STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

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Unread post by pistolslanga » April 16th, 2007, 1:47 pm

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I wanna know how in the fu-- you can compare the gang life of places like LA-LB COMPTON and shit with the life you live in those lil towns were picking cherries and cow tipping is the big thing??come on man the north is a big suburb!! the first establised gangs in USa were in LA with the shit still there!!! you guys didnt start till the 70s how the fu-- you got a history?and about you guys being few and walking the yard??wtf.MAn come on! you only walk the yard becuz WE let you!!in all regards no disrespect intended but NORTES are low on our enemies list.OUr true enemigas are BLACKS -period!WE are a straight racist set,and everytime I seen norte in the 10s or so and about 60 SURENOS we dont trip because -we view you fools as mexicans-even though you got it real twisted! but believe me the homies go out there way to regulate NORTES with braids and gold teeth -them the ones we hate!!NAh man we could take you gusy out in every pen in the south -we have the numbers -we just choose NOT TO!!another thing-when you guys are deep and we few THEN you guys wanna trip!!! like in Folsome and VACAVILLE--nah man the homies still trsh yall--you guys just aint got the organization --history---and connects like the SUR-you fools didnt organize your gangs on the outside till SUR did it--even your leaders -admit they took that idea from US--but anyways you mexican -kinda-so im done
Me* Let me correct a lot of your B.S. First of all, cow tipping is the thing in small towns in the South & Midwest, not NorCal. Hell, L.A was a big suburb when Frisco (San Francisco) was a lively city once a upon a time. wrong, L.A doesn't have the first street gangs in the US only the oldest active ones. California was not even a state when street gangs were already ongoing. though, you may be right on NorCal gangs starting in the 70's. probably sometime after the NF started. before then... I'm assumming than it was just neighborhood guys hanging out getting into a fight every now and then, nothing to serious. (not for sure though) if you knew anything, you'd know that the Northerners are the Southerners fiercest ememy despite what's going on in the L.A area with Blacks. braids and gold teeth, not need apply around my way. In Folsom right now the Northern Mexican Population is not allowed to be together. I wonder why, huh? cause they're weak? don't think so! yeah, some L.A varrios are much older, and? and yeah L.A has got more history then NorCal on the gang tip but lets not act has if L.A wasn't inspired from EL Paso.
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chill the conceited scrappa cant stop wont stop, not at bangin but at runnin his mouth.

norteno's deep as fuck in the pen, they hold their own, not because some sur's LET them, and vico if you EVER walked the yard youd know this, that nobody controls anyone, you join a side and that side has a sect, sometimes the 2 sects collide and fight, this aint no sur rulin all shit muthafucka.

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Unread post by pistolslanga » April 16th, 2007, 1:50 pm

most these sur's nowadays are coward ass muthafuckas, back in the day them fools were raw, real, and had honor, nowadays muthafuckas just shooting innocent victims and actin hard, goin to the pen and still not tryna use their hands, always tryna find ways to get a weapon.

muthafuckin seen a video buncha sur's gettin soap and puttin it in socks and black fools just runnin up to em and bombin on em with fists.

got no respect for this new generation of sureno's.

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Unread post by ~J~ » April 16th, 2007, 3:00 pm

pistolslanga wrote:most these sur's nowadays are coward ass muthafuckas, back in the day them fools were raw, real, and had honor, nowadays muthafuckas just shooting innocent victims and actin hard, goin to the pen and still not tryna use their hands, always tryna find ways to get a weapon.

muthafuckin seen a video buncha sur's gettin soap and puttin it in socks and black fools just runnin up to em and bombin on em with fists.

got no respect for this new generation of sureno's.
WTF happened to the Sureno Homeboy as far as what I hear? They use to have as much honor if not more than everyone else in this banging thing. Is the EME brainwashing them so much they can't see straight? now I'm no saying that some Surenos don't have honor. although, I don't agree with it but on the prison side... prison is prison... one must expect anything. but you know... what are you gonna do...

