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THE REAL TORONTO DVD

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THE REAL TORONTO DVD

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Toronto, known to most as a world class city has another side to it. This movie shows you the reality of living in housing projects and some of the most run down areas in the city. This footage includes interviews with gang members, drug dealers and some of the realest street rappers in Toronto. From Scarborough to Etobicoke this movie will take you through hoods in 9 different locations to show you
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Appearances By:

Friday
Peep Sho
Califate
The Corps
5 Deutsche
Nem-s-iss
Adversaree
Daetona
J-Staxxx
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Featured Hoods:

Parkdale
Cataraqui
Teesdale
MnL
Jane n Finch ( Palisades, Tobermory, Y Block, The Lanes,
Connections, Shore Shot, Driftwood )
Black Creek
Scarlettville
Chester Le
Chalkfarm

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The Press:

Two local newspaper reviews in the Saturday papers...1st The Star and Than The Globe And Mail

The Toronto Star

Real life in the projects
Russian immigrant, 22, films stories

Underground DVD hot seller downtown

GABE GONDA
CITY HALL BUREAU

It's a $10 passport to the most notorious housing projects in the city.

Real Toronto is the city's hottest underground DVD , a 40-minute film shot this spring that screens like a disturbing trailer for the summer that followed, when young black men gunned each other down weekly in blighted neighbourhoods from North York to Scarborough.

Filmed with a handheld digital video recorder by a 22-year-old Russian immigrant, Real Toronto purports to show viewers, "the reality of living in housing projects and some of the most run-down areas of the city."

It's one part rap video, one part ghetto travelogue and, its producer fears, one part police evidence, depicting young men blasting shotguns, flashing rounds of ammunition in broad daylight and bragging about bullying neighbourhood informants.

"I wanted to show that what people rap about really does happen," said Madd Russian, the film's director and producer, who didn't want his real name used.

Real Toronto imitates, if unconsciously, U.S. products like Stop Snitching, a notorious underground film that featured NBA star Carmelo Anthony rubbing shoulders with gangsters and drug dealers last year.

In one scene, a young man at the Teesdale projects in southwest Scarborough explains, "We're so real, we'll take you to the snitch's door."

Standing in a dimly lit hallway in a highrise at 40 Teesdale Place, the man and a friend point to the "snitch's" apartment and explain he's too afraid to take his garbage to the chute, leaving it in the hallway instead.

"We check his house every hour on the hour," the man says.

The DVD isn't all like that. In the next segment, filmed at Midland and Lawrence Aves. in Scarborough — an area locals refer to as MnL — street rapper Califate brags about helping reclaim a playground for local kids, building a basketball court and shows off his T-shirt, featuring a logo he designed for a line of clothing he markets under the label, "Scartown."

At Jane and Finch in North York, though, real-life street violence merges with the stylized glamour of gangster rap videos. A half-dozen young men gather in a semi-circle inside an apartment building, bandanas covering their faces, as each takes turns showing off his gun. One flashes what looks like an Uzi submachine gun while another brags about his "40 Cal." pistol from underneath a maple leaf do-rag.

The DVD tours nine neighbourhoods and in each, locals answer Russian's basic question, "What's it like growing up here?" with the same mix of pride and despair. Complaints about poverty and police mistreatment mingle with gun-wielding braggadocio and boasts about "hos, cars and cash."

Real Toronto went on sale last week at Play De Record on Yonge St., where owner Nav says the DVD is very popular and so controversial he won't provide his last name.

Madd Russian moved back to Toronto last year after studying tourism at a university near Moscow and made the film this spring while working in the kitchen of a restaurant.

He and his family emgrated from Nyzhny Novgorod in 1993, two years after the Soviet Union collapsed. Russian says he fell in love with hip-hop before he could speak English and got the idea for the video while listening to "Where I'm From," a song about living in the projects by Toronto rapper Black Eye. "As he's rapping, I saw the places in my head."

With help from two local rappers, Russian was introduced to locals in one of the neighbourhoods where he filmed and word began to spread about the thickly accented white kid offering a chance to mouth off on camera. Being an immigrant, he says, helped him gain the trust of young men who also consider themselves outsiders. "They didn't see me as white."

Russian says Real Toronto is pure documentary and refuses to judge his subjects.

"This is their side of the story. What they said is what they said. I put it out because it's something people don't get to see."



