BEEFING WITH OCC THE CRIMINALS . ALSO MOST HOODS DO USE STREET OUT HERE INSTEAD OF CALLE.

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 18th, 2010, 10:16 pm

I saw a vato from OC that had -HAX3- tattoeod on his arm. What OC varrio is that? Maybe an LA varrio? I know a lot of LA cats move to OC to calm down.

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Unread post by triplethreat » April 19th, 2010, 1:22 am

^There is a tagging crew in OC called HA/HAK. There used to be a click in LA a long time back in the 90's. Not sure if they're still in LA tho. It wouldn't surprise me if some HA heads started banging. Some tagging crews have a tagging side and a gang side. HA- Hells Angels, High Always, Heavily Armed Killers.

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 19th, 2010, 1:50 am

triplethreat wrote:^There is a tagging crew in OC called HA/HAK. There used to be a click in LA a long time back in the 90's. Not sure if they're still in LA tho. It wouldn't surprise me if some HA heads started banging. Some tagging crews have a tagging side and a gang side. HA- Hells Angels, High Always, Heavily Armed Killers.

Definately not 81

This was a staight ese.

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Unread post by buLLetxx2 » April 19th, 2010, 1:16 pm

19DAGO04 wrote:
triplethreat wrote:^There is a tagging crew in OC called HA/HAK. There used to be a click in LA a long time back in the 90's. Not sure if they're still in LA tho. It wouldn't surprise me if some HA heads started banging. Some tagging crews have a tagging side and a gang side. HA- Hells Angels, High Always, Heavily Armed Killers.

Definately not 81

This was a staight ese.
HA x3 is Harbor Area(Long Beach, Torrance, Wilmington, Lomita, Carson, Harbor City, etc), dude probably moved to OC from there because I've never heard of any hood that goes by HA in the OC.

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Unread post by 19DAGO04 » April 19th, 2010, 2:05 pm

buLLetxx2 wrote:
19DAGO04 wrote:
triplethreat wrote:^There is a tagging crew in OC called HA/HAK. There used to be a click in LA a long time back in the 90's. Not sure if they're still in LA tho. It wouldn't surprise me if some HA heads started banging. Some tagging crews have a tagging side and a gang side. HA- Hells Angels, High Always, Heavily Armed Killers.

Definately not 81

This was a staight ese.
HA x3 is Harbor Area(Long Beach, Torrance, Wilmington, Lomita, Carson, Harbor City, etc), dude probably moved to OC from there because I've never heard of any hood that goes by HA in the OC.
Makes sense to me now cause the vato had a shirt on with a LB baseball logo on it. Kind of like the Padres and Dodgers logo.

thanks bullet

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Unread post by GGTearorist » April 21st, 2010, 12:03 pm

