Motorcycle clubs fighting street gangs..?

Unread post by **crm** » July 19th, 2011, 6:33 pm

Has a motorcycle club ever gone at it with a street gang? Or is it just two different crowds that don't really cross paths with each other? They have to cross paths at some point, especially when both are involved in the drug trade..

Unread post by **Silencioso** » July 20th, 2011, 2:34 pm

It's definately happened. there was a MC in Venice called Heathens MC that fought against ShoreLines occasionally, nothing major though. Mongols have had problems with varrios in the past. It's pretty rare though. It's two different scenes. bikers tend to be working class whites and they generally don't live in big urban gang areas. They most likely live in working class towns and burbs with maybe a few local gangs. So the chances of conflict are fairly minimal.

I've heard that in Chicago the Outlaws MC have fought local white gangs like the Gaylords in the past. But again, pretty rare.

In NY, you have these street gang/MC hybrids like the Savage Nomads so maybe it happens there more often. I've heard of the Nomads fighting Latin Kings in the past.

Unread post by **AztecNinja** » July 20th, 2011, 9:04 pm

Heard Mongols and Bassett had a little spat with the Mongols coming up on the short end. My homies have had some throws with some Mongols and also a more serious prob with them. Sangra let the Mongols have it. Im sure its happened a whole lot more than that though.

dlsthr · Unread post by **dlsthr** » January 21st, 2013, 1:51 am

In sydney australia it happens quite frequently. If an area does not have a strong gang presence that is willing to fight, the bikers will swallow it up and put a clubhouse there. Almost every area in sydney australia is controlled by bikers except for Fairfield (controlled by DLSTHR; assyrian street gang) and Merrylands (Controlled by MBN and BFL; lebanese street gang)

Unread post by **crm** » August 17th, 2013, 1:57 pm

This is interesting. So there are not many gangs in Australia then? It's mostly Bikers? Which biker clubs are over there?

Unread post by **Samson28** » December 3rd, 2013, 1:25 am

Lol Polaks beat up Mexicans vid:

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DS80 · Unread post by **DS80** » December 20th, 2013, 8:01 pm

Wont happen here in australia, bikers clubs are the apex predators here, and the 2 biggest dogs are the HA's and the Finks( now mongols)

Unread post by **Culver661** » December 26th, 2013, 10:06 pm

When I Was Doing Time A Homie From Maravilla(Forget What Set) Said They Use To Kick It With Mongols During Their GL..Anybody know Anything On This Subject??

vagos22Foreva · Unread post by **vagos22Foreva** » March 13th, 2014, 3:03 pm

It's very common for bikers to get into schuffles.As a Vago member ive fought bloods pirus on two occasions but also partied with them. i was in a tight spot where F13 a crew and bloods where fighting crips. I tried to stay out of it but u know the life got drawed back in.So to answer your question we do,if u got visiable tats muscles beard baggy clothes or a vest theyll hit you up just got to be careful.

vagos22Foreva · Unread post by **vagos22Foreva** » March 13th, 2014, 3:10 pm

[quote="Culver661"]When I Was Doing Time A Homie From Maravilla(Forget What Set) Said They Use To Kick It With Mongols During Their GL..Anybody know Anything On This Subject??[/quote]

I wouldent dought it because mongols got alot of respect in east la,its close to their roots and the eastside vatos were always into lowriders so might have happened.Just like we cool with muscle car groups out here in riverside ie etc.

Unread post by **StoneGreaser** » April 5th, 2014, 3:02 pm

Silencioso wrote:...
I've heard that in Chicago the Outlaws MC have fought local white gangs like the Gaylords in the past. But again, pretty rare.
...

You heard wrong.

Unread post by **bumperjack** » April 7th, 2014, 2:02 pm

The mongols and eme got into a war and vagos are a bunch of pussys in Reno,Nevada ,I knocked one out and they all froze like a bunch of bitchs, cowards run in packs just cause you put on that cut dont mean shit to us peckerwoods,I dont know were your from vago22 but this happened in 2005,no disrespect to you but were i come from if you cant stand on your own and alone qe cant stand behind you thats why you find cowards running in packs reguardless who Iam with and of course Iam a player in this game and Im surely no lame,Bumperjack is the name

Unread post by **RuthlessCray** » April 20th, 2014, 12:57 pm

Somone posted this on another forum..

The Mongol Motorcycle Gang and the Mexican Mafia

Mongol members with other gang ties complicate the Mongols' relationship with La Eme.

