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California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles County

Unread post by alexalonso » June 5th, 2003, 5:15 pm

Enter information about gangs in Southern California that are NOT in Los Angeles County by clicking Post reply. This would include gangs South of Fresno to the Mexican border. DO NOT post any information here about Northern California gangs or about Los Angeles County City. There is a seperate board for that.


Cities in the following Counties can be included here: San Diego, Imperial, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Kern, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Kings, Tulare and parts of Fresno County.

Basically any city south of Fresno in the State of California except for a Cities in the County of Los Angeles.
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Unread post by bA1by2Guh6Cuhz » June 12th, 2003, 5:52 pm

in LBC:

mAh hood...ABZ NS/ES AsiAn BoyZ
EBG Easy Boy Gang
OBS Oriental BoyS
TRG Tiny Roach Gang
TOC Thuggin Outlaw Criminals


there's more but dont feel like typin em all....

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Unread post by wessyde19 » June 21st, 2003, 6:01 pm

HISPANIC BARRIOS


ORANGE COUNTY
FULLERTON TOKERS TOWN
LA HABRA CAMPO 13
WS LA HABRA
FULLERTON SUICIDAL GANG
MONOS
ANAHEIM JUNGLE CITY
ANAHEIM PENGUIN CITY
ANAHEIM LATIN BOYS
FXTROOP
SANTA ANA 5TH ST, BROOK STREET, HIGHLAND
COSTA MESA
SOUTH SIDE HUNTINGTON BEACH
ALLEY LOCOS
CHERRY STREET
BAKER STREET BOYZ
SOUTH SIDE KRIMINALS
HEAD HUNTERS
GARDEN GROVE HARD TIMES
ANAHEIM TRAVELERS
BUENA PARQUE LOS COYOTES
EVIL KIDS SANTA ANA
ANAHEIM VERMONT ST
ES FULLERTON
ES 19ST COSTA MESA
WS VARRIO FORMING KAOS COSTA MESA
UNITED BY CRIME
SAN DIEGO
LOGAN HEIGHTS
SHERMAN PARK 27TH ST
ES SAN DIEGO
OLD TOWNE NATIONAL CITY, ANTIGUOS, INSANE BOYS,
SAN YSIDRO
NORTH COUNTY FALLBROOK
ES POSOLE
OCEAN SIDE
CARLSBAD
LOGAN HEIGHTS 30ST 35ST
RED STEPS LH
GAMA BOYS
GOLDEN HILLS
VARRIO CHULA VISTA
ES NATIONAL CITY LOCOS
BLOCK BOYZ NC
ACRE BOYS NC
SHELLTOWN GAMMA BOYZ
SHELLTOWN 38ST
OLD TOWN SAN DIEGO
BRANDYWINE
WS SAN DIEGO
OTAY RIVER BOTTOM LOCOS
WHOOP TOWN
SSANDIEGO
IMPERIAL BEACH
SS FALLBROOK
VARRIOS UNIDOS LOCOS
EL CAJON DUKES
PARADISE HILLS
INLAND EMPIRE
WS RIVAS
ES RIVAS
SS RIVAS
WEST SIDE VERDUGO
VERDUGO FLATS
CASA BLANCA
NS COLTONE
CUCAMONGA KINGS
BLOOMAS
CLAREMONT
MT VERNON RIFA, 7THST, LIL COUNTS, ROYAL COUNTS, SUR CRAZY ONES, MANNER BOYS, WSVERDUGO FLATS, EAST SIDE VERDUGO
ESCONDIDO VIEJO
SOUTH SIDE FONTANA KINGS, CHINGONES, NEIGHBORHOOD LOCOS, the HOOD LOCOS, WS DIABLOS, HARDTIMES
CORONA 4ST
YOUNG CROWD
MIRA LOMA RIFA DODD ST
DARKSIDE RIFA
ELSINORE YOUNG CLASSIC RIDERS
ONTA VARRIO SUR, BLACK ANGELS
ONTARIO LOCOS
UPLAND
CUCA DOG PATCH
NS RIALTO, SS RIALTO
SAGE ST RIALTO
ESRIALTO
NS COLTON
ES COLTON
CHINO SINNERS RIFA
VENTURA COUNTY AND CENTRAL COAST 805
ES COLONIA CHIQUES, LOCOS
NS COLONIA CHIQUES
SUR TOWNE CHIQUES
SS CHIQUES
ES LEMONWOOD CHIQUES
SS SQUIRE DRIVE CHIQUES
SS CALLE SIETE CHIQUES
VARRIO CHIQUES
CENTRO ESCALON CHIQUES
CALLE PAULA CHIQUES
SOUTH A STREET CHIQUES
WS LOMA FLATS CHIQUES
EL RIO, TROUBLE STREET MALDITOS
WS VENTURA AVENUE GANGSTERS
ES MONTALVO ST
ES CAMPO
BAD BOYS 12ST
CRIMEES X2ST
PARTY BOYS X2ST
LOCOS 12TH ST
SATICOY
VARRIO CAMARIO BARRY ST
MORFAS LOCOS
WS LOCOS
VARRIO SOMIS LS
NS FILTROS
LIL BOYS FILTROS
ES SANTA BRUTA
WS SANTA BRUTA
VARRIO SOUTH WEST
VARRIO NORTHWEST
V GUADA PROJECTS LOCOS
V CARPAS CALLE NUEVE
V GOLETA PJS
V LAMPARAS
OCEANO
NIPOMO
NIPAS UP-TOWN
NIPAS DOWNTOWN
NIPAS DOG TOWN
TOCAS, THOUSAND OAKS
SIMI VALLEY
WS NEWBURY PARQUE CONEJO VALLE

