Who Do You Consider A Black Leader Today?

[Common Sense]

There are many high profile black spokepersons such as Rev. Al Sharpton, and a few others. Who do you feel is similar or as popular as MLK as far as keeping up with black unity and civil rights.

[Common Sense]

I feel Majic Johnson is a good L.A. leader. He is out there doing the right thing at all times. First of all, I must applaud him for taking repsonsibility of his HIV status, and using his celebrity to make young people aware of it's dangers.

Secondly, he didn't take his cash and run. Majic constantly reinvest in South Los Angeles, which is predominently black and latino residents.

Eventhough he doesn't run for public office, he sort of an unoffical councilman. I wonder if many repects or even know, what he tries to do for the community.

[Old Shatterhand]

Jesse Jackson is the political heir of his legacy; however, they are very different. I would name MLK's spiritual heir differently.

['X']

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!!!! &The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan!!!!

Who else is hurling truth directly at the enemy of Freedom, Justice and equality?

[MiChuhSuh]

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!!!! &The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan!!!!

Who else is hurling truth directly at the enemy of Freedom, Justice and equality?

^Malcolm X was until they had him killed...


Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X (after he realized the BS and was starting his own organization outside of NOI)

[Old Shatterhand]

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!!!! &The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan!!!!

Who else is hurling truth directly at the enemy of Freedom, Justice and equality?

An analogy would be comparing MLK's Southern Christian Leadership Conference and Nation of Islam as two disparate systems running parallel to each other. Jessie Jackson not Farrakhan took MLK's mantel.

['X']

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!!!! &The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan!!!!

Who else is hurling truth directly at the enemy of Freedom, Justice and equality?

^Malcolm X was until they had him killed...


Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X (after he realized the BS and was starting his own organization outside of NOI)

Typical response...

And who taught Bro. Malcolm?

[MiChuhSuh]

Others tried to swap him, but Brother Malcolm read the Quran and went to Mecca and saw real Islam, so he learned from that.

"typical"?

The typical anti-NOI response would be that he was some crazy guy in a crazy militatn organization

What I'm saying is that before he died he was right on track with tru Islam.

Read "Autobiography of Malcolm X"

[Common Sense]

I do feel the NOI does have it's place within the black community. Despite what some people may think, they do help those that are in need, and those that are looking for something else in their lives. We don't all have to agree on how we can to make something of ourselves, as long as we do something positive and proactive.

The NOI does try to give guidance and offer an alternative lifestyle to drugs, gangs, and prostitution for those that was once caught up. Hat's off to them for that, because maybe for some people, without the giudance and teachings of the NOI, they would probably be dead.

This organization also own and operate alot of businesses and commercial property throughout the U.S. So whether we agree or not with Minister Farrakan, he is doing something positive thousands of black people. So I feel he does have his place among black leadership in America.

['X']

Read "Autobiography of Malcolm X"

Another typical response... you have to look much deeper than that book on our Brother....


And you telling "ME" to read the book?? If you only knew....

[Common Sense]

What do you guys think about Najee Ali (Los Angeles Activist)?

He's usually on T.V. at Leimert Park holding political rallies of one kind or another.

Do you think he's qualified to represent the black community as a spokes person?

I say.....NO.

[Old Shatterhand]

What do you guys think about Najee Ali (Los Angeles Activist)?

He's usually on T.V. at Leimert Park holding political rallies of one kind or another.

Do you think he's qualified to represent the black community as a spokes person?

I say.....NO.

He's carrying a lot of baggage.

[whoknows]

What do you guys think about Najee Ali (Los Angeles Activist)?

He's usually on T.V. at Leimert Park holding political rallies of one kind or another.

Do you think he's qualified to represent the black community as a spokes person?

I say.....NO.

why not? u should state your reasons instead of just saying no..

elaborate what's your beef with imam najee ali?

[whoknows]

There are many high profile black spokepersons such as Rev. Al Sharpton, and a few others. Who do you feel is similar or as popular as MLK as far as keeping up with black unity and civil rights.

fuck a popularity contest.....