January 22, 2008 | by Richard Valdemar

SizeAAANo man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.Matthew, 6:24 The MongolsThe Mongols are an outlaw motorcycle gang spawned in California. Their colors are black and white, and their three-piece patch features a Genghis Khan-type Mongol warrior riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle in the center. The top rocker reads "Mongols," but it is the third piece, the bottom rocker, that first caused the gang a problem. The Mongols have a California bottom rocker and this fact was highly offensive to the Hells Angels outlaw motorcycle gang. The HA claimed dominion over California, its home state, and exclusive rights to the California bottom rocker. So they went to war.Outnumbered by the HA from the very beginning, the Mongols formed alliances with the Hells Angels' enemies. The big "bad to the bone" Hells Angels attempted to form a national association decades ago and to place all other outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs) under their control. The OMGs that resisted this HA take-over formed loose alliances. The Outlaws motorcycle gang and the Vagos motorcycle gang were part of this resistance in California and eventually in the South Western U.S.These outlaw gangs are not known for their adherence to truces and coalitions. When you deal with the Devil you can't expect honesty and fair play. The Mongols had already let the Devil into the deal in the early 1970s. The Hells Angels were racist and did not allow African Americans in their organization and many also disdained Asians and Mexican Americans. But the Mongols were more tolerant and had accepted Hispanic and other members of color.When I worked the LASD East Los Angeles station in 1974, Ernest "Rabbit" Salas was an officer in the San Gabriel Chapter of the Mongols. His brother Robert "Robot" Salas was a notorious leader in the Mexican Mafia prison gang. These "Mexican Mongols" proved themselves in the wars with the Hells Angels and on the road in biker runs. The Mongols began bringing more and more of these Hispanics into the club.Black and White vs. Red and WhiteBecause they needed more soldiers for the war against the "big red machine," by the 1990s Mongols were recruiting former street gang members from both Northern and Southern California as prospects. However, many new recruits did not own a bike or even know how to ride one. The Mongol Constitution insists on Harley-Davidson ownership before a prospect can become a member. But like our own military, in a war of attrition with the Hells Angels the Mongols lowered their standards and enlisted numerous lowrider cholo street gang veterans.Some of these ELA "vatos locos" even became part of the Mongols' special enforcer squad, and they often wear a black & white "ELA Enforcer" patch on the front of their cuts. However, many of them had been Southern California Hispanic Street gang members or "Sureños" who had sworn allegiance to the Mexican Mafia prison gang, and that means a "Blood In Blood Out" commitment.Mongol or Sureño?In January of 2004, a group of Mongols met with a group of members of the Bassett Grande street gang at a motel room in the city of Arcadia, northeast of Los Angeles. The Mongols were there to buy methamphetamine wholesale to sell retail. After the deal, the Bassett gang members invited the Mongols to party with them in the motel room they had used for the deal. The five to six Mongols were acting as security for the deal and first accompanied the drugs and their buyer back to a Mongol safe house nearby. But four of them returned to the Bassett party.One of the Mongols' security team was a former member of LA's largest street gang, 18th Street. However, members of the Bassett gang soon recognized this Mongol as a former Sureño who was on the Mexican Mafia's "Green Light" list. He had been placed on this hit list for breaking the Sureño code of conduct and that "Green Light" list is circulated throughout Southern California and especially committed to memory in every county jail and state prison. The Sureños were required by the Mexican Mafia to kill anyone on the list, if they could.When confronted by the Bassett gang members the Mongol went to the bathroom and came out wearing a pistol in plain view in his waistband. As a Mongol he was expected to "represent" the Mongols and stand up to these gang members. He refused to leave the party, counting on his fellow Mongols to back him up. Eventually the Bassett gang members rushed him in force. In the struggle the 18thStreet Mongol was killed and another Mongol who stayed to fight was badly injured. Two other Mongols ran away. The Mongols would later hold court for cowards and punish the two who ran.One Week LaterOn January 10, 2004, in the city of Rosemead in the San Gabriel Valley, members of the Sangra Sureño gang had set up a methamphetamine lab in a Motel room and started doing business. During that same week there was a Mongol motorcycle run going on and several Mongols had checked into the same motel. One Mongol from the San Jose (Norteño) area walked past the open meth lab room and started asking questions. Over the next hour or so several verbal confrontations occurred between the Mongol Norteño and the Sangra Sureños. The Sangra gang members became aware of the presence of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriff's patrol units in the area and broke down the meth lab quickly and began loading the drugs and equipment into cars. Unconcerned by the Sangra gangs warnings; the Mongol confronted the gang members again in the parking lot claiming not only to be a Mongol but a Norteño as well. The Sangra gang members shot and killed him. Responding Deputies caught the fleeing suspect and seized much of the meth and equipment.In March of 2004, the Mexican Mafia shot callers held meetings with the local Sureño gangs and sent word to the Mongols that they felt disrespected and that the Sureños had sustained over $20,000 damage in loss of drug revenue and personal damages. The Mafia said that they would consider the Mongols as just another LA street gang. They ordered the Mongols to pay for the lost revenue. The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) warned that if they didn't the Mongols would be on the "Green Light" list and all its members would be targeted for murder by the Sureños in and out of custody.In April of 2004, the Mongols let it be known that they refused to pay extortion to the Eme. They even made a few threats of their own. A biker stopped next to a Mexican Mafia representative while he was driving his car stopped at a traffic light with family members as passengers. The biker leaned over and said to the driver through the passenger window, "See how easy it would be to hurt you or your family?" He then sped away.A Few Weeks LaterVery near to the LASD Sheriff's Academy in the city of La Mirada, a man dressed in a black leather jacket and black helmet and visor parked his "Rice Rocket" (Japanese motorcycle) in the parking lot of a Mongol tattoo shop just before closing. He walked in and drew a pistol and began firing at the people in the Tattoo shop killing the owner. The Tattoo shop patrons scrambled to return fire but the shooter had already escaped on his rice rocket.Dozens of Mongol members turned in their cuts and abandoned their Mongol membership. The "Green Light" was on the Mongols and every Sureño was under orders to kill them on sight. All this was covered by my good friend Los Angeles FOX 11 News reporter Chris Blatchford. When he featured an unidentified Mongol shot caller interviewed in silhouette on the FOX Undercover news program, the station was contacted by a Mexican Mafia representative who asked Blatchford to arrange a meeting between the two parties. This meeting was eventually made and a full-scale war was averted.The Eme rice rocket hitman was later identified and arrested. But the Mexican Mafia suspected that the hitman might cooperate with law enforcement. He was also "Green Lighted" by the Eme. The Sureños staged a full fledged riot in the LA County Jail exercise yard as a distraction while they attempted to murder him. Dep. Javier Clift and several other deputies entered the riot fray to protect the victim from the Sureño assassins. The "Green Lighted" Sureño was injured but not killed.Relations between the Mongols and the Mexican Mafia and its army of Sureños have remained volatile. The Mafia is said to have made this request of the Mongols: "Kill 'Doc' (the current Mongol president) and all will be forgiven." The Mongol president was already very unpopular with many Mongols because "Doc" was largely responsible for the recruitment of so many Sureño gang members into the Mongols and because of his failure to protect the then President Roger Pinney at the infamous Laughlin Nevada Harrah's Casino shootout with the Hells Angels in 2002. It remains to be seen how all of this will play out.

