Most powerful gangster of all time?

[thewestside]

The information he got about Luciano was from police and Sicilian mafia members and other sources.Most books about Luciano is always the same story what was in the newspapers.They just copy each other.Without sources.He was powerfull,but to say he was the most powerfull gangster of the world.No i don't consider him that.He was powerfull in America.When he went to Naples,when he was deported,he got beaten up by a Camorra member and didn't retaliate.Pablo Escobar was more powerfull then Luciano ever was.And about the Corsicans,within a week i will show you some newspaper clips that they are still around.Or a source.

Nobody said Luciano was the most powerful gangster in the world. I've been saying he was probably the most powerful gangster in the American Mafia.

[thewestside]

Here's a newspaper clipping from the Time in 1972 already explaining why there was so little intel about the Corsicans.


http://www.time.com/magazine/article/0, ... -1,00.html

I've read the article. Notice the date - 1972 - which was about the time the French Connection came to an end. I said find something on them within the last 10, 20, or even 30 years ago.

[crackalacking]

Well Thewestside i have found a forum where they post articles about the Corsican Mob,English and French,here's the link:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/GangstersIn ... ic=24&st=0

It has two pages of articles about the Corsican Mob who are still alive in France.There are more articles but in French,so i've you can read French you can look them up.

[thewestside]

Well Thewestside i have found a forum where they post articles about the Corsican Mob,English and French,here's the link:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/GangstersIn ... ic=24&st=0

It has two pages of articles about the Corsican Mob who are still alive in France.There are more articles but in French,so i've you can read French you can look them up.

I read the Gangster Inc forum regularly. The forum's administrator, David, is a regular poster on a number of organized crime sites.

Your link shows some articles involving organized crime in France, which may involve Corsican groups as well as others, along with the opinions of posters about it. Nowhere did I say that there wasn't organized crime in France or that Corsicans weren't still a part of it. I said the Corsicans, specifically the Union Corse, is no longer a major power in international drug trafficking, and hasn't been for over three decades.

[Tee9]

BIGGEST GANGSTER OF ALL TIME GOTTA BE GANGSTER FROM SANTANA BLOCC WITH HIS 16 KEYS OF COCAINE

[stunna118]

Luciano was one smart ass nigga

[crackalacking]

Oh

[mmd604]

George Bush Snr (skull and bones)

[JohnnyRed]

Luciano was one smart ass nigga

you got that right. At that time he was the most powerful gangster in the world. nobody can deny this. Luciano was the biggest gangster internationally during the time he took over his family in America until he had a heart attack.

[TeeKay]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

[thewestside]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

Correct. Luciano was the most powerful mafioso in the United States, but not necessarily the world.

[JohnnyRed]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

Correct. Luciano was the most powerful mafioso in the United States, but not necessarily the world.

back then in italy, there was no mafia because mussolini was killing and driving all of them out. in europe theere was no italian mafia because of WWI and WWII, colombians didnt control cocaine because nobody knew wtf it was. Luciano was the most powerful in the WORLD at that time, 1920-1930 and 40's. period.

[TeeKay]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

Correct. Luciano was the most powerful mafioso in the United States, but not necessarily the world.

back then in italy, there was no mafia because mussolini was killing and driving all of them out. in europe theere was no italian mafia because of WWI and WWII, colombians didnt control cocaine because nobody knew wtf it was. Luciano was the most powerful in the WORLD at that time, 1920-1930 and 40's. period.

They were still there....sure the war did mess things up but not all of them migrated across the alantic and left their lands open,

[JohnnyRed]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

Correct. Luciano was the most powerful mafioso in the United States, but not necessarily the world.

back then in italy, there was no mafia because mussolini was killing and driving all of them out. in europe theere was no italian mafia because of WWI and WWII, colombians didnt control cocaine because nobody knew wtf it was. Luciano was the most powerful in the WORLD at that time, 1920-1930 and 40's. period.

