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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 13th, 2008, 11:32 pm

9Caliber wrote:
Sentenza wrote:^^ In countries like that you think twice before you report any crime to the police.

Thats on a completely different level then the US or Europe.

Thats we are trying to point out
you cant compare te U.S or europe to south america, africa etc..
So i dont know how the hell someone managed to rank the U.S.A in 96th place.
Also i don know why people think that you can compare the U.S.A in terms of violence to south america, africa etc...
South America is more peaceful than the USA overall, statistics wise in crime, imo.

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Unread post by whiskeyjack » April 14th, 2008, 4:09 am

^--- that depends where you go chile, and argentina may be more peaceful compared to columbia, bolivia and peru that have militant guerilla groups operating in the forests siezing mines.

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Unread post by 9Caliber » April 14th, 2008, 7:43 am

flame_guards_member1 wrote:
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Sentenza wrote:^^ In countries like that you think twice before you report any crime to the police.

Thats on a completely different level then the US or Europe.

Thats we are trying to point out
you cant compare te U.S or europe to south america, africa etc..
So i dont know how the hell someone managed to rank the U.S.A in 96th place.
Also i don know why people think that you can compare the U.S.A in terms of violence to south america, africa etc...
South America is more peaceful than the USA overall, statistics wise in crime, imo.

You havent been listening to what ive been saying have you?
Do you think those statistics coming from south america are reliable?

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 14th, 2008, 2:08 pm

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Sentenza wrote:^^ In countries like that you think twice before you report any crime to the police.

Thats on a completely different level then the US or Europe.

Thats we are trying to point out
you cant compare te U.S or europe to south america, africa etc..
So i dont know how the hell someone managed to rank the U.S.A in 96th place.
Also i don know why people think that you can compare the U.S.A in terms of violence to south america, africa etc...
South America is more peaceful than the USA overall, statistics wise in crime, imo.

You havent been listening to what ive been saying have you?
Do you think those statistics coming from south america are reliable?
No, I haven't, since it was too much to read and I don't have the morale/motivation nor the time to read it.

If you put it that way, then no I don't.

But 23 million crimes total according to NationMaster, and Germany is next with about 6 million, thats alot even for a nation where most of the cops aren't corrupt as you guys say...

There are alot of kidnappings in South America, and I also excluded guerilla groups, and as someone else said, only in certain areas. I meant overall, not in certain areas. At least by reportings though...

I thought we were supposed to use facts and not think of it as a conspiracy(assume things)? But then again, your right. Corruption rates are bigger in South America with the drug cartels being pretty powerful and all...

Even though with that, as I said, unreported crimes? Even some reported crimes aren't even put into a database because people are lazy. For example, when my dad got robbed and my brother got robbed, I read some similar reports on it at the same gas station at the same city but nothing like I heard, and now I can't find anything on what happened...

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 14th, 2008, 3:41 pm

flame_guards_member1 wrote:
But 23 million crimes total according to NationMaster, and Germany is next with about 6 million, thats alot even for a nation where most of the cops aren't corrupt as you guys say...
Most of those crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place. Neighbours who dont like the other neighbours plumtree growing over their fence and so on. Germans like to call the police for pretty much everything. That is not the type of crime i was talking about.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 14th, 2008, 4:28 pm

Sentenza wrote:
flame_guards_member1 wrote:
But 23 million crimes total according to NationMaster, and Germany is next with about 6 million, thats alot even for a nation where most of the cops aren't corrupt as you guys say...
Most of those crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place. Neighbours who dont like the other neighbours plumtree growing over their fence and so on. Germans like to call the police for pretty much everything. That is not the type of crime i was talking about.
23 million crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place? Or were you talking about Germany?

So 5 million robberies and aggrivated assults are dogs peeing in the wrong place???

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 14th, 2008, 4:32 pm

America is only a safe place in some places, while overall, 23 million REPORTED crimes, and maybe a 100 million unreported crimes. Even if you catch a fight between two teenagers on a camera and put it on the internet, unless it's reported to US law enforcement, and even though they won't pretty much do anything, it remains an unreported crime and it's no big deal...

How about bullying? Bullying is considered a crime by most and it happens every second everywhere in America in it's schools. So bullying would happen 86,400 times a day, resulting in 86,400 crimes being bullying alone, and each year that would be 31,536,000 crimes that are bullying alone.