Unread post by **Samson28** » April 21st, 2014, 2:20 pm

Who would you guys have your money on in a casino brawl: the Polish ultras or Mongols? Lets say both show up both empty handed and with their own equipments, who in the end would prevail?

Unread post by **rocket18hgs** » April 21st, 2014, 5:29 pm

it doesn't make sense what you are saying, it's like asking one of them who will win between me and you. I don't know what you are trying to prove by always promoting violence and always using someone for an example. When you are down to do something you do it an not just say it.

Unread post by **bumperjack** » April 22nd, 2014, 10:36 am

Spamson,Your a fake and a fraud and a part time broad and a caucasian piece of shit,you must be someones bitch over here a mexican or wood

Unread post by **bumperjack** » April 23rd, 2014, 8:38 am

Ruthlesscray nice article I had heard about all that but never seen this article good shit homedirt Califa till the end my friend...

BUMPERJACK CO CO COUNTY BOYZ 14/88 16/23 23/16 12/81

Unread post by **RuthlessCray** » April 23rd, 2014, 9:11 am

Thanks. Yeah same here. I heard about the thing between Mongols and Bassett through word of mouth, but never seen this article. Also, I didn't realize Mongols was recruiting Nortenos too. Just seems like a bad idea to recruit both Surenos and Nortenos in the organization..