The Globe And Mail


Welcome to the neighbourhood

A guerrilla documentary featuring 'gang members, drug dealers and some of the realest rappers in Toronto' says it's showing a side of the city few people know. Is this truly the real Toronto? JOE FRIESEN reports

Two young men stand in a dingy apartment hallway speaking directly to the camera.

"We're so real, we take you right to the snitch's door," says one, referring to an unnamed resident who has co-operated with a police investigation.

"He knows he's watched. If you look carefully, he can't leave his door."

The camera tilts down to a bag of trash slumped on the hall floor, leaning against the alleged snitch's door. The occupant is too afraid to take the three or four steps across the hallway to throw his garbage down the chute, they explain.


"We check his house every hour on the hour to make sure that nigga stays there," says the second man.

After a summer of gunfire that brought the number of shooting deaths this year to 41, a new underground documentary offers a glimpse of a violent subculture that celebrates brutality and has a menacing array of weaponry at its disposal.

The DVD, The Real Toronto, is a dystopian urban travelogue that moves through some of the city's most notorious neighbourhoods. Released last week and sold in a handful of local record and clothing stores in downtown Toronto, its nine chapters treat areas such as Jane and Finch, Black Creek, Chalkfarm and Parkdale as little-known tourist destinations. The packaging boasts of interviews with "gang members, drug dealers and some of the realest street rappers in Toronto," and it's this cast of characters that acts as tour guide, introducing the viewer to groups of young men eager to describe a life of drug dealing and gang banging. They brandish pistols, shotguns and Uzis and pose for the camera with their faces hidden behind bandanas.

The shaky, hand-held digital video production was made over the summer by a 22-year-old white hip-hop enthusiast who goes by the name of Madd Russian. He says although he expects some outcry from critics, the film is not meant to glorify violence.

"I just put the reality out there for people to judge for themselves," he says. "I just wanted to show the struggle . . . for people to see that there are people in Toronto actually struggling. And just like the disclaimer [on the video] says, it's a world-class city but we do have our own fair share of problems that have been swept under the rug."

His film belongs to a genre that has grown in popularity in recent years, most notably with Hood 2 Hood: The Blockumentary, a video tour of infamous neighbourhoods in the U.S. The no-budget films are sold through the Internet, or through independent music stores. The Russian says The Real Toronto has already sold 200 copies at a price of $10 each.

The Russian, who grew up in Nyzhny Novgorod in southern Russia, says he came to Canada 10 years ago and fell in love with hip hop while learning to speak English. He's careful to emphasize that he doesn't know anyone who appears in the film -- these are people to whom he was introduced through connections in the local hip-hop scene.

The only thing that surprised him while filming The Real Toronto was the extent of the firepower he was shown. In one scene, shot at a Jane and Finch area apartment block, a group of teenagers pull .40 calibre and 9 mm pistols from their waistbands before an Uzi submachine gun is flashed for the camera. In other scenes, pistols and shotguns are fired at random into the night.

The Russian says he made a deliberate effort to keep these scenes brief, but he felt they needed to be included. "I wasn't trying to make this as a movie for people to watch just for guns," he said. "But it's important for Toronto to know that there's a lot of guns out there and that in order to get the guns off [the streets] you need to stop people at a younger age."

The DVD is generating some underground buzz in the city. One local record store owner, whose shop carries the DVD, says he's fielded several calls a day since its release.

"Whoever made this film did a great job of street marketing," said the owner, who didn't want to be identified. "I just know it's very popular. I'd say we've only sold about a dozen copies so far, but the calls just keep coming in."

Scarborough City Councillor Michael Thompson said he hasn't seen the video but has heard of similar productions. He hopes the video doesn't promote violence, but says he's not surprised such a video exists.

"It would validate the issue that we're working on, which is that there's a lot of people in the city of Toronto with guns," Mr. Thompson said.

Two senior officers contacted in Scarborough and the Jane and Finch area said they also haven't seen The Real Toronto, but were concerned that it might glorify gangsterism. They note that although the number of people involved in this world is small, they do present a significant threat to public safety.

"It's the gangster lifestyle that comes out of Los Angeles, California," said Superintendent Gary Ellis. "It's a fantasy lifestyle that has stark and dire consequences."

Referring to the scene where the alleged snitch is too intimidated to step outside his apartment, the Russian says he doesn't advocate the kind of violent retribution depicted in the Stop Snitching video that has become popular in the U.S. The video, which features images of gunshot victims and threats against suspected informants, gained notoriety because it featured a cameo by NBA star Carmelo Anthony. Now T-shirts with the slogan have become big sellers in New York.