Btw I haven't gotten this from a source, it's an estimate, and yes it happens every second it's pretty reasonable to say that.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 14th, 2008, 11:57 pm

flame_guards_member1 wrote:
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flame_guards_member1 wrote:
But 23 million crimes total according to NationMaster, and Germany is next with about 6 million, thats alot even for a nation where most of the cops aren't corrupt as you guys say...
Most of those crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place. Neighbours who dont like the other neighbours plumtree growing over their fence and so on. Germans like to call the police for pretty much everything. That is not the type of crime i was talking about.
23 million crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place? Or were you talking about Germany?

So 5 million robberies and aggrivated assults are dogs peeing in the wrong place???
No in Germany. the 6 million crimes are all the crimes ever reported to the police. 95% of that is minor bs.

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Unread post by 9Caliber » April 15th, 2008, 7:37 am

it does'nt matter about the total number of crimes committed
you need to look at the number of crimes per capita to get a real picture of the place!

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Unread post by EmperorPenguin » April 15th, 2008, 10:10 am

Sentenza wrote:
flame_guards_member1 wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
flame_guards_member1 wrote:
But 23 million crimes total according to NationMaster, and Germany is next with about 6 million, thats alot even for a nation where most of the cops aren't corrupt as you guys say...
Most of those crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place. Neighbours who dont like the other neighbours plumtree growing over their fence and so on. Germans like to call the police for pretty much everything. That is not the type of crime i was talking about.
23 million crimes are dogs peeing in the wrong place? Or were you talking about Germany?

So 5 million robberies and aggrivated assults are dogs peeing in the wrong place???
No in Germany. the 6 million crimes are all the crimes ever reported to the police. 95% of that is minor bs.
If the Internet has taught me anything, it's not german dogs peeing on things, it's german people peeing on each other. Those aren't generally crimes mind you, but they are videotaped. Next to the Japanese, Germans are the most messed up. It probably has something to do with losing The War.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 15th, 2008, 12:04 pm

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If the Internet has taught me anything, it's not german dogs peeing on things, it's german people peeing on each other.
I really dont want to know what kind of Videos you watch on the internet. :lol:

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 15th, 2008, 2:27 pm

9Caliber wrote:it does'nt matter about the total number of crimes committed
you need to look at the number of crimes per capita to get a real picture of the place!
Ok...

Ahem. According to www.nationmaster.com :

#1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people
#15 Seychelles: 52.9265 per 1,000 people
#16 Hungary: 44.9763 per 1,000 people
#17 Estonia: 43.3601 per 1,000 people
#18 Czech Republic: 38.2257 per 1,000 people
#19 Italy: 37.9633 per 1,000 people
#20 Switzerland: 36.1864 per 1,000 people
#21 Portugal: 34.3833 per 1,000 people
#22 Slovenia: 33.6236 per 1,000 people
#23 Poland: 32.8573 per 1,000 people
#24 Korea, South: 31.7267 per 1,000 people
#25 Mauritius: 29.1982 per 1,000 people
#26 Zimbabwe: 28.8753 per 1,000 people
#27 Lithuania: 22.8996 per 1,000 people
#28 Spain: 22.8867 per 1,000 people
#29 Latvia: 21.921 per 1,000 people
#30 Uruguay: 21.7017 per 1,000 people
#31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
#32 Ireland: 20.2376 per 1,000 people
#33 Bulgaria: 19.9886 per 1,000 people
#34 Japan: 19.177 per 1,000 people
#35 Romania: 16.4812 per 1,000 people
#36 Slovakia: 16.3537 per 1,000 people
#37 Jamaica: 14.3231 per 1,000 people
#38 Belarus: 13.1592 per 1,000 people
#39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
#40 Tunisia: 12.5634 per 1,000 people
#41 Costa Rica: 11.9788 per 1,000 people
#42 Ukraine: 11.7793 per 1,000 people
#43 Hong Kong: 11.6817 per 1,000 people
#44 Macedonia: 9.689 per 1,000 people
#45 Greece: 9.6347 per 1,000 people
#46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
#47 Thailand: 8.80422 per 1,000 people
#48 Moldova: 8.58967 per 1,000 people
#49 Kyrgyzstan: 7.50486 per 1,000 people
#50 Malaysia: 6.97921 per 1,000 people
#51 Qatar: 6.76437 per 1,000 people
#52 Zambia: 5.27668 per 1,000 people
#53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
#54 Turkey: 4.11252 per 1,000 people
#55 Armenia: 4.03889 per 1,000 people
#56 Georgia: 3.21338 per 1,000 people
#57 Papua New Guinea: 2.39711 per 1,000 people
#58 Azerbaijan: 1.76416 per 1,000 people
#59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people
#60 Yemen: 1.16109 per 1,000 people

At 8th spot, you can't go wrong that the USA is the worst by crime now.