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More Hispanic Barrios

Unread post by wessyde19 » June 21st, 2003, 8:52 pm

More Hispanic Barrios

SAN GABRIEL VALLEY
VARRIO PASA RIFA
NS PASA
VILLA BOYS PASA
KRAZY BOYS PASA
PASA LATIN KINGS
SS PASA
ES DUARTE
SAN DIMAS COLONIA PARQUE, LOCOS CHICOS
WEST COVINA
POMONA 12TH ST:SHARKIES
VARRIO MONROVIA
CHERYVILLE
SSPOMONA
NSPOMONA
POMONA MICHOACANOS
BOLEN PARK:NS ES
QUIET VILLAGE
WHITTIER DEAD END LOCOS
ROOKS TOWN
SS WHITTIER
WHITTIER VILLAGE
JIM TOWN
PICO NUEVO
PICO VIEJO
PICO LOCOS
RIVERA
JARDIN 13
ES KING KOBRAS
LA PUENTE
HACIENDA HEIGHTS
LIL HILL
SANGRA CHICOS
EL MONTE FLORES
EL MONTE HICKS
SS EL MONTE
EL MONTE HAYES ST
NS EL MONTE
BARTLETT ST
LIL HILL
HACIENDAXHEIGHTS
VALINDA FLATS
BASSET NIGHT OWLS
TEMPLE CITY
WS WALNUT
CLAREMONT
THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY
BARRIO SAN FER,SAN FERNANDO CITY AND SYLMAR: BORREGO VALLE, JOKERS, HARDCORE FREAKS, YOUNGSTERS, LOCOS, CHICOS, PEEWEES, TINY LOCOS NEW CROWD,MID CITY BOYS, MACLAY BOYS, DUNAS, HOMEBOYS, MATANZAS SIDE LOCOS,
BLYTHE STREET, PANORAMA CITY: DUKES, NIGHT OUTS, RASKALS,CHICOS
PACAS, PACOIMA: PROJECT BOYS, PIERCE BOYS, HUMPHREY PARK BOYS, CRAZY BOYS, KNOCK KNOCK BOYS, SOUTH SIDE LOCOS, BROWN STONER LOCOS, PAXTON STREET LOCOS, LATIN RASCALS, VAN NUYS BOYS, VAUGHN STREET, GOLETA STREET, LEV BOYS, PACOIMA FLATS, LATIN TIMES, CRIMINALS, CAYUGA STREET, EL DORADO AVE, ILEX ST, PINNEY ST
DEAD END BOYS, PACOIMA
ARLETA BOYS
MISSION HILLS BOYS
SOL VALLE DIABLOS, SUN VALLEY
SUNLAND PARK LOCOS, SUNLAND
SOL VALLE VINELAND AVE BOYS, SUN VALLEY- NORTH HOLLYWOOD
BOYZ FROM THE HOOD, NORTH HOLLYWOOD-SUN VALLEY
WS CLANTON 14TH STREET, NORTH HOLLYWOOD:CRAZY ALLEY GANGSTERS
NS EIGHTEEN ST, NORTH HOLLYWOOD:MID VALLEY GANGSTERS,TINY VETS, PEEWEE WINOS
MARA SALVATRUCHA NS, NORTH HOLLYWOOD-NORTH HILLS- CHATSWORTH
NS ALLEY LOCOS, NORTH HOLLYWOOD