Unread post by **bumperjack** » April 23rd, 2014, 12:26 pm

Ruthlesscray,I heard about recruiting sureno's,never heard about Norteno's but one thing you have to understand about Outlaw Motorcycle clubs there about numbers,you gotta respect numbers,I had 15 Vagos jump me at a bar I knocked one out and went to war with them in 2005 untill I went back to prison in 2006, got a 10 year sentence thatwas all in Reno,Nevada,been home in Califa now but Ive been around Hells Angels my dad was a original member from Oakland ,Ca. There motto isnt handle your business and go earn your bones its all for one and one for all,I been checking out for years how they get down and its in numbers they dont get jumped in or jumped out they can part from the club from the start,Read that thing I wrote on clubs vs.gangs,we got into with them before thats why I had to go deep off in there politics which are nothing like gangs in general street gangs,prison gangs,There a whole different enity they went war with the Hells Angels lost 2 members the mongols they got into with the EME and lost 20 members,that was a mistake by the Mpngols the Hells Angels Made some mistakes with the Aryan Brotherhood in the 1970's and in 1989 lost a Big time president. From Oakland Calif. To them and alot of stabbings later the war finally got put out in 2002,So believe me Ruthlesscray they dont want know shit with our California prison gangs because they took on to many causualtys,just a little history from a Gangster who has been there done that done more then many and many is plenty Co Co County Boyz Bumperjack14/88 16/23 23/16 12/81

Unread post by **Silencioso** » June 30th, 2014, 1:39 pm

StoneGreaser wrote:
Silencioso wrote:...
I've heard that in Chicago the Outlaws MC have fought local white gangs like the Gaylords in the past. But again, pretty rare.
...
You heard wrong.

I stand corrected, SG.

Unread post by **bumperjack** » June 30th, 2014, 10:44 pm

White gangs in California has gotten into it with the Vagos the green Nation in Nevada but he was a california Gang member is were it started and Years ago the Hells Angels got into it with whites in the California prison system back in the 1970's 43 years ago, The chicago outlaws ARE FROM EASTERN STATES THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH OTHER CLUBS OUT THERE THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON LIKE Hells Angels now the Hells Angels are the group but can be over runned by a stronger club

Unread post by **crm** » August 31st, 2014, 11:24 pm

So OMG's are allied with EME in the prison system? They automatically become EME/Aryan brotherhood and have to put their differences aside?

Unread post by **bumperjack** » September 1st, 2014, 1:50 pm

OMCs are OMCs they don't dictate anything on the inside period....

Unread post by **crm** » September 11th, 2014, 4:16 am

But they ally themselves with Aryan Brotherhood right?

Unread post by **bumperjack** » September 11th, 2014, 4:42 am

Know they are no allies with the AB... ,Realize these OMCs are a small group of guys in prison in State or Federal prison. If there White they go by the politics that are in place like everyone else,they are not a special group of indivuals as maybe you might think...

Unread post by **bumperjack** » September 11th, 2014, 4:52 am

CRM,Dont believe erything you read about Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs more than half of them have never even been to jail or prison,remeber there territory is the free world cause you cannot ride a motorcycle in jail,

Unread post by **Silencioso** » October 28th, 2014, 1:57 pm

In his book, Sonny Barger of the Hells Angeles claimed that Bikers had their own clique apart from the race based cliques.
Are you saying that's inaccurate?

Unread post by **Coup** » October 30th, 2014, 4:39 pm

RuthlessCray wrote:Somone posted this on another forum..

The Mongol Motorcycle Gang and the Mexican Mafia

Mongol members with other gang ties complicate the Mongols' relationship with La Eme.