Think about it:

Populations...

Dominica - 71,727
New Zealand - 4,252,000
Finland - 5,306,601
Denmark - 5,475,791
Chile - 16,598,074
United Kingdom - 60,587,300
Monserrat - 4,488
USA - 303,855,000

With besides Chile, Monserrat and Dominica, all are Western backed countries.

The UK and USA are two big countries with a population over 50 million, both having more to do with so called Americanization than any other countries.

Need I say more??? :wink:

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 15th, 2008, 3:10 pm

Again, these are the reported crimes. Those the police takes note of. The sheer number doesnt say anything about the quality of the crime. At least for the numbers of Germany i know that for sure.

And the initial post that AGhost posted said Norway is the safest country in the world, yet on Nationmaster it is ranked 13th in the list of countries with most crimes per capita. Something is wrong with that.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 16th, 2008, 4:09 am

The more i think about this list the more i think it exactly proves my point.

Look at some of the countries who are leading the ranking:

#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people

and these countries are supposed to be much more dangerous then:

#31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
#39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
#46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
#53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
#59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people

I really doubt it.

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Unread post by punamusta » April 16th, 2008, 4:56 am

Sentenza wrote:Again, these are the reported crimes. Those the police takes note of. The sheer number doesnt say anything about the quality of the crime.
True. Also different countries have different laws. What is a crime in some country might not be a crime in the other country. And in some countries people have more trust in police so they report about crimes more easily.

If there is some statistic that would tell which country is more dangerous than the other, I think that would be a "violent crime rate per capita" statistic...

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Unread post by EmperorPenguin » April 16th, 2008, 9:01 am

Sentenza wrote:
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If the Internet has taught me anything, it's not german dogs peeing on things, it's german people peeing on each other.
I really dont want to know what kind of Videos you watch on the internet. :lol:

When you've been on the internet for 14 years, you end up seeing a lot of shit. No pun intended.

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Unread post by 9Caliber » April 16th, 2008, 9:04 am

I rekon that Nation Masteris bullspit because like someone said earlier, according to that Finland or whereever it was has more crime than mexico, columbia, india, russia etcc..
That cant be true!

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 16th, 2008, 9:34 am

EmperorPenguin wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
If the Internet has taught me anything, it's not german dogs peeing on things, it's german people peeing on each other.
I really dont want to know what kind of Videos you watch on the internet. :lol:

When you've been on the internet for 14 years, you end up seeing a lot of shit. No pun intended.
hehe i know what you mean. Seen the same shit probably :lol:

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 16th, 2008, 11:44 pm

Sentenza wrote:The more i think about this list the more i think it exactly proves my point.

Look at some of the countries who are leading the ranking:

#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people

and these countries are supposed to be much more dangerous then:

#31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
#39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
#46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
#53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
#59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people

I really doubt it.
Mexico has a war going on, Venezuela and Columbia have always been like that. I don't know about India. Russia isn't dangerous. The only people who would be commiting murders would be mobsters but they stopped warring alot years ago, even though daily automatic gun battles take on the streets of Moscow. Russia is a dangerous country for those who come from the west since, well, there are hates between the two. It wouldn't be so much dangerous if I was to go there. It would probably be a very pleasnt time. Overall, the USA is way more dangerous than Russia.

Also, your comparing countries who are in war on their own territories with guerilla or insurgent forces who actually commit terrorist attacks and have shootouts with government officials everyday on their own territory, within their own cities, just like Macedonia and the Albanians.

The USA has alot of gangs which commit most of the murders going on besides the population eating at eachother, and terror groups are rare to attack.

I don't have anything against multicultural countries, even though I perfer to be in Macedonia where it's less mixed but still is, but then again multicultural people plus the hip hop culture equals gangs sometimes.