NORTH HOLLYWOOD BOYZ
NORTH HOLLYWOOD LOCOS
VANOWEN STREET LOCOS, VAN NUYS
BARRIO VAN NUYS:NORTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, DELANO STREET, CYCLONES, JOKERS, POOR BOYS, TINY LOCOS, TRAVIESOS,LOCOS
HASKELLS, VAN NUYS
CROOKS
VALERIO STREET, VAN NUYS: MIDGETS, LOCOS
TOKERS, VAN NUYS
SS RESEDA, WS RESEDA
CANOGA PARK ALABAMA STREET
BRYANT STREET, NORTH RIDGE
BROWN PRIDE SURENOS, NORTHRIDGE
BROWN PRIDE RAZA
SEPAS LANGDON STREET,SEPULVEDA-NORTH HILLS:PEEWEES, LOCOS, BOYS, SCHOOLYARD
COLUMBUS STREET, NORTH HILLS
VINCENT TOWN, NORTH HILLS
RADFORD ST, NORTH HOLLYWOOD
VARRIO BURBANK
SS ELMWOOD ST,BURBANK
WS LOCOS, GLENDALE
MISCELLANEOUS BARRIOS, AND CREW BECOME BARRIOS: CML, CMK, STP, MTLS,9700 BLOCK HUSTLAS,GRANADA HILLS DYP,129KLUMP ST, ELMER AVE, NS LENNOX, LOGAN HEIGHTS, TERRA BELLA ST, LAKEVIEW TERRACE, ORCAS,

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Black gangs in San Diego

Unread post by wessyde19 » June 22nd, 2003, 4:54 pm

West coast crips, Lincoln Bloods, Skyline Bloods, all in San Diego.

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Small gang in Placentia in Orange County

Unread post by wcrockets » June 24th, 2003, 9:57 am

Err.. there is a small gang in Placentia (Orange County) called Plas.

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Unread post by Sieko Swan » July 19th, 2003, 3:08 pm

[quote="wessyde19"]West coast crips, Lincoln Bloods, Skyline Bloods, all in San Diego.[/quote]



what the fuck is I.E. 5th. street crips :? javascript:emoticon(':?')
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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by Guest » July 22nd, 2003, 3:14 am

IN SAN BERNARDINO YOU GOT OF FOOLS FROM L.A. LIKE IN THESE ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU GOT BOMPTON P.I.R.U.S AND DOWN THE STREET YOU SOME L.A. DENVER LANES, AND IN THE MIDDLE YOU GOT SOME CRIPS.