January 22, 2008 | by Richard Valdemar

SizeAAANo man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.Matthew, 6:24 The MongolsThe Mongols are an outlaw motorcycle gang spawned in California. Their colors are black and white, and their three-piece patch features a Genghis Khan-type Mongol warrior riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle in the center. The top rocker reads "Mongols," but it is the third piece, the bottom rocker, that first caused the gang a problem. The Mongols have a California bottom rocker and this fact was highly offensive to the Hells Angels outlaw motorcycle gang. The HA claimed dominion over California, its home state, and exclusive rights to the California bottom rocker. So they went to war.Outnumbered by the HA from the very beginning, the Mongols formed alliances with the Hells Angels' enemies. The big "bad to the bone" Hells Angels attempted to form a national association decades ago and to place all other outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs) under their control. The OMGs that resisted this HA take-over formed loose alliances. The Outlaws motorcycle gang and the Vagos motorcycle gang were part of this resistance in California and eventually in the South Western U.S.These outlaw gangs are not known for their adherence to truces and coalitions. When you deal with the Devil you can't expect honesty and fair play. The Mongols had already let the Devil into the deal in the early 1970s. The Hells Angels were racist and did not allow African Americans in their organization and many also disdained Asians and Mexican Americans. But the Mongols were more tolerant and had accepted Hispanic and other members of color.When I worked the LASD East Los Angeles station in 1974, Ernest "Rabbit" Salas was an officer in the San Gabriel Chapter of the Mongols. His brother Robert "Robot" Salas was a notorious leader in the Mexican Mafia prison gang. These "Mexican Mongols" proved themselves in the wars with the Hells Angels and on the road in biker runs. The Mongols began bringing more and more of these Hispanics into the club.Black and White vs. Red and WhiteBecause they needed more soldiers for the war against the "big red machine," by the 1990s Mongols were recruiting former street gang members from both Northern and Southern California as prospects. However, many new recruits did not own a bike or even know how to ride one. The Mongol Constitution insists on Harley-Davidson ownership before a prospect can become a member. But like our own military, in a war of attrition with the Hells Angels the Mongols lowered their standards and enlisted numerous lowrider cholo street gang veterans.Some of these ELA "vatos locos" even became part of the Mongols' special enforcer squad, and they often wear a black & white "ELA Enforcer" patch on the front of their cuts. However, many of them had been Southern California Hispanic Street gang members or "Sureños" who had sworn allegiance to the Mexican Mafia prison gang, and that means a "Blood In Blood Out" commitment.Mongol or Sureño?In January of 2004, a group of Mongols met with a group of members of the Bassett Grande street gang at a motel room in the city of Arcadia, northeast of Los Angeles. The Mongols were there to buy methamphetamine wholesale to sell retail. After the deal, the Bassett gang members invited the Mongols to party with them in the motel room they had used for the deal. The five to six Mongols were acting as security for the deal and first accompanied the drugs and their buyer back to a Mongol safe house nearby. But four of them returned to the Bassett party.One of the Mongols' security team was a former member of LA's largest street gang, 18th Street. However, members of the Bassett gang soon recognized this Mongol as a former Sureño who was on the Mexican Mafia's "Green Light" list. He had been placed on this hit list for breaking the Sureño code of conduct and that "Green Light" list is circulated throughout Southern California and especially committed to memory in every county jail and state prison. The Sureños were required by the Mexican Mafia to kill anyone on the list, if they could.When confronted by the Bassett gang members the Mongol went to the bathroom and came out wearing a pistol in plain view in his waistband. As a Mongol he was expected to "represent" the Mongols and stand up to these gang members. He refused to leave the party, counting on his fellow Mongols to back him up. Eventually the Bassett gang members rushed him in force. In the struggle the 18thStreet Mongol was killed and another Mongol who stayed to fight was badly injured. Two other Mongols ran away. The Mongols would later hold court for cowards and punish the two who ran.One Week LaterOn January 10, 2004, in the city of Rosemead in the San Gabriel Valley, members of the Sangra Sureño gang had set up a methamphetamine lab in a Motel room and started doing business. During that same week there was a Mongol motorcycle run going on and several Mongols had checked into the same motel. One Mongol from the San Jose (Norteño) area walked past the open meth lab room and started asking questions. Over the next hour or so several verbal confrontations occurred between the Mongol Norteño and the Sangra Sureños. The Sangra gang members became aware of the presence of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriff's patrol units in the area and broke down the meth lab quickly and began loading the drugs and equipment into cars. Unconcerned by the Sangra gangs warnings; the Mongol confronted the gang members again in the parking lot claiming not only to be a Mongol but a Norteño as well. The Sangra gang members shot and killed him. Responding Deputies caught the fleeing suspect and seized much of the meth and equipment.In March of 2004, the Mexican Mafia shot callers held meetings with the local Sureño gangs and sent word to the Mongols that they felt disrespected and that the Sureños had sustained over $20,000 damage in loss of drug revenue and personal damages. The Mafia said that they would consider the Mongols as just another LA street gang. They ordered the Mongols to pay for the lost revenue. The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) warned that if they didn't the Mongols would be on the "Green Light" list and all its members would be targeted for murder by the Sureños in and out of custody.In April of 2004, the Mongols let it be known that they refused to pay extortion to the Eme. They even made a few threats of their own. A biker stopped next to a Mexican Mafia representative while he was driving his car stopped at a traffic light with family members as passengers. The biker leaned over and said to the driver through the passenger window, "See how easy it would be to hurt you or your family?" He then sped away.A Few Weeks LaterVery near to the LASD Sheriff's Academy in the city of La Mirada, a man dressed in a black leather jacket and black helmet and visor parked his "Rice Rocket" (Japanese motorcycle) in the parking lot of a Mongol tattoo shop just before closing. He walked in and drew a pistol and began firing at the people in the Tattoo shop killing the owner. The Tattoo shop patrons scrambled to return fire but the shooter had already escaped on his rice rocket.Dozens of Mongol members turned in their cuts and abandoned their Mongol membership. The "Green Light" was on the Mongols and every Sureño was under orders to kill them on sight. All this was covered by my good friend Los Angeles FOX 11 News reporter Chris Blatchford. When he featured an unidentified Mongol shot caller interviewed in silhouette on the FOX Undercover news program, the station was contacted by a Mexican Mafia representative who asked Blatchford to arrange a meeting between the two parties. This meeting was eventually made and a full-scale war was averted.The Eme rice rocket hitman was later identified and arrested. But the Mexican Mafia suspected that the hitman might cooperate with law enforcement. He was also "Green Lighted" by the Eme. The Sureños staged a full fledged riot in the LA County Jail exercise yard as a distraction while they attempted to murder him. Dep. Javier Clift and several other deputies entered the riot fray to protect the victim from the Sureño assassins. The "Green Lighted" Sureño was injured but not killed.Relations between the Mongols and the Mexican Mafia and its army of Sureños have remained volatile. The Mafia is said to have made this request of the Mongols: "Kill 'Doc' (the current Mongol president) and all will be forgiven." The Mongol president was already very unpopular with many Mongols because "Doc" was largely responsible for the recruitment of so many Sureño gang members into the Mongols and because of his failure to protect the then President Roger Pinney at the infamous Laughlin Nevada Harrah's Casino shootout with the Hells Angels in 2002. It remains to be seen how all of this will play out.