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

not getting at u just want to know what your opinion is.

['X']

There are many high profile black spokepersons such as Rev. Al Sharpton, and a few others. Who do you feel is similar or as popular as MLK as far as keeping up with black unity and civil rights.

fu-- a popularity contest.....

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

not getting at u just want to know what your opinion is.

Good point...

[Common Sense]

why not? u should state your reasons instead of just saying no...

I feel he still needs to work out his own issues, before he tries to work out the issues of others.

elaborate what's your beef with imam najee ali?

I have no beef with him, I just feel he doesn’t represent the black community at large.

fu-- a popularity contest......

I agree.

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

We can all lead at many different levels, but if one is trying to lead on a national level, one needs to have his own baggage in full check. What a leader does and not do affects the whole tribe.

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

Doing popular things in the hood is great, it’s not about the recognition, it’s about the deed. Secondly not all black people live in the hood.

not getting at u just want to know what your opinion is.

I hear ya. I think Ali is alright and he does some good things, but I feel that there is a better candidate out there that would better serve the black community as a leader. Mr. Ali cannot preach positivity on one hand and have a scandalous lifestyle on the other. That sends a mix message to the community. The black community deserves better than that. Secondly, I feel he hasn’t had enough time to really get a grasp on himself and the politics of properly representing black people at large.

This is just my opinion.

['X']

why not? u should state your reasons instead of just saying no...

I feel he still needs to work out his own issues, before he tries to work out the issues of others.

elaborate what's your beef with imam najee ali?

I have no beef with him, I just feel he doesn’t represent the black community at large.

fu-- a popularity contest......

I agree.

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

We can all lead at many different levels, but if one is trying to lead on a national level, one needs to have his own baggage in full check. What a leader does and not do affects the whole tribe.

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

Doing popular things in the hood is great, it’s not about the recognition, it’s about the deed. Secondly not all black people live in the hood.

not getting at u just want to know what your opinion is.

I hear ya. I think Ali is alright and he does some good things, but I feel that there is a better candidate out there that would better serve the black community as a leader. Mr. Ali cannot preach positivity on one hand and have a scandalous lifestyle on the other. That sends a mix message to the community. The black community deserves better than that. Secondly, I feel he hasn’t had enough time to really get a grasp on himself and the politics of properly representing black people at large.

This is just my opinion.

Just curious, are you Black "common sense"?

[BG MLOCO]

I HONESTLY FEEL THAT WE AS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE NO LEADER, AFTER THE DEATHS OF MLK AND MALCOM X ALL OF OUR "SUPPOSEDLY" LEADERS LIKE HALF-STEP WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO SERIOUS BUSINESS, SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP THE ONLY ONE I SEE DOING THAT IS BRO. MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.

[Common Sense]

Just curious, are you Black "common sense"?

Yes I am, and I'm very concerned about the progress of our communities.

['X']

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP THE ONLY ONE I SEE DOING THAT IS BRO. MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.

TEEEEEEACH!!!!


Our Brother has been teaching and trying to wake us up for over 50 years and we refuse to take heed. He has clearly outlined from the teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad everything our people need to do to overcome our problems overnight!!!! I'm sure once our Brother is not here to teach us, many will grieve or pay tribute just as we have done many other Black leaders, but we refuse to listen while they are in our midst.

[MiChuhSuh]

The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad everything our people need to do to overcome our problems overnight!!!!

Care to share?

I have an idea - Everyone without a degree goes to school and for those who can't afford it, all people with the ability to survive and still have more money donate to support students.

AKA Communism (WHICH DOESN'T WORK)

See the problem is those types of ideas for "instant" change rarely are realistic

I'm not the type of refugee to unreasonably call every "red" politic evil, because once you look at it, some socialists had some good intentions

But what was the truly evil thing about it?

Karl Marx said ALL RELIGION WAS FAKE, AND THAT DEITIES WERE INVENTED TO CONTROL THE MASSES, INCLUDING ISLAM, which is why it surprises me that X would think Fidel Castro was a good example when he said ALL religions (including Islam) were fake.