A couple of themes percolate through The Real Toronto. One, repeated across several neighbourhoods, is the lack of recreational outlets for youths. In one scene, a group complains that their local community centre has been locked up and left to rot. In others, young men talk about how the community worked for years to get basketball hoops installed, often contributing their own money, and while some courts flourish, others are broken down and empty.

"No rec [centre], no playground for the kids, no b-ball court. All we do is smoke and drink and sell drugs all . . . day," says one tour guide in Black Creek.

Elsewhere, on a hot summer night outside the Chalkfarm apartments north of Jane Street and Wilson Avenue, a rapper named J-Staxxx holds court with a small group of friends. A member of the entourage describes his limited options in life: "If you ain't a drug dealer, you're a baller. And if you ain't a baller, you're a rapper. That's how it is down here."

J-Staxxx agrees. "That's how it is. That's how people see it. Quiet niggaz don't make money."

Making money is another central theme -- in particular, mimicking American hip-hop artists who, over the past 15 years, have created a marketable brand identity that often banks on the notoriety of their communities. In The Real Toronto, the men wear an assortment of neighbourhood-specific clothing; T-shirts with the name of their housing complex, a Scartown logo for Scarborough residents, or a photograph of the Jane and Finch intersection. Some are even shown selling the clothing from a shopping cart.

And what they're doing, as they say repeatedly, is representing their neighbourhood. The desire to be scarier than the rest even goes as far as this unusual boast: "We're the second-most drug-infested area in Etobicoke, and that's a proven fact."

Mark DeZilva, who runs a martial-arts school in the Jane and Finch area and who works with local community leaders, says the big talk is typical of teens seeking notoriety.

"When you ask a kid something with a video camera in front of him, then they'll say anything if they think it makes them famous," he said. "And then an outsider looks at it and says, 'Oh, that's Jane and Finch, that's what I thought it was like.' Realistically, it's not how they all talk . . . Unfortunately, the bad things get on TV and make money."

The Russian says the response to the film has been overwhelmingly positive so far, noting that many of the subjects have seen it. He doesn't feel that his film is exploitative. But he's not offering to share his profits, he says, because he hasn't made any. He says he has considered working on The Real Toronto: Volume 2, but he's more interested in bigger projects, something to help the communities that helped him make his film.




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Unread post by North Face » November 9th, 2005, 8:33 pm

scene that on my pfp305 class, things that need to be shown to prevent help bad neighbourhoods.

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Unread post by impact » November 10th, 2005, 8:02 am

wow, there almost as bad as the fake bloods and crips in the suburbs here in new jersey. pathetic

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Unread post by RealTO » November 11th, 2005, 8:51 am

The download to this movie has to go. Moderator take that link off out of respect to the people that made this. Which is us.


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Unread post by impact » November 11th, 2005, 10:17 am

you toronto wiggaz are embarrasing. theres no reason for you idiots to be out tryin to act hard or selling soap or whatever you sell up there, i know it aint crack. get a fucking job, your in TORONTO a place with free healthcare and everything else, theres no reason at all to be "gangbanging". faggots like you are the reason why people hate minorities. posers.

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Unread post by Wisdom » November 14th, 2005, 2:47 am

impact wrote:you toronto wiggaz are embarrasing. theres no reason for you idiots to be out tryin to act hard or selling soap or whatever you sell up there, i know it aint crack. get a #%@&#%@ job, your in TORONTO a place with free healthcare and everything else, theres no reason at all to be "gangbanging". faggots like you are the reason why people hate minorities. posers.
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Unread post by North Face » November 14th, 2005, 11:51 am

we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 14th, 2005, 12:49 pm

North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.

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Unread post by North Face » November 14th, 2005, 2:22 pm

A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.
Thats pretty off topic cause everywhere is a ghetto. Tanks dont mean nothn unless u livn in a communist place ruled by one person. I dont care if American cities are known for gangs and guns and of course who to blame? ureself, everybody. People that carries guns espicially at a youth age should get some asss whoopin these days.

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 14th, 2005, 9:54 pm

North Face wrote:Tanks dont mean nothn unless u livn in a communist place ruled by one person
So national gaurdsmen patrolling streets like a warzone during riots doesn't mean anything?

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I agree with you there.

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Unread post by North Face » November 15th, 2005, 1:09 pm

A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:Tanks dont mean nothn unless u livn in a communist place ruled by one person
So national gaurdsmen patrolling streets like a warzone during riots doesn't mean anything?