They were still there....sure the war did mess things up but not all of them migrated across the alantic and left their lands open,

yeah but thats like saying there was a mafia in russia during the reign of stalin. or a mafia in albania during the reign of enver hoxha, impossible... the italian american mafia in that time was 10 times stronger. the american mafia in that time was the strongest in the world actually, there was no drugs... all gangsters has to build on was money and where else but the US. making luciano the strongest in the world at that time.

[TeeKay]

10 times stronger is an overstatement

[Azure9920]

Luciano wasnt the most powerful gangster internationaly, any mob boss from the US wouldnt have the power or pull like the ones back in Italy.

I'd have to throw my hand toward Luciano as well.

To the above^, who assisted the allies in defeating the facists in 1945? Not any Mobster in Sicily, it was little ol' Luciano sitting in his Dannemorra cell in upstate NY. Luciano had influence over the Sicilian/Italian bosses, and thus, was above them in terms of power.

[TeeKay]

How was he above them? he had good terms with them, but he got on the good books mainly because he had his guys watching the docks for any saboteurs.

[Azure9920]

America has the worlds largest economy, by default the person who controls American Crime to the largest extent in effect controls the Worlds largest Criminal Empire.

[TeeKay]

Not exactly, Italian Organised crime in europe are making billions which is far off from what the american LCN makes,Their only offshoot what the original mafia is in sicily.

[Richboy17]

Not exactly, Italian Organised crime in europe are making billions which is far off from what the american LCN makes,Their only offshoot what the original mafia is in sicily.

I thought the American Mob made billions. I remeber reading somewher and it said Lucky Luciano made somewhere between 5-6 mil a day.

[Azure9920]

Not exactly, Italian Organised crime in europe are making billions which is far off from what the american LCN makes,Their only offshoot what the original mafia is in sicily.

I thought the American Mob made billions. I remeber reading somewher and it said Lucky Luciano made somewhere between 5-6 mil a day.

That's probably right, and adjusting for inflation would be alot more in todays cash

[TeeKay]

Not exactly, Italian Organised crime in europe are making billions which is far off from what the american LCN makes,Their only offshoot what the original mafia is in sicily.

I thought the American Mob made billions. I remeber reading somewher and it said Lucky Luciano made somewhere between 5-6 mil a day.

Highly unlikely that it was daily he would bring in these figures, you need westside to talk on this, but ive read this user richboys comments and their always "I heard" or " i think that he did this".

[thewestside]

During World War II the U.S. government approached high-ranking LCN members seeking their assistance to prevent enemy sabotage of ships in New York harbor. They were told that they would have to talk to Luciano, who they were told was the only mafioso with the authority to "crap the whip" over the entire American Mafia. Of course Luciano was currently in Dannemora prison on his prostitution conviction. Representatives from the government ultimately did meet with Luciano. Technically speaking, there has never been any evidence that the mob's help prevented sabatoge during the war. Nevertheless, in 1946 Luciano's sentence was commuted for his help, and on the grounds that he be deported to Italy. Furthermore, while the Mafia in Sicily certainly welcomed the Allied invasion, there has been no evidence that they assisted the invasion in any substantial way.

Luciano remained one of, if not the most influential mafioso in the American mob until he died in 1962. He also had considerable influence in Sicily. However, he wasn't "above" the Sicilian Mafia bosses. The Sicilians had their own clans or families, and were in charge of their own affairs, which included amassing millions of dollars from the construction boom in Sicily in the 1950's. Where the Sicilians and Luciano (along with other American mafiosi) were equals was their joint partnership in forming the trans-Atlantic heroin cartel in 1957.

$5-6 million a day is simply a ridiculous figure, not only for a Mafia family, but even more so for Luciano himself. Do the math. That would come to between $1,825,000,000 and $2,190,000,000 a year. Organized crime profits worldwide today is estimated to be between $1 and $2 trillion annually. One Mafia family, to say nothing of one mobster, making that much in Luciano's day is absurd. The Chicago mob run by Al Capone during Prohibition was estimated to take in $100 million a year during that time. That would be a little over $1 billion in today's dollars. Still big money to be sure, but nothing even remotely close to profits in the trillions.