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Unread post by civil_thor » July 27th, 2003, 12:27 am

In Oceanside (SD county)

Varrio Posole
Center Street Locos
Varrio Mesa Locos
Deep Valley Crips
Deep Valley Bloods (Samoan)

Wicked Bombers Up (tag crew)
Oceanside Kings (tag crew)

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Unread post by Bulls Fan » July 31st, 2003, 2:34 am

Only gangs Ive heard of in Bakersfield are: Loma and Colonia....

if any of you know any other bakersfield gangs, let me know.

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Unread post by pico » August 8th, 2003, 10:27 pm

I've seen the names of some Crip sets in Riverside on the web:

1200 Block Crips
28 East Coast Crips
PJ Riverside Crips

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by pico » August 18th, 2003, 4:06 pm

alonso, have you heard of these gangs?
1200 Block Crips
28 East Coast Crips
PJ Riverside Crips

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Unread post by Bulls Fan » August 18th, 2003, 11:19 pm

I know of 28 East Coast Crips....a guy i know got his ass kicked by them...but ive never heard of the other ones.

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Unread post by omack » September 24th, 2003, 3:52 pm

bgCASPER, what do you think of Crip and Bloods outside the LA area in Riverside and San Bernardino?

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Unread post by bgDEMON » September 24th, 2003, 6:34 pm

i remember a while back in the day the homie mouse from 90's used to have the sweet ass spot out in the riverside EC hood. he was gettin paid out there. and i personally dont know any san bernadino crips .i know we used to go to a hood called delmann heights(i think) and come up over there . and it was bloods and rips in the same hood if i remember correctly. if anybody knows for sure put it up

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by omack » September 24th, 2003, 9:11 pm

That's interesting.

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Unread post by spanyloc2005 » September 24th, 2003, 10:09 pm

In Oceanside (SD county)

Mexican:
Varrio Posole
Center Street Locos
Varrio Mesa Locos
Crips:
Deep Valley Crips
E/S CMG (Crip Mafia Gang)
Insane Crip Gang
Westside 30's Crips
Bloods:
Deep Valley Bloods (Samoan, some blaccs)
Krook City Bloods (Samoan and Blacc)
Eastside Blood Gang
GD's: Oceanside GD/Folk Nation (got ran out of the "O" by the Crips)
SouthEast Dago (San Diego City)
Bloods:
Lincoln Park Bloods 1950's
Skyline Park Pirus (Eastside)
Ruff Tuff Somalians (Lil Africa 80's)
59 Brims
Emerald Hills Bloods
Crips:
E/S Rich Rollin 40's Crips NHC
West Coast 20's, 30's
East Dago Mob Crips, 44

* out of the two cities dago, although less number of gangs, has way more ridas, and gang activity than oceanside, although Oside is now viewed as a crip city and dago a blood city, they don't like each other and reside 35 miles from one another, same county.

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by G bka C.rum » September 24th, 2003, 10:20 pm

Hey Spanyloc I know that the Ruff tuff Somalians originated in Daygo but are they crip or blood affiliated or Independent. Here in Minneapolis their more like a Crip clique cause most are also claimin W.C. 30's crip as well as RTS. But some1 told me in Cali their Bloods. It really dont matter to me even though we aint beefin with them these RTS's up here are cakes. But I just wanted to know.

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Unread post by spanyloc2005 » September 25th, 2003, 8:20 am

RTS is fa sho bloods down here in Dago, they are always klaccin at niggas, mostly at the clubs and throughtout hoods in the SouthEast, i don't know too many somalians to claim W 30's Crips, but in Minn.Their original hood is in LA though, homie

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by omack » September 30th, 2003, 5:50 pm

Ay, Spany, do Dago R40's get respect from LA R40's?

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Unread post by RuthlessCray » September 30th, 2003, 7:00 pm

Fontana Varrios....