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North Face wrote:People that carries guns espicially at a youth age should get some asss whoopin these days.[/img]

I agree with you there.
for sure riots need to be controlled somewhat by the army if it cant be controlled by the police.

New york for example is on high security alert so that means more strict and cops dont give a shit.

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A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.
Not true, Vancouver may be but Toronto has been experiencing quite a lot of problems with Carribean and African gangs within the city. We all know they are not on the scale of the states and its not argueable but shits gettin worse there

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 17th, 2005, 1:43 pm

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A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.
Not true, Vancouver may be but Toronto has been experiencing quite a lot of problems with Carribean and African gangs within the city. We all know they are not on the scale of the states and its not argueable but shits gettin worse there
I'm not from Canada so I wouldn't know. I'm just going by what I hear.

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Unread post by Trey » November 18th, 2005, 3:38 pm

Catalyst wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.
Not true, Vancouver may be but Toronto has been experiencing quite a lot of problems with Carribean and African gangs within the city. We all know they are not on the scale of the states and its not argueable but shits gettin worse there
statistically vancouver, edmonton, winnipeg, calgary are all more dangerous than toronto according to murder/crime rates...

canadian cities are relatively safe... ive lived in vancouver, toronto and calgary and all are safe.. i could walk around myself in jane n finch at night which is considered canada's worst neigborhood...

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 18th, 2005, 5:19 pm

What's it like at "Jane and Finch"?

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Unread post by impact » November 24th, 2005, 11:10 am

A Ghost wrote:
North Face wrote:we got a lot of hating from a dude that lives down new york. dont be coming up with negative impacts espically when judging a place you seem to not even know about.
Try not to take it personal. There's a reason that Americans are quick to diss Canadian cities. Toronto is one of the safest cities in the world. Americans are used to a lot of crime and to see a Canadian city start to have stuff that American cities have been going through for decades. It's confusing.

Now I know that Toronto has crime it must, it's just that Americans are used to a that kind of stuff because they see it a LOT more. So when a Canadian sees a ghetto, an American won't consider it ghetto unless there are tanks rolling down the street.

no. the same problems may be happening, but there trying to act like americans while doing them, and fail miserably. why not invent there own way of bangin and stop copying shit they see off tv. theres no need for crime up there, they get healthcare and everything they need, they dont need to sell crack to get by they can live way better than the average american just by working. the people here in america that gangbang or sell drugs usually do it because they need to. somebody the size of deboe from friday should go up there and rape all those fake black people and arabs. when pakis try to be black it makes me laugh

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 24th, 2005, 11:24 am

impact wrote:the same problems may be happening, but there trying to act like americans while doing them, and fail miserably.
I can't understand the need to do that when Canada is the safest place in the world. Why destroy something so nice? I want to know why after decades of being peaceful and quiet, it's all of a sudden turning into Bagdad? Shooting people in churches? You only see that in the worst ghettos in America and now it's happening in Toronto? Something is seriously wrong here.

impact wrote:no need for crime up there, they get healthcare and everything they need, they dont need to sell crack to get by they can live way better than the average american just by working.
I agree. American living conditions are a lot worse that Canadian ones.
impact wrote:somebody the size of deebo from friday should go up there and rape all those fake black people and arabs.
Whoa now, let's not be drastic. :shock:
manic wrote:when pakis try to be black it makes me laugh
I have seen this personally. They also do stuff like wear "Joker", say "What's up Ese?" and things like that.

It's very confusing. :?

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Unread post by not_the_one » November 25th, 2005, 1:53 pm

A Ghost wrote:What's it like at "Jane and Finch"?
Fucced up. PPL wearin baggy clothing on every single 100 meter radius, at least 10. I guarentee u 1/10 ppl carry guns. Me & Ma Boyz - Jane Finch - Few Hours Later - Few Drive By's.

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Unread post by A Ghost » November 25th, 2005, 10:56 pm

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A Ghost wrote:What's it like at "Jane and Finch"?
Fucced up. PPL wearin baggy clothing on every single 100 meter radius, at least 10. I guarentee u 1/10 ppl carry guns. Me & Ma Boyz - Jane Finch - Few Hours Later - Few Drive By's.
If you bang, why would you admit to a crime online?

Seems to me that wouldn't be a good idea now would it?

Baggy clothing does not make you a gangster or a tough guy. Baggy clothing is popular among ALL youth nowadays.

Everybody has baggy clothing.

And as far as 1/10 people carring guns, do you expect me to believe that?