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » September 24th, 2007, 11:48 am

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I wanna know how in the fu-- you can compare the gang life of places like LA-LB COMPTON and shit with the life you live in those lil towns were picking cherries and cow tipping is the big thing??come on man the north is a big suburb!! the first establised gangs in USa were in LA with the shit still there!!! you guys didnt start till the 70s how the fu-- you got a history?and about you guys being few and walking the yard??wtf.MAn come on! you only walk the yard becuz WE let you!!in all regards no disrespect intended but NORTES are low on our enemies list.OUr true enemigas are BLACKS -period!WE are a straight racist set,and everytime I seen norte in the 10s or so and about 60 SURENOS we dont trip because -we view you fools as mexicans-even though you got it real twisted! but believe me the homies go out there way to regulate NORTES with braids and gold teeth -them the ones we hate!!NAh man we could take you gusy out in every pen in the south -we have the numbers -we just choose NOT TO!!another thing-when you guys are deep and we few THEN you guys wanna trip!!! like in Folsome and VACAVILLE--nah man the homies still trsh yall--you guys just aint got the organization --history---and connects like the SUR-you fools didnt organize your gangs on the outside till SUR did it--even your leaders -admit they took that idea from US--but anyways you mexican -kinda-so im done
Me* Let me correct a lot of your B.S. First of all, cow tipping is the thing in small towns in the South & Midwest, not NorCal. Hell, L.A was a big suburb when Frisco (San Francisco) was a lively city once a upon a time. wrong, L.A doesn't have the first street gangs in the US only the oldest active ones. California was not even a state when street gangs were already ongoing. though, you may be right on NorCal gangs starting in the 70's. probably sometime after the NF started. before then... I'm assumming than it was just neighborhood guys hanging out getting into a fight every now and then, nothing to serious. (not for sure though) if you knew anything, you'd know that the Northerners are the Southerners fiercest ememy despite what's going on in the L.A area with Blacks. braids and gold teeth, not need apply around my way. In Folsom right now the Northern Mexican Population is not allowed to be together. I wonder why, huh? cause they're weak? don't think so! yeah, some L.A varrios are much older, and? and yeah L.A has got more history then NorCal on the gang tip but lets not act has if L.A wasn't inspired from EL Paso.
[/quote] There's cowtipping in the North, but that fool was still trippin'

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Unread post by siccmade 209 » March 1st, 2008, 4:56 pm

Who ever said Surenos only run in packs thats not true i used to be a Sureno theres down ones then theres lame ass fools (why i left) they are the hardest gang in Cali. nortenos are all copy cats from them, first nortenos had there little stupid mongolians and the Surenos were bald now the nortes copyed them. The only thing that separates them now is nortenos try to act more black. The other thing i noticed is that Nortenos are scared when there alone or outnumbered they only try to bang on youngsters or if they have an advantage most of the Surenos I knew were down even outnumbered. I knew some dude who killed a norteno, they had bats dude had 2 guys with him the nortenos thought they had the upper hand then dude pulled a rifle and shot him, his homies ran off and left there friend to bleed to death once they drove away they never even came back to check on there guy. Im not saying theres no down nortenos but the Surenos are more down all together. The streets aint no card game theres no rules thats why its a gang they "GANG UP" for protection I used to think that was just the way it was but myself, id rather stand up by myself like a man and get beat down then have other people handle my shit for me and own me i own ME!!! Meth ruined it now homies could be down as fuck one minute and stab there own dudes in the back the next and i hate how gangs try to hype up there side they cant tell it like it is. Heres evidence of whos winning the nortenos are only in the Northern part of Cali the Surenos have clicks all through the U.S. and in L.A. theres no nortes there cuz theyed be taken out but look at Nor Cal theres still Surenos in some places more and thats there HOOD!!! XIV more like HIV good luck though to all the bangers just lettin yall know there aint no gold at the end of that rainbow only death or Jail :) u might not agree now but ull see ;)

