Toughest City in Europe

[caineIsignz]

Some people got it right here but most of you are totally just going for the country or region you are from in Europe. You are MOST DEFINITELY forgetting that EASTERN EUROPE is the MOST DANGEROUS.

Countries like Russia, Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, and part of Germany!
Lets note that Murders per capita is important as well.
Rapes, Robberies, Car thefts, Murders, Manslaughters,

Russia, I cant find stats that show only for Russia in the European part but it is bad there.
Russia:
Some key things:
>>Murders: 28,904 (2000)
(per capita): 0.19 per 1000 people
>>Car thefts: 26,106 (2000)
>>Rapes: 6,978 (2000)
>>Robberies: 132,393 (2000)

all together..Total crimes: 2,952,367 (2000)
(per capita): 20.42 per 1000 people 20 out of 1000 people are victims of crime..
(keep in mind thats WHOLE Russia, not just part of Europe)

Poland:
Key things:
>>Assaults: 32,792 (2000)
>>Burglaries: 364,786 (2000)
>>Car thefts: 68,062 (2000) >>MORE THAN RUSSIA...(20 times smaller country)
>>Murders: 2,170 (2000)
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people
>>Murders with firearms: 166 (2000)
>>Rapes: 2,399 (2000)
>>Robberies: 53,533 (2000)

Total crimes: 1,266,910 (2000)
(per capita): 32.80 per 1000 people
32 people of out 1000 are victims or crime


United Kingdom: I couldnt find Scotland or England, because those were the parts you were discussing but if some one could find Scotland and England seperate it would prove my point better.
Key things:
>>Assaults: 450,865 (2000)
>>Burglaries: 836,027 (2000)
>>Car thefts: 338,796 (2000)
>>Murders: 850 (2000)
Murders with firearms: 62 (1999)
>>Rapes: 8,593 (2000)
>>Robberies: 95,154 (2000)
>>Total crimes: 5,170,831 (2000)
(per capita): 86.04 per 1000 people

well the UK thing wont prove my point because thats like 4 countries together..

France
Key things:


((I'll get back on France))

[Sanderino]

but than youre talking about the mafia and there just spread all over the world

[Invincible]

Some people got it right here but most of you are totally just going for the country or region you are from in Europe. You are MOST DEFINITELY forgetting that EASTERN EUROPE is the MOST DANGEROUS.

Countries like Russia, Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, and part of Germany!
Lets note that Murders per capita is important as well.
Rapes, Robberies, Car thefts, Murders, Manslaughters,

Russia, I cant find stats that show only for Russia in the European part but it is bad there.
Russia:
Some key things:
>>Murders: 28,904 (2000)
(per capita): 0.19 per 1000 people
>>Car thefts: 26,106 (2000)
>>Rapes: 6,978 (2000)
>>Robberies: 132,393 (2000)

all together..Total crimes: 2,952,367 (2000)
(per capita): 20.42 per 1000 people 20 out of 1000 people are victims of crime..
(keep in mind thats WHOLE Russia, not just part of Europe)

Poland:
Key things:
>>Assaults: 32,792 (2000)
>>Burglaries: 364,786 (2000)
>>Car thefts: 68,062 (2000) >>MORE THAN RUSSIA...(20 times smaller country)
>>Murders: 2,170 (2000)
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people
>>Murders with firearms: 166 (2000)
>>Rapes: 2,399 (2000)
>>Robberies: 53,533 (2000)

Total crimes: 1,266,910 (2000)
(per capita): 32.80 per 1000 people
32 people of out 1000 are victims or crime


United Kingdom: I couldnt find Scotland or England, because those were the parts you were discussing but if some one could find Scotland and England seperate it would prove my point better.
Key things:
>>Assaults: 450,865 (2000)
>>Burglaries: 836,027 (2000)
>>Car thefts: 338,796 (2000)
>>Murders: 850 (2000)
Murders with firearms: 62 (1999)
>>Rapes: 8,593 (2000)
>>Robberies: 95,154 (2000)
>>Total crimes: 5,170,831 (2000)
(per capita): 86.04 per 1000 people

well the UK thing wont prove my point because thats like 4 countries together..