Western countries are larger in crime than Eastern countries since people in Western countries have more freedom when it comes to law related issues and the law is more flexible in many ways and hardly anyone knows eachothers since everyone minds their own business, for example your neighbour that lives across the street that you aren't ever going to see rather than the one that lives beside you, while Eastern countries are more corrupt, even though the USA has alot of corrupt cops and government officials since it's so easy to bribe people there, in Eastern countries people know eachother and everyone is more on a family level than a cold business like level so not reporting something is possible, and it's possible in the USA too.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 16th, 2008, 11:47 pm

Sentenza wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
EmperorPenguin wrote:
If the Internet has taught me anything, it's not german dogs peeing on things, it's german people peeing on each other.
I really dont want to know what kind of Videos you watch on the internet. :lol:

When you've been on the internet for 14 years, you end up seeing a lot of shit. No pun intended.
hehe i know what you mean. Seen the same shit probably :lol:
Things like horses and midgets. I, too, can't belive that kind of shit even exists. I mean who would have sex or film either doing it. Yet again there are alot of people in the USA who have alot of things wrong with them, it goes in correspondence with the system, and the USA is the king of commercialism even though in Canada I see a shortage of choice by specific subject, so you have to supply the demand --- if people have fetishes and want things like midgets, people peeing on eachother and animal sex you have to supply it. :lol:

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 17th, 2008, 12:09 am

flame_guards_member1 wrote:
Sentenza wrote:The more i think about this list the more i think it exactly proves my point.

Look at some of the countries who are leading the ranking:

#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people

and these countries are supposed to be much more dangerous then:

#31 Russia: 20.5855 per 1,000 people
#39 Mexico: 12.8406 per 1,000 people
#46 Venezuela: 9.307 per 1,000 people
#53 Colombia: 4.98654 per 1,000 people
#59 India: 1.63352 per 1,000 people

I really doubt it.
Mexico has a war going on, Venezuela and Columbia have always been like that. I don't know about India. Russia isn't dangerous. The only people who would be commiting murders would be mobsters but they stopped warring alot years ago, even though daily automatic gun battles take on the streets of Moscow. Russia is a dangerous country for those who come from the west since, well, there are hates between the two. It wouldn't be so much dangerous if I was to go there. It would probably be a very pleasnt time. Overall, the USA is way more dangerous than Russia.

Also, your comparing countries who are in war on their own territories with guerilla or insurgent forces who actually commit terrorist attacks and have shootouts with government officials everyday on their own territory, within their own cities, just like Macedonia and the Albanians.

The USA has alot of gangs which commit most of the murders going on besides the population eating at eachother, and terror groups are rare to attack.

I don't have anything against multicultural countries, even though I perfer to be in Macedonia where it's less mixed but still is, but then again multicultural people plus the hip hop culture equals gangs sometimes.

Western countries are larger in crime than Eastern countries since people in Western countries have more freedom when it comes to law related issues and the law is more flexible in many ways and hardly anyone knows eachothers since everyone minds their own business, for example your neighbour that lives across the street that you aren't ever going to see rather than the one that lives beside you, while Eastern countries are more corrupt, even though the USA has alot of corrupt cops and government officials since it's so easy to bribe people there, in Eastern countries people know eachother and everyone is more on a family level than a cold business like level so not reporting something is possible, and it's possible in the USA too.
But still, outside of the warzones, it is MUCH more likely to get shot, robbed or stabbed in Mexiko City, Moscow, Medellin or Caracas then in any of those European countries. Russia has a higher murder rate then the US. In Venezuela in 2003, there were 15,738 murders, an average of 43 murders per day, almost 2 per hour. Mind you, that Venezuela only has a population of 28 million.
Neither the US nor western Europe can compare with that.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 17th, 2008, 12:13 am

Sentenza wrote: In Venezuela in 2003, there were 15,738 murders, an average of 43 murders per day, almost 2 per hour. Mind you, that Venezuela only has a population of 28 million.
That means in 20 days, in Venezuela as many people get murdered as in Germany in a whole year.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 17th, 2008, 12:16 am

Again, when it only comes to gun crimes, in the USA:

Some Statistics from the USA

In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. (Source: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Between 1993-1999, gun deaths in the United States have declined 27%. (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, WISQARS, National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides. (SOURCE: Hoyert DL, Arias E, Smith BL, Murphy SL, Kochanek, KD. Deaths: Final Data for 1999. National Vital Statistics Reports. 2001;49 (8).)

Of all suicides, 57% occurred by firearm (SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm, Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS), National Center for Injury Control and Prevention, accessed March, 2002.)

In 2000, 75,685 people (27/100,000) suffered non-fatal firearm gunshot injuries. (SOURCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports for the United States: Crime in the United States 2000: Uniform Crime Reports. Washington, D.C: U.S. Department of Justice; 2001.)

Now compare that to Russia or China or India or even Venezuela.