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » March 1st, 2008, 5:32 pm

siccmade 209 wrote:Who ever said Surenos only run in packs thats not true i used to be a Sureno theres down ones then theres lame ass fools (why i left) they are the hardest gang in Cali. nortenos are all copy cats from them, first nortenos had there little stupid mongolians and the Surenos were bald now the nortes copyed them. The only thing that separates them now is nortenos try to act more black. The other thing i noticed is that Nortenos are scared when there alone or outnumbered they only try to bang on youngsters or if they have an advantage most of the Surenos I knew were down even outnumbered. I knew some dude who killed a norteno, they had bats dude had 2 guys with him the nortenos thought they had the upper hand then dude pulled a rifle and shot him, his homies ran off and left there friend to bleed to death once they drove away they never even came back to check on there guy. Im not saying theres no down nortenos but the Surenos are more down all together. The streets aint no card game theres no rules thats why its a gang they "GANG UP" for protection I used to think that was just the way it was but myself, id rather stand up by myself like a man and get beat down then have other people handle my shit for me and own me i own ME!!! Meth ruined it now homies could be down as fu-- one minute and stab there own dudes in the back the next and i hate how gangs try to hype up there side they cant tell it like it is. Heres evidence of whos winning the nortenos are only in the Northern part of Cali the Surenos have clicks all through the U.S. and in L.A. theres no nortes there because theyed be taken out but look at Nor Cal theres still Surenos in some places more and thats there HOOD!!! XIV more like HIV good luck though to all the bangers just lettin yall know there aint no gold at the end of that rainbow only death or Jail :) u might not agree now but ull see ;)
Blah blah blah, if I was banging still I'd say still sound like a scrap & Nortenos would say what you said about Nortenos in vice versa.

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Unread post by TVo » March 5th, 2008, 4:14 pm

Actually there are nortenos throught the US now as well, not as prolific as Surenos however. The wananbe Surenos that sprouted accross the country naturally created their own enemies when their enemies banded together to fight back. The only natural thing to do was bang the exact opposite of Sur, they banged norte,red and 14.
Do your research, Nortenos are in Oregon, Washington, Texas, Colorado, Montana, Illinois, Florida. All you have to do is google.

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Unread post by siccmade 209 » March 22nd, 2008, 9:02 pm

I guess they would... i noticed i still sound like a Sureno. You said scrap thats a thing a buster would say see i could say the same... its all good though that dont get too me no more but i guess i still have some animosity from back in the day but its all good i know im not bangin no more 8) and i have respect for all gangsters its a hard life dog, hard for the person bangin and 4 the familys enduring it im glad i left it behind but i still get like this once in a while :twisted: :!:

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Unread post by andrew » April 1st, 2008, 8:35 pm

i never heard of no nortenos out here except the ones in supermax.....................and maybe the administrative seg ones from cali who ended up in our prison system.....but i doubt they do much here.........................the homegrown gangs here would kill them

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 2nd, 2008, 10:17 am

andrew wrote:i never heard of no nortenos out here except the ones in supermax.....................and maybe the administrative seg ones from cali who ended up in our prison system.....but i doubt they do much here.........................the homegrown gangs here would kill them
Maybe I'd believe that, if there wasn't someone outsiders there. DJ Quik said "Denver, they want to be like Compton".

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Unread post by ~J~ » April 2nd, 2008, 11:51 am

I got a homie who's got family from the Denver area that claim Norte.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » April 2nd, 2008, 3:15 pm

~J~ wrote:I got a homie who's got family from the Denver area that claim Norte.
I am sure you do. A lot of Californians moved to CO.. I probably even know some Nortenos there, but I can't say for sure at the moment. I do know some Nortenos moved out to CO, including some I knew.