SSF- South Side Fontana 13

HTF- Hard Times Fontana 13

CWP- Chicanos With Pride 13 or East Side Fontana

IEF-Inland Empire Fontana 13

NSF or NFLS- North Side Fontana 13 or North Fontana Locotes 13

SBCG- San Bernardino County Gangsters 13

FLS- Fontana Locotes 13

WSF- West Side Fontana 13 or West Side Diablos gang 13

Theres also alot of LA clicks here in Fontana one is a maravilla click claiming east LA and a gang called AFHls and i think theres Looneys13 gang claiming LA..If enyone has more information on IE gangs please post it up thanks...
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Unread post by DNice » October 1st, 2003, 10:45 pm

school yard crips

mansfield crips

marvin st crips

mvpgc

burn side crips

thats all the hoods in my area this byo self hustlaz on mine

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Unread post by simple » October 3rd, 2003, 7:36 am

the real hoods in oceanside in reply to those other posts that are way off.
oh yeah and O'side ain't a rip city. There's more damus in than rips in the O most of the rips don't even live in the O or the hood they say they claim.

Oceanside Damus
(KCB) Krook City Bloods - ES,MV,TC,R'80s, Blokk Gang
(DVB) Deep Valley Bloods - WS20's-Valley Boys
(TCB) Tri City Bloods

Oceanside Rips
(CMGC) Crooc Mob Gangsta Crip
(DVC) Deep Valley Crip a.k.a Del Veeta Cheese (ran out by DVB's)
(WSC) West Side Crip a.k.a Weak Side (ran out their hood by ese's)
(ICG) Insane Crip Gang a.k.a Insekts, Ice Cream Gang
(SOGC) South O Gangsta Crip a.k.a Sloppy O's

ESE's
Varrio Posole Town
Center Street
Varrio Mesa Lokos
Thunder Hills a.k.a Thundercats

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Unread post by omack » October 3rd, 2003, 10:15 am

There is an ICG in Oceanside? Are they modeled after the Long Beach ICG?

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Unread post by simple » October 3rd, 2003, 11:52 am

there is an ICG in Oceanside they don't take after the Insanes in Long Beach in fact they were getting clowned on in the pen by the real Insanes. and trip on this they once tried to bang ICG 30's! We use to clown em on that and call them I Can't Gang bang.

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Unread post by simple » October 3rd, 2003, 12:33 pm

San Diego Hoods - not all of em tho
Damus
5/9 Brims - View/Basement
Skyline Pirus - 80's,69,Meadowbrook,Skyline Park
Lincoln Park Bloods - 1950's, the Dip
Emerald Hills Bloods - 90's
Lil Africa Pirus
Samoan Bloods 54

Rips
West Coast Crips 20's-30's
Neighborhood Crip 40's, 41-47Blocks
Samoan Crips 45
East Dago Mob
Linda Vista Crip

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Unread post by stamps » October 3rd, 2003, 2:38 pm

Pico had asked about Crip gangs in Riverside. I happen to know alot about this. Yes, the 1200 Blocc Crips on Riverside's Eastside is a very active gang. They are concentrated most around the area of University Ave. and Ottawa Ave., and approx. one mile radius from there. Their main rival gang is Eastside Riva (ESR), which is a large Hispanic gang that claims the same area. 1200 Blocc and ESR are currently at war, and there have been several homicides very recently.

The Eastside of Riverside has a gang history that goes back years. The area has always been predominately Black and Hispanic (in it's core area). 1200 Block actually began in the early 1980's, and originally was called the 12th St. East Coast Gang. They changed the name to 1200 Blocc shortly after that because many members lived in the 1200 Block of 12th St. There are two other cliques of 1200 Blocc Crips, Georgia St. Mob (GSM) and Crippin' Young Gangsters (CYG). These were the younger prospects to 1200 Blocc, and are sometimes refered to as "Baby Twelves".

The 1200 Blocc Crips have a violent reputation, and several OG's were recently convicted for a string of take over bank robberies in Riverside, Orange, and L.A. Counties. In the late 1980's, a group of Twelves ond members of Eastside Riva 'Tiny Dukes' (one of several cliques of ESR) did some drive-by shootings together in Casa Blanca. Both ESR and 1200 Blocc are rivals to Casa Blanca Riva (Hispanic Gang)) and 1200 Blocc had a fued with the 2800 Blocc Crips of Casa Blanca (Crip gang in CB). The 1200 Blocc Crips had got along with ESR at the time.