Lonewolf wrote:Here is my compiled list - start up with the feedback homies.

~~~~~~~~"SANTANA"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BSSA BARRIO SOUTH SIDE SANTA ANA
ESSA EAST SIDE SANTA ANA
WSSA WEST SIDE SANTA ANA
MSSA MIDDLE SIDE SANTA ANA
C17 CALLE SEVENTEEN
C7 CALLE SIETE
C6 CALLE SEIS
FSR FIFTH STEET RIFA
LM LIL MINNIE - MADISON PARK
BM BIG MINNIE - MADISON PARK
BST BISHOP STREET
SLV SULLIVAN STREET
FTR F x TROOP
FTR ARTESIA STREET
FTR EL SALVADOR PARK
FTR SOUTH SIDE
LPS LOPERS TOWNERS STREET
LPS LOPERS 17 STREET
D13 DELHI 13 LOS ACES
DBS WEST SIDE DIABLOS
MPLS MEXICAN PRIDE LOCOS
EK13 EVIL KIDS 13
CST CHERRY STREET
ALS ALLEY LOCOS
ABR ALLEY BOYS RIFA
WCM WEST CALLE MYRTLE
CMR CENTRO MYRTLE RIFA
LGN BARRIO LOGAN
CHR CALLE HIGHLAND RIFA
CTR CALLE TOWNSEND RIFA
LCR WEST SIDE LOS COMPADRES RIFA
GWR GOLDEN WEST RIFA
LCS/LCSA LOS CROOKS SANTA ANA
LHG LIL HOOD GANG
SAR SILVER ACRES RIFA
CWR CALLE WALNUT RIFA
LBR LIL BROOK RIFA
BCSA BLAD CRIMINALS SANTA ANA
MCST MACLAY STREET
UBC UNITED BY CRIME
BNK BROWN NATION KINGS
LTR LIL TOWN RIFA
BTR BIG TOWN RIFA
BCSA BUENA CLINTON SANTA ANA
???? SANTANA DRIFTERS
~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~
~~~~~~~~~~"ANACRIME"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ATC ANAHEIM TRAVELERS CITY
APC ANAHEIM PENGUIN CITY
AJC ANAHEIM JUNGLE CITY
SSK SOUTH SIDE KROOKS LOS BAGOS
AFG ANAHEIM FOLKS GANG
LC LA COLONIA
LF LA FABRICA
AVLS ANAHEIM VATOS LOCOS
WSA WICKED SIDE ANACRIME
ESA EVIL SIDE ANACRIME
APST ANAHEIM PAULINE STREET
AJST ANAHEIM JEFFERY STREET aka: BARRIO TIJUANITA
ACST ANAHEIM CITRON STREET CHICOS MALOS
AUST ANAHEIM UNDERHILL STREET
ACV ANAHEIM CALLE VERMONT
ABST ANAHEIM BARRIO SMALL TOWN
ACK AHANEIM CALLE KROEGGE
KST ANAHEIM KODIAK STREET
HST HOMERS STREET
RST RUTGERS STREET
VST VALLEY STREET
BFTH BOYS FROM THE HOOD
ADC ANAHEIM DELINCUENTES CLIKA
MDG MALOS DELINCUENTES GANG
LTBS LATIN BOYS
???? ANAHEIM PACIFICO
???? ANAHEIM DRIFTERS
~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"
~~~~~~~~~~~" F U L A S "~~~~~~~~~~~~
FTT FULLERTON TOKERS TOWN
SGF SUICIDAL GANG FULLERTON aka: FULLERTON SUICIDALS
FFR FRONTERA FLATS RIFA
ESF EAST SIDE FULAS
WFH WEST FULAS HONDO 13
BSBZ BAKER STREET BOYZ
FTN FULLERTON TIEMPOS NUEVOS aka: NEW TIMES
~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" T H E " R E S T "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HTR HARD TIMES RIFA - GARDEN GROVE
SSHB SOUTH SIDE HUNTINGTON BEACH PLAYEROS
OTSJB OLD TOWN SAN JUAN BOYS
CJ COLONIA JUAREZ - FOUNTAIN VALLEY
CF CALLE FLORES - FOUNTAIN VALLEY
SCVC SAN CLEMENTE VARRIO CHICO
BBR BARRIO BROWN REVOLUTION - TUSTIN
CS CALLE SHALIMAR - COSTA MESA
ES19ST EAST SIDE NINETEEN ST - COSTA MESA
ECM EAST SIDE COSTA MESA
CMP CAMPO - LA HABRA
MNS MONIS - LAHABRA
ESLH EAST SIDE LA HABRA
WSLH WEST SIDE LA HABRA
WST WARD STREET - LA HABRA
DS DIABLOS - BUENA PARK - EAST SIDE BUENA PARK
LC LOS COYOTES - BUENA PARK - WEST SIDE BUENA PARK
CV CROW VILLAGE - STANTON / BUENA PARK
BSTN BIG STANTONE
LSTN LIL STANTONE
OVC ORANGE VARRIO CYPRESS ASSASSINS
OVL ORANGE VARRIO LEMON STREET
OKM ORANGE KRAZY MALDITOS aka: BARRIO VIEJO
WHLS WICKED HOODLUMS LOKOTES - ORANGE
VMC VARRIO MIDWAY CITY NITEOWLS
W13 WEST TRECE - WESTMINSTER
OPHS ORPHANS - WESTMINSTER
CP CALLE PEARL - EL MODENA
VML VARRIO MODENA LOCOS - EL MODENA
VLJ VARRIO LA JOYA - PLACENTIA
PVL PLASCENCIA VATOS LOCOS - PLACENTIA
ATD ATWOOD 13 - PLACENTIA
VPR VILLA PARK RIFA
RVL SOUTH SIDE RAZA VIA LOMAS - LAGUNA HILLS
OCS ORANGE COUNTY SUICIDALS - GARDEN GROVE

"BELOW LIST UNKNOWN WHERE AT"

OCC ORANGE COUNTY CRIMINALS
OCLS ORANGE COUNTY LOCOS
LTK LIL TRAVIEZO KIDS aka: LOS TRAVIESOS
HHS HEAD HUNTERS
LW LOS WICKEDS
LS LOS SICKOS
BULS BARRIO 1 LOCOS aka: LA UNA
DH WEST SIDE DEVIOUS HOODLUMS
APG AZTEC PRIDE GANG
DFW DOWN FAMILIA WICKED SOLDIERS

"BELOW LIST UNKNOWN IF REAL"

CRAZY CARTEL
BROWN SIDE
BROWNS TOWN
CLOWN TOWN
DOG TOWN
CRIMINAL TOWN
BACK ALLEY
LOS PELONES
PEE WEES
TINY LOCOS
RUDE BOYS
THE BOYS
LOCO MEXICAN STYLE
EVIL KINGS
HERB KINGS
KRIMINALS ON THE RUN
SOUTH SIDE KRIMINALS
CHICANOS KICKING ASS
RISKING IT ALL
FAMILY MOB/FAMILIA MAFIOSA
FAMILY FLATS
CYPRESS FLATS
O.C. DEATH SQUAD
2 FOCK'N SICK
9 STREET
22 STREET
___________GARDEN GROVE________________
TWO FUCKEN SICK -2FS
HARD TIMES -HTR
PLAYBOYS -PBS
CRIMINAL TOWN -VCRTLS
WICKED MINDS -WM
PALMA VISTA -PVST
DOWN CROWD -DCR
LOCO MEXICAN STYLE -LMS
ORGANIZED CRIME -OXC
EASTSIDE GARDEN GROVE -ESGG
WESTSIDE GARDEN GROVE WSGG
LAGUNA STREET -LGN ST
STREET FAMILY GANG -SFG
BASTARD FAMILY -BF
TRASK STREET
WICKED ONES

JUST SOME OF THE ONES IVE HEARD AND SEEN TAGGS BY

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Unread post by stoked18 » July 13th, 2011, 6:12 am