In North Korea they execute all Christians, and when this shipment of Bibles came in, they had all the elementary school kids do a "homework assignment" to do a scavenger hunt for a black book with a yellow cross on it and bring it to school. Before the kids got home their parents of those who brought one in were already sent to concentration camps

In Cuba, there is a strong Catholic background, so they have all the kindergardeners and other younger kids pray in class for candy. The teacher has them do that for a while then sayd "open your eyes" and of course no candy. Then the teacher says "now close your eyes and pray to Fidel for candy as loud as you can" During this time the teacher goes around putting candy on the tables, has them open their eyes, and says "now you know who to pray to."

[Old Shatterhand]

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP THE ONLY ONE I SEE DOING THAT IS BRO. MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.

TEEEEEEACH!!!!


Our Brother has been teaching and trying to wake us up for over 50 years and we refuse to take heed. He has clearly outlined from the teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad everything our people need to do to overcome our problems overnight!!!! I'm sure once our Brother is not here to teach us, many will grieve or pay tribute just as we have done many other Black leaders, but we refuse to listen while they are in our midst.

You mean, like he talks about on television, when the UFO that is circling the earth beams him up. Yeah right.

[whoknows]

why not? u should state your reasons instead of just saying no...

I feel he still needs to work out his own issues, before he tries to work out the issues of others.

elaborate what's your beef with imam najee ali?

I have no beef with him, I just feel he doesn’t represent the black community at large.

fu-- a popularity contest......

I agree.

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

We can all lead at many different levels, but if one is trying to lead on a national level, one needs to have his own baggage in full check. What a leader does and not do affects the whole tribe.

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

Doing popular things in the hood is great, it’s not about the recognition, it’s about the deed. Secondly not all black people live in the hood.

not getting at u just want to know what your opinion is.

I hear ya. I think Ali is alright and he does some good things, but I feel that there is a better candidate out there that would better serve the black community as a leader. Mr. Ali cannot preach positivity on one hand and have a scandalous lifestyle on the other. That sends a mix message to the community. The black community deserves better than that. Secondly, I feel he hasn’t had enough time to really get a grasp on himself and the politics of properly representing black people at large.

This is just my opinion.

aight good response i'm a get back to ya...

[whoknows]

what qualifies some one to be a good black leader in your opinion?

We can all lead at many different levels, but if one is trying to lead on a national level, one needs to have his own baggage in full check. What a leader does and not do affects the whole tribe.

i feel ya when u say people should have their baggage in check before they try to take a stand on something. I mean its 1 thing to have a past and u are seriously trying to change like the apostle paul did, but its also something else when u say u are changed man but still doin dirt...

[whoknows]

someone in the hood doing positive stuff who doesn't get recognition for the things he does or some one on a popularity contest trying to b more popular than dr king and is getting recognition 4 the things they ain't doing.

Doing popular things in the hood is great, it’s not about the recognition, it’s about the deed. Secondly not all black people live in the hood.

"not all black people live in the hood" what do u mean by that?

ain't the hood where people need the most help? it sho ain't rich black suburbia.

what i don't understand is that their are alot of orginazations out here that seem to only help other rich blacks and it seems to me that the only time they come to the hood is when they can get publicity by standing up for an employee that got called a nigga at the coca cola plant or some shit like that. the only other time they come is when there is a disaster like katrina then thats when they got they hands out taking po peoples money then they put it in the form of sholarships for rich blacks that can afford college. it don't add up to me.

[MiChuhSuh]

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP THE ONLY ONE I SEE DOING THAT IS BRO. MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.

TEEEEEEACH!!!!


Our Brother has been teaching and trying to wake us up for over 50 years and we refuse to take heed. He has clearly outlined from the teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad everything our people need to do to overcome our problems overnight!!!! I'm sure once our Brother is not here to teach us, many will grieve or pay tribute just as we have done many other Black leaders, but we refuse to listen while they are in our midst.

You mean, like he talks about on television, when the UFO that is circling the earth beams him up. Yeah right.

The founders of the NOI are GENIUS.

They are truly masters of the mass manipulation and con game.