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Unread post by andrew » April 2nd, 2008, 7:07 pm

i aint sayin they arent out here....im sayin theyre not bangin and if they are they arent a factor

and yeah dj qwik got beat down in denver twice thats why he made that tune................................my ex is from san jose and she claims her baby's dad was some hi rankin shot caller in nf........i only been with her once to san jo........all i know is jacks pizza and garden palace casino as well as a few dance clubs because thats the only places she took me

and i know alot of nf got locked here in supermax.....along with john gotti,vincent the chin, raymond patriarcha and king blood..........................its some prison in florence thats underground,,,,under a fuckin mountain

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Gangbangers of all pedigrees--- Nortenos and Surenos +

Unread post by Working_Homie_of_da_hood » May 10th, 2008, 11:06 am

I am "the workin homie of my hood" an I done think that ALL OF YOU NEED TO GO BACK---to whence you came. If you do not return to your little ranchitos in Mejico, I think that we need to make participation IN ANY CRIMINAL GANG ---even "small"? misdeamenaor crimes--you need to be arrested and will be given ONE CHOICE. A free trip BACK TO MEXICO on a nice cattle car---we will feed you food and water---like any animal. But when you get to Mexico--NO MORE WELFFARE ---and freebies. You will be forced to say goodbye to your prison lovers---sorry about that- Your real reason for gangs is to hide your "gender lifestyle and gender preference". Queens are not wanted in the barrios---but adored in state prisons. The other choice would be to be to ship you to a deserted ICE covered Island with minimal food plenty of water, so you can cool off. I would suggest the death penalty, but I wouldnt want to waste the time, expense of burying, or chemicals on you. GO BACK!! GO BACK----

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Unread post by Working_Homie_of_da_hood » May 10th, 2008, 7:47 pm

I sed go back Mexicano norteno and sureno garbage. Ud es todos loco. GO BACK ---> GO BACK----->GO BACK. Go back to Mexico way. My style is the mexican butt kicking style. Here it is YO fool.

http://www.aztlan.net/texico.htm SEZ IT ALL:

So long, Texas! Hello, Mexico
I'm gonna swim the Rio Grande
At El Paso
I'm leavin' tonight
I ain't gonna pack
I'm only takin' the clothes on my back
I'll drive a rattletrap car
With no liability
I'll demand equal rights Though I'm there illegally
I'll protest in the streets
'Til they finally grant 'em
Sing English words
To their national anthem

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Unread post by StillNoScript » May 10th, 2008, 11:57 pm

I'd agree with you, Working Homie, if we send all white criminals back to Europe, as well.

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Re: Gangbangers of all pedigrees--- Nortenos and Surenos +

Unread post by ~J~ » May 11th, 2008, 3:48 pm

Working_Homie_of_the_hood wrote:I am "the workin homie of my hood" an I done think that ALL OF YOU NEED TO GO BACK---to whence you came. If you do not return to your little ranchitos in Mejico, I think that we need to make participation IN ANY CRIMINAL GANG ---even "small"? misdeamenaor crimes--you need to be arrested and will be given ONE CHOICE. A free trip BACK TO MEXICO on a nice cattle car---we will feed you food and water---like any animal. But when you get to Mexico--NO MORE WELFFARE ---and freebies. You will be forced to say goodbye to your prison lovers---sorry about that- Your real reason for gangs is to hide your "gender lifestyle and gender preference". Queens are not wanted in the barrios---but adored in state prisons. The other choice would be to be to ship you to a deserted ICE covered Island with minimal food plenty of water, so you can cool off. I would suggest the death penalty, but I wouldnt want to waste the time, expense of burying, or chemicals on you. GO BACK!! GO BACK----

Nothing new here, people think like this all over cyberspace. this isn't about black and white extremes, something you're apparently lacking to understand with your remarks. the US has the right to protect it's borders but not at the cost of human dignity.

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Send the beaner bangers back to OLD mexico

Unread post by Working_Homie_of_da_hood » May 12th, 2008, 5:07 pm

You have an interesting point---BUT YOU MADE AN inaccurate ASSUMPTION> That is that the garbage you call human is not-its worthless trash. Its time to clean house and send the trash out with the flies. An illegal homie- hoodie banger lives nearby---He is covered with gang tattoos---on his face neck---head . He proved what kind of monster he is--- when he took his baby daughter outside and started tattooing her ---she is in diapers. He was screaming, cursing shouting at her because she was crying--- A typical spic gang banger---cursing at his baby---because the didnt like being zapped with the tatoo gun. We called the PD, but was advised to "stay out of it" - the dispatcher was also a homie beaner ---- THESE PEOPLE ARE ANMALS


GO BACK BEANERS GO BACK---go spray paint on your family FOOLS!