I met a dude down in San Diego that said he was in a gang called Pearl Street in O.C. Anyone heard of it?

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Unread post by triplethreat » July 18th, 2011, 12:54 am

^Check out the other topic on here called "OC area". I posted something about Pearl on there.

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Unread post by triplethreat » August 12th, 2011, 4:03 am

I came across this LA Times article from 1993. It lists some active gangs in OC during that time period. Not all gangs active at the time are included. And some of the gangs on here are now defunct.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-28/ ... gang-crime

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Unread post by buLLetxx2 » August 12th, 2011, 3:59 pm

Oddly enough a lot of those hoods are still active or, at the very least, still around but lack in numbers.

Looks like the majority of those on the list which are inactive or straight defunct are either Asian or Black(as in C and B), a lot of those crip and blood hoods in the OC fell out right around that time because a lot of them were mixed black and mexican, many having a majority of mexican members, which obviously became quick to be frowned upon right around the time the list was made.

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Unread post by SLClicka » August 28th, 2011, 8:07 pm

Panik is right.. though Calle and St is generally interchangeable in terms of voicing their gang, in the tattoos and the initials some of them go by are ST. For example GoldenWest St is GWst, never CGW. Highland Street is HST, I've never seen it CH... and many more.

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Unread post by buLLetxx2 » August 29th, 2011, 10:07 am

SLClicka wrote:Panik is right.. though Calle and St is generally interchangeable in terms of voicing their gang, in the tattoos and the initials some of them go by are ST. For example GoldenWest St is GWst, never CGW. Highland Street is HST, I've never seen it CH... and many more.
And then, from time to time to see those gorked out hit ups like "Calle Pauline Street" hahaha.
I've seen shit like that more than a few times in the OC.

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Unread post by Ocsfinest » January 1st, 2016, 3:10 pm

anyone got info on OC gang "jeffrey street' in anaheim...

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Unread post by playermadecholo » January 2nd, 2016, 12:46 pm

WHAT ABOUT VARRIO MEMORY LANE 13 IN NORTHSIDE SANTANA MORRISON PARK?

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Unread post by SiouxLakota » February 15th, 2016, 2:05 am

City of Orange
Orange Varrio Cypress
Orange County Criminals
Varrio Modena Loco
Calle Perla Loco
Brown Town
Orange Krazy Malditos

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Unread post by SiouxLakota » February 15th, 2016, 2:14 am

Yeah FOLKS still active. They got 3 neighborhoods. Two in Anaheim and 1 in Buena Park. But they don't claim Buena Park. just. Anaheim. FOLKS got hit with the injunction in 2011. But it doesn't cover their varrio in BP

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Unread post by SiouxLakota » February 15th, 2016, 2:16 am

Jeffrey Strest doesn't exist no more. Their neighborhood got tore down. And built a new neighborhood with different street names. But Jeffrey Street the gang still is active. In the same area

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Unread post by SiouxLakota » February 15th, 2016, 2:20 am

Ocsfinest wrote:anyone got info on OC gang "jeffrey street' in anaheim...
Yeah Jeffrey Stree doesnt exist no more. They their neighborhood got demolished and built new apartments. They also got the gang injunction. Jeffrey st. The gang still exists. Just not the actual street

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Unread post by SiouxLakota » February 17th, 2016, 11:14 pm

Anaheim Varrios
Anaheim Citron St.
Anaheim Vermont St.
Anaheim Jeffrey St.
Anaheim Pauline St.
Anaheim Pacific St.
Anaheim Folks
Anaheim Barrio Pobre
Anaheim Travelers City
Anaheim Down Familia of Wicked Soldiers
Anaheim Jungle City
Anaheim Penguin City
Anaheim SouthSide Krooks
Anaheim Barrio Small Town
Anaheim HeadHunters
Anaheim Kodiak St.
Anaheim Barrio Uno
Anaheim Vatos Locos
Anaheim Kroeger St.
WestSide Anaheim
Eastside Anaheim
Anaheim Chicanos Killing All Brown Familia
Anaheim SouthSide Brown Demons
Anaheim Brownwood Ave
Anaheim Valley St.
Anaheim Drifters
Anaheim La Colonia
Anaheim Devious Hoodlums
Anaheim Boys From The Hood
Anaheim Underhill St.
Anaheim La Fabrica
Thats all i can think of at the top of my head...theres more though

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