France
Key things:


((I'll get back on France))

Those numbers still pale in comparison to U.S.

[caineIsignz]

They do pale to US but thats a whole different thing.
Countries like Poland, Czech and around East Europe, they are pretty small countries compared to US. So it makes it dangerous in those countries. Russia, (if you look at it WHOLE, through Middle East, Europe and Asia) then thats a pretty safe country compared to US. They are probably the same size, but then again,..Russia has less people. US has approximately 300 million people, Russia has 150million.

Anyways..
Just look at the link that Ice gave

i dont really think that murder rate is the best way to judge how dangerous a country is but still, check this out:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

Look at that..How many Eastern Europe countries do you see in the top 25? (US is 23rd BTW).
5. Russia 0.19 per 1000 people
7. Lithuania 0.10 per 1000 people
8. Estonia 0.10 per 1000 people
9. Latvia 0.10 per 1000 people
10. Belarus 0.09 per 1000 people
11. Ukraine 0.09 per 1000 people
19. Poland 0.05 per 1000 people
22. Bulgaria 0.04 per 1000 people

and theres only one more different country from Europe on the top 25.

[Invincible]

In the list Poland's muder was .005 per 1000 people but you said it was .00 per 1000 people so it doesn't match up.

[caineIsignz]

Nope, actually it was my mistake...

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/pl/Crime

0.00 per 1000 people is for

Murders with firearms: 166 (2000) [11st of 32]
(per $ GDP): 444801.71 per $1000 trillion [19th of 31]
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people

Murders: 2,170 (2000) [11st of 63]
(per $ GDP): 5.81 million per $1000 trillion [25th of 61]
(per capita): 0.05 per 1000 people

I make a type-o on the post

[Invincible]

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/us/Crime

Total crimes: 23,677,800 (1999)
(per capita): 81.55 per 1000 people


That stat is higher than any of the European countries and one of the world (South Africa is about the same).

[caineIsignz]

Why are you comparing States!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK! Get back On Topic!


Poland is obviously the most dangerous place in Europe!

[Ice]

Poland is obviously the most dangerous place in Europe!

"obviously" ????

where you from?

[BGT]

Im lucky, im livin in Sweden!
But theres pretty much violence in rinkeby, tensta, alby, solna, bergshamra, fittja and botkyrka. But its nothing compared to USA!

We have some "gangs" in these places of stockholm. Fittja boyz is a big gang in fittja, they are crazy...well those who lives in USA may not think they are crazy, but they got shotguns and things like that.

My school is in bergshamra, sometimes the cops came with the dog patrol and search the school cuz it was often fights with knifes and things like that.

Some fools smoked a guard with a sawed off i bergshamra one time.
And there is hookers and pimps there to. In solna (Bagartorp, agnesberg) there pretty much drugs. Police often came and arrested drug dealers and them who do the drugs.

Some fool stabbed a bus driver some time to, he was high and stupid.

Things like this happens in stockholm, but thats it.

But like i said, its nothing compared to USA, thank god.

[khaan]

BGT obviously you havent been over here, in Lund or Malmö, sure Stokholm gangsters make alot of noise, thats one cold city and im sure you got it pretty rough up there but that is not the whole truth....

Lund is one of the top 10 cities in northern Europe when it comes to drugs, even worse than Amsterdam. but that is if you take the amount of drugs and comapare it to the size of the city, of course. and didnt you watch Eftelyst when they talked about the baseball bat incident over here, hehe... but i cant talk about that here, dont know who might be reading this....

malmö is pretty bad too.... guys get beaten over there jsut for being blonde

but as you just said, nothing compared to USA

[khaan]

Belfast, Paris and all the other cities sure are rough, but when it comes down to it I belive Eastern Europe is the worst, just as bad as America.... and just as Ice said, i dont think those statistics are worth much in the East

besides, since every single Albanian i know are gangsters, i can only imagine what their country is like, especially after the war. and while we are in Albania, guys remember to keep of the grass or you might just step on a land mine....