This article makes it clear.....2004 was a bad year for the Mongols.

Unread post by **bumperjack** » October 30th, 2014, 6:29 pm

Silencioso,Im not saying what Sonny Barger is saying in his book is false but some things he says isnt true like when the feds infiltrated there Arizona chapter Jay Doybans a federal agent, bikers are mostly white and some other nationalitys they have a biker car in most institutions but have to answer to the main crew runnin the yard...This agent became a full blown patched up Hells Angel and he was a ATF agent, Sonny Barger said no agent has ever became a member a full patched up member not true, Bikers dont run shit in prisons period,all cars in prison are governed by the controling gang and any bad apples in these cars are responsible for taking there own trash out so to speak is what Im saying is all...

Unread post by **bumperjack** » November 1st, 2014, 7:32 am

What Sonny Barger is saying they had there own click gang club or car is accurate but believe this bikers do not run anything in prisons the race base gangs do Bikers are a Car just like many other cars in prison,Im talking from experience that I gain from many years incarcerated,also Im not a Soldier for satan any longer Im a Soldier for For Christ Change comes from within there are very few knowledgeable or experienced people on this sites on Gangs both street based gangs prison gangs and Mafia type organizations the best information out there come from exgangmembers but you have to decifer what is true andvwhat is BS

Unread post by **crm** » November 2nd, 2014, 11:32 pm

Bumperjack, do organized crime members such as the mafia and/or drug cartels have any power in the prison system here or do they just fall in line with the race based gangs?

Unread post by **bumperjack** » November 3rd, 2014, 5:48 am

Far as the Mafia Goes in The federal system the Aryan Brotherhood looked out for John Gotti when he had issues with a black inmate they are affilated now after that took place,the Race based prison gangs are very strong and have been around for close to 50 years ...the drug Cartels also fall under the Hispanic prison Gangs what you have to realize they have other gangs do there biding but they call the shots the race based prison gang always the 2 most powerful Prison Gangs are the Aryan Brotherhood and of Course the Mexican Mafia. There all over the federal prison System,of course Im speaking on the USA I hope that answers your question CRM?God Bless Now a Soldier for Christ Bumperjack

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