Because of these drive-by's, ESR had got into serious trouble with the EME. The Tiny Dukes had a green light put on them in prison. The EME apparently did not appreciate a Hispanic gang and a Black gang doing drive-by's on other Hispanics in Casa Blanca. Because of this, all cliques of ESR (14th St. Tiny Dukes, Defiantes, Patterson Park, Traviesos, Park Ave. Clique Los Primos, Criminales, Los Deliquentes, Los Romanos, ect..) began a war with 1200 Blocc that has gone on since late 1980's.

There is a large contingent of other Black gangs from L.A. that come on the eastside to do (dope) business. 1200 Blocc does not like this, but right now they are dealing with ESR. The Eastside Four Trey Gangster Crips (43rd. and San Pedro, L.A.) have a history of coming into Riverside in large numbers over the years. Other gangs in smaller numbers include the Payback Crips (Gardena), Playboy Hooride Watts Crips (Crip gang that used to co-exist with Grape Street Watts but I don't know their status now), various East Coast Crip sets, Hoover Criminals (formally Hoover Crips, various sets), Rollin' 30's Original Harlem Crips, and just about every Compton Crip gang in very small numbers.

There is no such gang as "28 East Coast" in Riverside. The gang is the 2800 Blocc Crips, which started around the time 1200 Blocc started. Like the Eastside, there were always Blacks in Casa Blanca that co-existed with Casa Blanca Riva (CBR). 2800 Blocc Crips also go by "Casa Blanca Gangster Crips", and members live in the area of Lincoln and Madison (just south of the 91 FWY.) 2800 Blocc got their name from living in the 2800 Block of varios streets in the area. 2800 Blocc is still active, however; they are not as big as 1200 Blocc. Some of the early members of 2800 Blocc were new arrivals from Los Angeles in the early 1980's, and had actually been members of the Marvin Gangster Crips (I will not name anybody). There have been some recent "in fighting" with 2800 Blocc, which resulted in a homicide. They have put in work on any one trying to move in the area to sell dope. 2800 Blocc was possibly responsible for the murder of a gang member from Neighborhood Piru (145th St. Compton), who was trying to sell dope in their territory.

The Westside Project Crips (W/S PJ's) are a Crip gang from Rubidoux (29th St.). They are actually closely alligned with the 2800 Blocc Crips from CB. The PJ's are very large. Members formed a Rap group that put some stuff out.

Other Riverside gangs include;

Hillside Riva (HSR) Aka; Hillside Dukes- not very avtive..and small

Arlanza 13 (AX3)-(Rascals and Traviesos)-Arlanza area of Rivereside
La Sierra Riva (LSR- Brown Knights)-La Sierra area of Riverside
South Riverside Locotes (SRL)-South end of Riverside- not very active

Casa Blanca Riva has several cliques (Vagabundos, Devil Wolves and more)

Anyway----Later

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by E`S`T » October 3rd, 2003, 3:43 pm

word stamps, i used to date a hina from ESR. i heard about them clicking with the crips and shooting at CB. your story about them getting the green light brang back some memories. later

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Unread post by omack » October 3rd, 2003, 7:22 pm

'Ppreciate that, stamps. I was wonderin about Riverside's gangs.

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Unread post by omack » October 3rd, 2003, 7:22 pm

'Ppreciate that, stamps. I was wonderin about Riverside's gangs.

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Unread post by omack » October 3rd, 2003, 7:23 pm

'Ppreciate that, stamps. I was wonderin about Riverside's gangs.

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Re: California gangs - Southern - excluding Los Angeles Coun

Unread post by Bulls Fan » October 3rd, 2003, 7:47 pm

oh great...i live right near university and ottawa....ha!

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