[Snowman]

'Just as bad as america'?

what are you on?

Eastern europe is, on the whole, much worse than america. The average standard of living in america is one of the highest in the world, and even the poorest of the poor in america are probably not that much worse off than the average Eastern european household. Places like Albania, the former Jugoslavia, Poland, chechnia etc. are almost always involved in some sort of war and the average living standard is on par with some sub-saharan African countries.

[BGT]

"BGT obviously you havent been over here, in Lund or Malmö, sure Stokholm gangsters make alot of noise, thats one cold city and im sure you got it pretty rough up there but that is not the whole truth....

Lund is one of the top 10 cities in northern Europe when it comes to drugs, even worse than Amsterdam. but that is if you take the amount of drugs and comapare it to the size of the city, of course. and didnt you watch Eftelyst when they talked about the baseball bat incident over here, hehe... but i cant talk about that here, dont know who might be reading this....

malmö is pretty bad too.... guys get beaten over there jsut for being blonde

but as you just said, nothing compared to USA"

Ive been in Lund AND Malmö!
Im not saying ive had it ruff in stockholm ,even tough its probably ruffer to live in solna then it is to live on strandvägen (expensive!!).

I know that malmö has some kind of streetgang in a place that can be compared to rinkeby. And that is much drugs....

and didnt you watch efterlyst when they talked about the robber who robbed like 25 peoples? He robbed a couple of fools in my neighborhood.

baseball incident, strange, they never talk about baseball incidents when it happens in solna....:/

[off topic]
It would be nica to talk with you on MSN....dou you have MSN?
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[Invincible]

'Just as bad as america'?

what are you on?

Eastern europe is, on the whole, much worse than america. The average standard of living in america is one of the highest in the world, and even the poorest of the poor in america are probably not that much worse off than the average Eastern european household. Places like Albania, the former Jugoslavia, Poland, chechnia etc. are almost always involved in some sort of war and the average living standard is on par with some sub-saharan African countries.

The standard of living is worse off in Eastern Europe or compared to projects (blocks) in U.S (the poverty line is alot lower) however the crime rates are lower, and although there are groups of thugs and skinheads there is no gang problems and drive bys like the u.s has.

[Staxman]

hey dont forget berlin. there is one dead every second day. i heard that berlin has got 75% of all homicides in whole germany, followed bei hamburg and delmenhorst.

[BZH 44]

i heard that berlin has got 75% of all homicides in whole germany

I don't think Berlin could have got 75% of all homicides in Germany.
Indeed Berlin represents only 5% of the whole population of Germany.
If Berlin would have 75% of all homicides in Germany, it would mean that there are as much homicides in Berlin as in Chicago.

[Anonymous20]

offtopic:

lol solna?

well.. yeah around "blåkulla" it may be pretty rough.. but naaah,.. there is worst places

fittja, rinkeby, alby, tensta, jordbro, märsta osv

ontopic:

ive heard that belfast is rought.. russia, rumania etc..

and btw : sweden has the highest percent of death caused by drugs in europe.. my friend told me.. and i couldnt believe it untill i read it in the newspaper...

marseille is rought too.. my brothers been there. in the african neighborhoods..

[Sean2]

Ireland has the highest usage of Ecstacy tablets in Europe, per head of population. And thats from an EU survey. I read it in the Irish Times and thats no tabloid rag its a broadsheet news paper. After holland it had the highest usage of speed.

The highest usage of E in the world was Australia, then Ireland, then Holland. For speed/coke it was Australia, then Thiland, Holland then Ireland.

[Ice]

^^ so that makes it the toughest city in europe?