That said, figuring organized crime profits in any age is tricky. Especially when it comes to narcotics. Estimates from reputable sources are all over the place. I usually tend to go with the more average figures bordering on the conservative side. International criminal syndicates like the Sicilian Mafia, the Russian mob, the Columbian cartels, the Chinese Triads, etc. make annual profits in the billions. For instance, the Cali cartel of Columbia was estimated to take in $7-8 billion a year at it's peak in the 1990's. As for the remaining families left in the American Mafia of today, some estimates still put their annual profits together in the billions. However, more conservative estimates have it in the hundreds of millions.

[thewestside]

$5-6 million a day is simply a ridiculous figure, not only for a Mafia family, but even more so for Luciano himself. Do the math. That would come to between $1,825,000,000 and $2,190,000,000 a year. Organized crime profits worldwide today is estimated to be between $1 and $2 trillion annually. One Mafia family, to say nothing of one mobster, making that much in Luciano's day is absurd. The Chicago mob run by Al Capone during Prohibition was estimated to take in $100 million a year during that time. That would be a little over $1 billion in today's dollars. Still big money to be sure, but nothing even remotely close to profits in the trillions.

Well this is what I get for typing at 1 AM in the morning. I read one too many zeros in the above figure, thinking it was trillions when in fact it is billions. $5-6 million a day would come to between $1.825 and $2.19 billion dollars a year. Still, that amount of money for one Mafia family, let alone one mafioso, in Luciano's day would have been impossible. In fact, that amount of money for a Mafia family today would be impossible. Like I said, Capone's organization in Chicago during Prohibition was estimated to take in $100 million a year, which would be a little over $1 billion in today's dollars. The five New York families' annual profits were likely similar. Doing some more math, $100 million dollars a year would come out to $273,972 a day. A much more reasonable figure.

By comparison, today's Mafia families take in less money relatively speaking. Estimates for the Genovese and Gambino families during the 1980's and 1990's ranged anywhere from $100 to $500 million a year each. But that was before they lost control over a number of industries in New York.

One estimate for the present day Chicago Outfit had it taking in $100 million a year from it's video gambling operations. The figure was based on an estimate of 1,000 video poker machines controlled by the Outfit, each with the capacity to take in as much as $100,000 a year. Obviously this is just an estimate. In my opinion, I don't think the Chicago mob controls that many video poker machines. And even if it did, it would only be taking in half of $100 million - $50 million - because the standard split of profits from the machines is 50% to the mob and 50% to the owner of the bar, tavern, restaurant, or other business. And that's not even taking into consideration the money paid out to winners from the machines.

As I said, figuring organized crime profits is tricky. Especially when you're trying to do it at 1 AM.

[Richboy17]

Not exactly, Italian Organised crime in europe are making billions which is far off from what the american LCN makes,Their only offshoot what the original mafia is in sicily.

I thought the American Mob made billions. I remeber reading somewher and it said Lucky Luciano made somewhere between 5-6 mil a day.

Highly unlikely that it was daily he would bring in these figures, you need westside to talk on this, but ive read this user richboys comments and their always "I heard" or " i think that he did this".

I got the source right here. http://thesecrettempleofit.blogspot.com ... mbino.html
Im wrong about the 5-6 mil a day. His grandson said Luciano made between 55-60 million a week. The reason why this guy
was pullin this much money was probably the narcotics and casinos. Remeber the Mafia in America today don't even do buisness
in Casinos anymore like they use too. Luciano got rich mainly because of Cuba.

[thewestside]

I got the source right here. http://thesecrettempleofit.blogspot.com ... mbino.html
Im wrong about the 5-6 mil a day. His grandson said Luciano made between 55-60 million a week. The reason why this guy
was pullin this much money was probably the narcotics and casinos. Remeber the Mafia in America today don't even do buisness
in Casinos anymore like they use too. Luciano got rich mainly because of Cuba.