Canada has extremely strict gun laws. It's not America. Which means that even if a gun is illegal it is extremely hard to get one. So I don't believe that.

And if I'm wrong I want you to prove it to me. Go out into "Jane and Finch" and take pictures and show me what your hood looks like.

And if it doesn't look to bad, yet you still say it's extremely dangerous, then I want you to post news articles.

Convince me.

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Unread post by peace2dastreets » December 1st, 2005, 12:38 pm

I think a lot of y'all are too quick to judge. Any city has problems in it. Its true Toronto doesn't have as many murders and has a lower crime statistic. But there are bad neighbourhoods around here. I mean if u look at the shootings that are going on, its not like they're throughout the city. They're all happening in specific neighbourhoods. I mean i live near Chester Le and this summer there's been a grip of murders on the same street. Huge ass brawls going on too. And i think especially in the ethinci communities, a lot of shit goes unreported. I kno guys who have been slashed by machetes or mashed out but never went to the hospital to get treated or contacted the police. THey just go to chinese doctors or they kno people who can treat them and stuff. But even at that, i think Canada had as many 'gang' guns, like handguns and submachine guns n' stuff (not hunting rifles i'm talkin about), or just the sheer number of people the America has, it would be just as bad here. I think in general, the more people u gotta cram into a city, the more crime ur gonna have.... Thank god its too cold for most people to like living here.

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Unread post by A Ghost » December 1st, 2005, 1:35 pm

peace2dastreets wrote:I think a lot of y'all are too quick to judge. Any city has problems in it. Its true Toronto doesn't have as many murders and has a lower crime statistic. But there are bad neighbourhoods around here. I mean if u look at the shootings that are going on, its not like they're throughout the city. They're all happening in specific neighbourhoods. I mean i live near Chester Le and this summer there's been a grip of murders on the same street. Huge ass brawls going on too. And i think especially in the ethinci communities, a lot of shit goes unreported. I kno guys who have been slashed by machetes or mashed out but never went to the hospital to get treated or contacted the police. THey just go to chinese doctors or they kno people who can treat them and stuff. But even at that, i think Canada had as many 'gang' guns, like handguns and submachine guns n' stuff (not hunting rifles i'm talkin about), or just the sheer number of people the America has, it would be just as bad here. I think in general, the more people u gotta cram into a city, the more crime ur gonna have.... Thank god its too cold for most people to like living here.
I think there may be a phsycological aspect to this also. Because Americans are used to American crime and everything that goes with that, they realize that it's not good, and that it needs to stop.

I think Canada is viewed as what America could be if there were no crime, or violence and things like that. And when you see Canadian cities start to fall into the same pattern as American ones, it's dissapointing and it's looked at as if they are just trying to copy us.

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Unread post by North Face » December 1st, 2005, 4:59 pm

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peace2dastreets wrote:I think a lot of y'all are too quick to judge. Any city has problems in it. Its true Toronto doesn't have as many murders and has a lower crime statistic. But there are bad neighbourhoods around here. I mean if u look at the shootings that are going on, its not like they're throughout the city. They're all happening in specific neighbourhoods. I mean i live near Chester Le and this summer there's been a grip of murders on the same street. Huge ass brawls going on too. And i think especially in the ethinci communities, a lot of shit goes unreported. I kno guys who have been slashed by machetes or mashed out but never went to the hospital to get treated or contacted the police. THey just go to chinese doctors or they kno people who can treat them and stuff. But even at that, i think Canada had as many 'gang' guns, like handguns and submachine guns n' stuff (not hunting rifles i'm talkin about), or just the sheer number of people the America has, it would be just as bad here. I think in general, the more people u gotta cram into a city, the more crime ur gonna have.... Thank god its too cold for most people to like living here.
I think there may be a phsycological aspect to this also. Because Americans are used to American crime and everything that goes with that, they realize that it's not good, and that it needs to stop.

I think Canada is viewed as what America could be if there were no crime, or violence and things like that. And when you see Canadian cities start to fall into the same pattern as American ones, it's dissapointing and it's looked at as if they are just trying to copy us.
to prove your point Aghost your saying that america is dissapointing. I could only agree with some of the troubled states. (Detroit) Balitimore N.Y L.A Etc.) But neverless im sure most people here can agree with me.

I can agree with peace to the streets that yes in certain places well known like scarborough, regent park etc. The media is the problem, they cause fear to the community but should instead show something positive like promoting neighbourhood watch.