[Sanderino]

every guy above 13years in holland has used once drugs
so that doesnt make it the toughest city and btw i think eastern europe is a quit tough place but its not only america with drive bys even in holland u got shit with motercycles shootin guys often used in amsterdam

[achnatuurlijk]

every guy above 13years in holland has used once drugs
so that doesnt make it the toughest city and btw i think eastern europe is a quit tough place but its not only america with drive bys even in holland u got stuff with motercycles shootin guys often used in amsterdam

sure but the drive-by shootings in holland is to be compared as mafia hits.... the killer get alot of money to do this hit..... in amsterdam it is not likley to feel a warlike atmosphere.....i guess its not likley to feel this in whole Holland.

[Sean2]

Never said it does, I was just replyin to valsta-loco's post about stockholm.

[ElGuero]

It depends what your criteria is.....

If it comes to things like street gangs, the chance of getting jacked or killed on the street.......Its going to be Western Europe. Places like Paris, Hamburg, Leipzig, Rotterdam.....where you get a lot of the Arab-Kurdish-Turkish gangs.....plus a lot of Skinhead activity, as well as Anarchist gangs that fight the Skinheads regularly.

If you mean things like getting robbed, scammed.....then its eastern Europe.....Bucharest and Sofia probably the capitals of this shit......but also Athens....Istanbul....

If you mean organized crime, then you're looking at Moscow, St. Petersburg, Istanbul, and Palermo.....


If you mean drunk hooligans, soccer fan fights, or just fighting drunks.....then its any city in the UK and Ireland.....


But in all, its very different from the US......

[Loyalheart]

just like to add that glasgow has just been givin the title of murder capital of western europe,with more murders in the first 3 months of this year than new york

[Anonymous20]

lol.. u really think that U.S is the toughest place n stuff?

[Loyalheart]

i'm not saying that, glasgow has a population of around 600,000 alot less than new york that has a reputation of being bad for crime












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[Anonymous20]

yep.. glasgow is worse..

new york has bad places (spanish harlem for example) .. but overall NY is safe .. the safest big city in the world

[Sean2]

Belfast, Belfast, Belfast!!!

Name another city that has a big walls (called "peace lines") seperating neighbourhoods. The are 16 big walls between communities such as Ardoyne and New Lodge. In one website they described these areas,such as The Falls Road and The Shankill, as true ghettos with crime, unemployment and voilence.

Never mind the toughst city in Europe, Belfast is one of the toughest cities in the world!!

[ElGuero]

This message thread is a glorification of something which should be a mark of shame......

Boasting about a city's crime rates, hopelessness, and the marginality of its population is just pure ignorance........

And yes.....the situation in the US is much more drastic than that in European cities......the poverty is greater, no healthcare, no education, no job security......this doesn't exactly create the best society.

People who live in those situations struggle for survival and to get out of their predicament.....they don't glorify it........because its nothing to glorify........so if you want to be ignorant and boast about what cities are a greater example of government ineptness, racism, and social failure, then go ahead........

[Ice]

This message thread is a glorification of something which should be a mark of shame......

Boasting about a city's crime rates, hopelessness, and the marginality of its population is just pure ignorance........

And yes.....the situation in the US is much more drastic than that in European cities......the poverty is greater, no healthcare, no education, no job security......this doesn't exactly create the best society.

People who live in those situations struggle for survival and to get out of their predicament.....they don't glorify it........because its nothing to glorify........so if you want to be ignorant and boast about what cities are a greater example of government ineptness, racism, and social failure, then go ahead........

i agree with the first part but the second one where you talk about poverty, no healthcare, education blah blah blah shows that you really need to educate yourself...

[ElGuero]

How many people in Compton, Watts, East LA, got health insurance??? How many working Americans can afford healthcare???

When you worry about living through the week, you don't concentrate on education, and poor schools get shit from the government....... and then how many people from the ghetto or the barrio go on to college???

While the actual numbers have gone up for minorities in college since 1970...the figures are deceiving, the numbers are higher coz the population is higher.....but percentagewise its gone down 15% for Latinos.....

These are facts, but I'm not here to argue........

When it comes to those things, people in Europe have a lot more opportunities......having systems where healthcare is seen as a right rather than a privilege makes a big difference in quality of life.......so do the education systems they have there.......