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Unread post by atm//TONE » May 13th, 2008, 5:10 pm

wtf^haha a "homie beaner"

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Unread post by IxEXIII » October 22nd, 2008, 5:01 am

so r these upstate surenos doign the dirty work for real surenos? cause from wat i hear from the homies is u upstate surenos get treated different like outsiders they dont get respected as much...and another thing i hear nortenos talk alot on how the homeboys from the south r more powerfull cause numbers, i think you should check urselfs on that on cause i never been up there but i think u foos out number those upstate surenos by a alot right? so when u smash on them does that meen they can go on the internet and say its cause they out number them?

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » October 22nd, 2008, 4:34 pm

IxEXIII wrote:so r these upstate surenos doign the dirty work for real surenos? cause from wat i hear from the homies is u upstate surenos get treated different like outsiders they dont get respected as much...and another thing i hear nortenos talk alot on how the homeboys from the south r more powerfull cause numbers, i think you should check urselfs on that on cause i never been up there but i think u foos out number those upstate surenos by a alot right? so when u smash on them does that meen they can go on the internet and say its cause they out number them?
Over all Surenos are deeped, but not in Northern California. I don't even think every Northern town is Norteno controlled, so of course Surenos could easily take over some parts.

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Unread post by NorthernCA209 » February 12th, 2009, 7:12 pm

The fact that there are southerners in northern califonia seems stupid to me. there about 2500 gangbangers in stockton and a little over half are nortenos those nortenos are devided into 10 or more sets some dont like each other. i think that has to change in order for them to become a real gang they need to unite outside of prison aswell. that way you can rule out all pretenders know all your homis become a real gang. like the latin kings and the mexican cartels do it the reason they grew was becouse they were so organized. if a norteno from the 209 reads this you need to let it be known that the way to conquer the valley is by uniting. im sure plenty of nortenos have considered this. its up to someone to take the initiative. and if a southerner from the 209 reads this its nothing personal im just sick of all the dam violance and shootings in the valley and since you are already underhanded your the best way to stop the problem by your dispearing. its stupid claiming sur in northern california. think about it. the only way to stop it is by destroying the rival. i know it wont happen everywhere but atleast here in the valley it could. IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN.......get away from it all dont limit your child to only a gangbanging life stile.

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MMRbkaRudog wrote:
siccmade 209 wrote:Who ever said Surenos only run in packs thats not true i used to be a Sureno theres down ones then theres lame ass fools (why i left) they are the hardest gang in Cali. nortenos are all copy cats from them, first nortenos had there little stupid mongolians and the Surenos were bald now the nortes copyed them. The only thing that separates them now is nortenos try to act more black. The other thing i noticed is that Nortenos are scared when there alone or outnumbered they only try to bang on youngsters or if they have an advantage most of the Surenos I knew were down even outnumbered. I knew some dude who killed a norteno, they had bats dude had 2 guys with him the nortenos thought they had the upper hand then dude pulled a rifle and shot him, his homies ran off and left there friend to bleed to death once they drove away they never even came back to check on there guy. Im not saying theres no down nortenos but the Surenos are more down all together. The streets aint no card game theres no rules thats why its a gang they "GANG UP" for protection I used to think that was just the way it was but myself, id rather stand up by myself like a man and get beat down then have other people handle my shit for me and own me i own ME!!! Meth ruined it now homies could be down as fu-- one minute and stab there own dudes in the back the next and i hate how gangs try to hype up there side they cant tell it like it is. Heres evidence of whos winning the nortenos are only in the Northern part of Cali the Surenos have clicks all through the U.S. and in L.A. theres no nortes there because theyed be taken out but look at Nor Cal theres still Surenos in some places more and thats there HOOD!!! XIV more like HIV good luck though to all the bangers just lettin yall know there aint no gold at the end of that rainbow only death or Jail :) u might not agree now but ull see ;)
Blah blah blah, if I was banging still I'd say still sound like a scrap & Nortenos would say what you said about Nortenos in vice versa.
hmmm sounds like BUSTER shit to me ^^