Toronto now has 5 million people alone. with the G.T.A combined their could be an approzimate 7 Million. Catch my drift, Toronto may be called the little New York but it is on the rise for deaths and that something has to be done about it like what has been stated above. PEACE.

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Unread post by Invincible » December 2nd, 2005, 3:23 am

Canadian prisons must be pretty tough. I mean you msut do awhole lot of shit to be even caught much less sentenced for awhile.

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Unread post by RealTO » December 3rd, 2005, 10:32 am

Toronto's population is 2 700 000, its not 5 million.

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Unread post by North Face » December 3rd, 2005, 11:57 pm

RealTO wrote:Toronto's population is 2 700 000, its not 5 million.

statistics.

http://www.toronto.ca/faq/movingto.htm#population

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Unread post by RealTO » December 4th, 2005, 7:45 pm

Toronto's population, as per the 2001 Census, is 2,481,494. Greater Toronto's population is 4,682,897

Exactly. Thats the Greater Toronto area thats 5 million, thats including the suburbs. The city itself is around 2 700 000 right now.

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Unread post by Trey » December 4th, 2005, 11:50 pm

i would like to see a dvd on the real real toronto not the petty losers who claim to make money but don't even own any cars LOL!..

a documentary on the italian mafia, chinese triads or hells angels.. the people who actually run toronto not these bums who dont even have money for a car or their own apartment hahahahahaa

lol @ these street gangs not even being on CISC/RCMP top priority list..

lol @ the chugs (aboriginals) in winnipeg being a priority for the CISC/RCMP but the jamaicans and crips/bloods in toronto not even being seen on any priority list.. making no real moves just hanging out and making no $$$... losers

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Unread post by not_the_one » December 5th, 2005, 6:01 pm

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A Ghost wrote:What's it like at "Jane and Finch"?
Fucced up. PPL wearin baggy clothing on every single 100 meter radius, at least 10. I guarentee u 1/10 ppl carry guns. Me & Ma Boyz - Jane Finch - Few Hours Later - Few Drive By's.
If you bang, why would you admit to a crime online?

Seems to me that wouldn't be a good idea now would it?

Baggy clothing does not make you a gangster or a tough guy. Baggy clothing is popular among ALL youth nowadays.

Everybody has baggy clothing.

And as far as 1/10 people carring guns, do you expect me to believe that?

Canada has extremely strict gun laws. It's not America. Which means that even if a gun is illegal it is extremely hard to get one. So I don't believe that.

And if I'm wrong I want you to prove it to me. Go out into "Jane and Finch" and take pictures and show me what your hood looks like.

And if it doesn't look to bad, yet you still say it's extremely dangerous, then I want you to post news articles.

Convince me.
Go to pulse24.com and i dun live at t-dot. U go to jane & finch n' start representin ur hood, see u at knifepoint.....

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Unread post by not_the_one » December 5th, 2005, 6:08 pm

And hell no ima not tellin where i live, fucc that itz easy to find me, fuccin 14 year olds tryin to sell me rolex for 20 bucks each, what a fuckin waste of fuckin lives, dem bwoiz got fucced up latez today, shows em the mafiosos gonna give dem hustlin wannabe punks a a little bout stealin from the local og's. Lol, heh.. Representin the king of crack, the certified brown hustla, west cyde kingz, biatch.

Vote for larry!

More to cum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Unread post by A Ghost » December 6th, 2005, 8:43 am

Give me a break :roll: :lol:

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 6th, 2005, 8:27 pm

A Ghost wrote:Give me a break :roll: :lol:
Actually, Jane and Finch is really messed up, the news cameras only went there a few times because once ther was a shooting right in front of the cameras when they were doing a story on some rappers there.

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Unread post by A Ghost » December 6th, 2005, 9:01 pm

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A Ghost wrote:Give me a break :roll: :lol:
Actually, Jane and Finch is really messed up, the news cameras only went there a few times because once ther was a shooting right in front of the cameras when they were doing a story on some rappers there.
I wrote "Give me a Break" because the kid sounded like he was drunk when he wrote that post. I personally would not be afraid to walk down a street in Toronto that was their version of a ghetto. Honestly.

I would like to see this kid go to an American ghetto and "represent his Hood".

I gaurantee they wouldn't be pulling out just knives...

I mean come on, I keep seeing posts from people that practically brag about how Toronto is starting to see a little danger.

I'm not going to start a beef over such a dumb argument, because that's how people get banned.

(Not dissing you EndViolenceNow)

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