I appreciate you giving your source but that is just somebody's blog. Hardly official. $55-60 million a week is even more outlandish than $5-6 million a day, which itself would be $35-42 million a week. $55-60 million a week would translate to between $2.86 billion and $3.12 billion a year. Luciano's organization (later to be known as the Genovese family) pulled in it's money from any number of sources - bootlegging, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, prostitution, labor racketeering, etc. But it would be manifestly impossible for a single crime family, even the wealthiest and most powerful as Luciano's family was, to be making $2 or $3 billion a year in those days. That would be $200 to $300 billion in today's dollars.

[Individual]

Most powerful is GEORGE BUSH

[Richboy17]

I got the source right here. http://thesecrettempleofit.blogspot.com ... mbino.html
Im wrong about the 5-6 mil a day. His grandson said Luciano made between 55-60 million a week. The reason why this guy
was pullin this much money was probably the narcotics and casinos. Remeber the Mafia in America today don't even do buisness
in Casinos anymore like they use too. Luciano got rich mainly because of Cuba.

I appreciate you giving your source but that is just somebody's blog. Hardly official. $55-60 million a week is even more outlandish than $5-6 million a day, which itself would be $35-42 million a week. $55-60 million a week would translate to between $2.86 billion and $3.12 billion a year. Luciano's organization (later to be known as the Genovese family) pulled in it's money from any number of sources - bootlegging, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, prostitution, labor racketeering, etc. But it would be manifestly impossible for a single crime family, even the wealthiest and most powerful as Luciano's family was, to be making $2 or $3 billion a year in those days. That would be $200 to $300 billion in today's dollars.

First of all when i first read about Luciano raking up millions of dollars a day i didnt get it from this blog i tried looking for it to post it up here but that was all i can find. That blog was straight from another article. I dont know if Luciano raked up that much money but all i know is that muthafucka had so much power. Like I said he was cakin mostly off casinos in Cuba which brought him millions. He was also the chairman of the American LCN which can explain everything. He wasn't just caking from one family, but everyone. He did buisness with the Sicilian Mafia and helped out in WWll. Im not saying that source could be a 100% accurate but Luciano was really powerful. They said something like Al Capone was nothing compared to what Luciano was. Its was like comparing a toyota to an S Class Benz.

[thewestside]

First of all when i first read about Luciano raking up millions of dollars a day i didnt get it from this blog i tried looking for it to post it up here but that was all i can find. That blog was straight from another article. I dont know if Luciano raked up that much money but all i know is that muthafucka had so much power. Like I said he was cakin mostly off casinos in Cuba which brought him millions. He was also the chairman of the American LCN which can explain everything. He wasn't just caking from one family, but everyone. He did buisness with the Sicilian Mafia and helped out in WWll. Im not saying that source could be a 100% accurate but Luciano was really powerful. They said something like Al Capone was nothing compared to what Luciano was. Its was like comparing a toyota to an S Class Benz.

I agree with you on Luciano's power. In addition to being the boss of the largest, richest, and most powerful family, he was the primary founder and unofficial chairman of the LCN's ruling Commission, which was national in scope in those days. He was overall the most powerful mafioso in the history of the American Mafia. At his peak Al Capone was nearly all-powerful in Chicago but he didn't have the same level of nationwide influence that Luciano did. Naturally at the time of his death Luciano was a millionaire many times over.

After the end of Prohibition, illegal gambling became the largest source of income for the mob. This included gambling in all it's forms - the numbers racket, betting on sports and horse races, card and dice games, slot machines, as well as the casinos in both Cuba and Las Vegas. In the latter two, Luciano was partners with other high-ranking mafiosi who had interests in the casinos. He was also partners with high-ranking mafiosi in both America and Sicily when the trans-Atlantic heroin cartel was created. These were joint partnerships, meaning that the bosses involved were essentially equals in those specific operations, though some had larger interests than others. However, outside of joint activities such as those, Luciano had no claim on any family's profits except his own.

[karim]

I'd say Vladimir Poutine ! One word and you're in a siberian jail for ages... Plus, he dosen't need to hide ! Even others president seem to fear him !
More seriously, I'd say Alphone Gabriel Capone is one of the best gangster ever. Being on top of the underworld business and "only" getting arrested for tax fraud is a real exploit to me. Times were different I'm agree... I think being a gangster is one thing being an old one is another.