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Unread post by dcflatz » June 11th, 2009, 2:41 pm

^^ don't netbang RATA/LEVA

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Unread post by MCD » October 10th, 2009, 9:20 pm

NorthernCA209 wrote:The fact that there are southerners in northern califonia seems stupid to me. there about 2500 gangbangers in stockton and a little over half are nortenos those nortenos are devided into 10 or more sets some dont like each other. i think that has to change in order for them to become a real gang they need to unite outside of prison aswell. that way you can rule out all pretenders know all your homis become a real gang. like the latin kings and the mexican cartels do it the reason they grew was becouse they were so organized. if a norteno from the 209 reads this you need to let it be known that the way to conquer the valley is by uniting. im sure plenty of nortenos have considered this. its up to someone to take the initiative. and if a southerner from the 209 reads this its nothing personal im just sick of all the dam violance and shootings in the valley and since you are already underhanded your the best way to stop the problem by your dispearing. its stupid claiming sur in northern california. think about it. the only way to stop it is by destroying the rival. i know it wont happen everywhere but atleast here in the valley it could. IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN.......get away from it all dont limit your child to only a gangbanging life stile.
I'm with you I don't get why 209 vatos don't push back on these sur siders and paisa ese's. Thing is we just dont got the density of varrios like in the south so it just takes longer I guess. I can't believe how bold these vatos get either, I've been hit up by sureños outside the centro-mart on the eastside they mug hard and try to start shit saying I'm a norteño because I'm flamed up but as long as you show you're not backin down you figure out which ones are lame because they'll be quick to bounce outta there.

N it's true norteño varrios are beefin with each other usually because of sides, now you got southside vs. eastside or southside vs SOUTHEAST side... I even get mugs by vatos in Harrel Park when i'm flamed up, and I used to live over there (long ass time ago). It's a trip. Sooner or later stockton is gonna have to step up.

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by MCD » November 29th, 2009, 7:23 pm

I heard White Fence once took a step in stockton a few decades ago, anyone know about that. and is VST the only active sureno click in the 209?

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by ~J~ » December 13th, 2009, 1:07 am

MCD wrote:I heard White Fence once took a step in stockton a few decades ago, anyone know about that. and is VST the only active sureno click in the 209?
Isn't Atwater still full of Sureno/Paisanos?

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by youngspade » December 13th, 2009, 10:11 am

MCD wrote:I heard White Fence once took a step in stockton a few decades ago, anyone know about that. and is VST the only active sureno click in the 209?

Vickey's Town?

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by MCD » February 6th, 2010, 7:32 pm

yeah vickys town. I'm curious what other south siders are in stockton, i used to live there like 15 years ago and i never got keen on the hoods except the norte ones

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » February 16th, 2010, 12:26 pm

~J~ wrote:
MCD wrote:I heard White Fence once took a step in stockton a few decades ago, anyone know about that. and is VST the only active sureno click in the 209?
Isn't Atwater still full of Sureno/Paisanos?
Seems like enes having been stepping foot in there lately. Maybe because of the low cost? I think some don't like how it was a blue city either.

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Re: STOCKTON CALI 209 GANG WAR FARE SURENOS VS NORTENOS

Unread post by MCD » February 22nd, 2010, 7:44 pm

MMRbkaRudog wrote:
~J~ wrote:
MCD wrote:I heard White Fence once took a step in stockton a few decades ago, anyone know about that. and is VST the only active sureno click in the 209?
Isn't Atwater still full of Sureno/Paisanos?
Seems like enes having been stepping foot in there lately. Maybe because of the low cost? I think some don't like how it was a blue city either.
It just seems like nature that surenos would be in a small city like that that probably didnt have many gangs in the first place. Nortenos are probably steppin in just recently because they're still expanding, there's not enough nortenos to move to and heavily occupy every nor cal city

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