Compare the 43 murders in Venezuela, which happen in all ways, to the 80 GUN related deaths per day in the USA.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 17th, 2008, 12:17 am

Also, in terms of gunshot wounds and injuries that are NON-FATAL, about 207 people are shot per day in the USA.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 17th, 2008, 12:25 am

flame_guards_member1 wrote:Also, in terms of gunshot wounds and injuries that are NON-FATAL, about 207 people are shot per day in the USA.
I never argued that the US has a sky high crime rate. But certainly not those European countries.

Btw. the only source i found said this:

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2006

1999 Murder 15,522

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Venezuela, if it had the same population like the US would have 150,000 murders a year if these numbers are accurate.

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Sentenza wrote:
flame_guards_member1 wrote:Also, in terms of gunshot wounds and injuries that are NON-FATAL, about 207 people are shot per day in the USA.
I never argued that the US has a sky high crime rate. But certainly not those European countries.

Btw. the only source i found said this:

United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2006

1999 Murder 15,522

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Venezuela, if it had the same population like the US would have 150,000 murders a year if these numbers are accurate.
15,000 is basiclly half of of the 30,000 gun deaths per year, so it's pretty accuracy.

If you put it that way about Venezuela, then you're right about that. :D

Also, there are plenty of assaults in the USA, or in other words fights. It happens hundreds of times a day in a city with a population of over 1 million.

Also, this is a pretty interesting site I found of crime in Chicago:

http://chicago.everyblock.com/crime/

According to it, there have been nearly 23,000 crimes in the last 30 days alone. These are reported, btw. How about in the last 12 months alone? If there was 23,000 crimes each month, there would be 276,000 crimes in Chicago in one year alone.

It really more depends on the neighbourhood. I was interested to find though, in let's say Alabama for example, which also counts for most of the other states, most of the cities with a population under 1000, according to City-Data.com, have at least one registered sex offender. That's pretty fucked up when you think about it, that most cities with a population of only hundreds have registered sex offenders living there.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 17th, 2008, 4:15 am

Why do you count the suicides into the crime rate, lol.

In 1999, 58% of all gun deaths were suicides, and 38% were homicides.

So basically you are saying, that the western countries, like Europe and th US are much more dangerous then countries like South Africa, Colombia, Venezuela, Russia (which is among the top 5 countries with the highest murder rates), Jamaica and so on.
Is that what you are trying to say?

Ok lets have a contest. You walk through any South American slum with a huge gold chain at night. I will do the same in any European city. The survivor wins. :lol:

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Unread post by 9Caliber » April 17th, 2008, 7:51 am

Exactly

I would way prefer to live in a poor neighbourhood in the USA than in south africe, mexico, russia etc...

And also if over half of the gun related deaths in the USA are suicide then why would that be dangerous to the average person walking down the street?

I dont know why you all think the USA is a dangerous country?

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Unread post by 9Caliber » April 17th, 2008, 7:54 am

We all know that the USA has a high crime rate for a western country!

But it is nothing compared to countrys where over half of the population is living in poverty!

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Unread post by Jinky08 » April 17th, 2008, 7:55 am

Would be better if they done UK countrys seperate, Scotland, England, N.Ireland and Wales.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 17th, 2008, 10:32 am

9Caliber wrote:Exactly

I would way prefer to live in a poor neighbourhood in the USA than in south africe, mexico, russia etc...

And also if over half of the gun related deaths in the USA are suicide then why would that be dangerous to the average person walking down the street?

I dont know why you all think the USA is a dangerous country?
Statisticlly, it's a bad place. Otherwise, if you know how to handle yourself, it's paradise for those who come from a country knee deep in shit, so your right, it's not that bad. People in the USA are pussies when it comes to commiting crimes. Also, if I said that any Venezuelan slum is worse than Watts or whatever, I'd get responses like 'YO MOUTHAFUKKLA WATTS IS FUCKIN OFF THE CHAIN NIGGA YALL NEVA BEEN HEA U GONNA GYET SHT UP NIGGA!!', so either way I'm going to have someone flaming you.

If I say Watts isn't a bad place compared to 3rd world countries slums, I'll get people trying to prove me wrong. If I say the USA is bad compared to other countries, the same thing.

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Unread post by flame_guards_member1 » April 17th, 2008, 10:36 am

9Caliber wrote:We all know that the USA has a high crime rate for a western country!

But it is nothing compared to countrys where over half of the population is living in poverty!
35 percent unemployment in my country right now, 25 percent during the Great Depression in the USA. I think even though most of our people are poor, we certianly have a smaller crime rate than most other countries in the world. I would rather live, too, in a ghetto in the USA than a ghetto in an African or South American country.

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