Who else convinced completely reasonable, educated, and knowledgable human beings that a UFO is going to take all of the black people?

That God is a man name "M. W. Fard" and he was talking with Elijah Mohammad?

On top of that convincing people that this was Islam when in the Qu'ran it clearly says that there will be no prophet(contact with God) after Prophet Mohammad (not Elijah)?

Using the mass movement of black power and anti-whites into a pyramid scheme and convincing intelligent people that a "BIG HEADED SCIENTIST NAMED YACOOB BREEDED THE LIGHTEST HUMANS TO CREATE A DEVIL RACE THAT BECAME THE WHITE MAN"

And then years later backpedal on the devil-white theory and still keeping membership and existance by continued focus on hating whites?

And kill off one of their greatest spokesman when he realized this was not Islam and was about to start his own organization but yet keep their members from believing it?

The only other group that comes close in this day and age is the Scientologists.

[Old Shatterhand]

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP THE ONLY ONE I SEE DOING THAT IS BRO. MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.

TEEEEEEACH!!!!


Our Brother has been teaching and trying to wake us up for over 50 years and we refuse to take heed. He has clearly outlined from the teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad everything our people need to do to overcome our problems overnight!!!! I'm sure once our Brother is not here to teach us, many will grieve or pay tribute just as we have done many other Black leaders, but we refuse to listen while they are in our midst.

You mean, like he talks about on television, when the UFO that is circling the earth beams him up. Yeah right.

The founders of the NOI are GENIUS.

They are truly masters of the mass manipulation and con game.

Who else convinced completely reasonable, educated, and knowledgable human beings that a UFO is going to take all of the black people?

That God is a man name "M. W. Fard" and he was talking with Elijah Mohammad?

On top of that convincing people that this was Islam when in the Qu'ran it clearly says that there will be no prophet (contact with God) after Prophet Mohammad (not Elijah)?

Using the mass movement of black power and anti-whites into a pyramid scheme and convincing intelligent people that a "BIG HEADED SCIENTIST NAMED YACOOB BREEDED THE LIGHTEST HUMANS TO CREATE A DEVIL RACE THAT BECAME THE WHITE MAN"

And then years later backpedal on the devil-white theory and still keeping membership and existance by continued focus on hating whites?

And kill off one of their greatest spokesman when he realized this was not Islam and was about to start his own organization but yet keep their members from believing it?

The only other group that comes close in this day and age is the Scientologists.

Hey! Stop talking about my great great great great great great.... great great grandfather like that! Rofl! I see you've been studying: Good.

And those scientiologists are a trippy group. The things I could tell you. Things I know about them that you have never heard. On the real and it goes DEEP.

[MiChuhSuh]

lol but NOI doesn't even go as deep as 5% NATION, they are the NOI's NOI, they are to NOI what NOI is to Islam

But man scientologists... someone told me at his college this professor got a hold of the "initiated" "high level" scientologists stuff and after the finals he had a presentation for everyone to laugh at them... LOL man

According to them Jesus, Mohhamad, Buddha, and some other religious figures were "false memory implants" put in humanity by an evil alien who "FORCED HUMANITY TO WATCH A MOVIE PRESENTATION WHICH LASTED 3 DAYS 5 HOURS and some odd minutes

It's gradual brainwashing, they slowly get you to trust them until they feed you that bs and you can take it without throwing up... don't mean to be vulgar but it sounds like training a ho to deepthroat

I bet for Tom Cruise and other celebs they treat special and don't tell them this stuff.

The only 5% I have some respect for is RZA but even he has trippy ideas, oh and Chuck D was scientologist or something like that

[Common Sense]

i feel ya when u say people should have their baggage in check before they try to take a stand on something. I mean its 1 thing to have a past and u are seriously trying to change like the apostle paul did, but its also something else when u say u are changed man but still doin dirt...

Agreed.

"not all black people live in the hood" what do u mean by that?

Black people are varied economically and socially just as much as the color of skin (dark skin to fair skin), If a leader is going to represent black people, he/she must be capable to cross many lines and boundaries, articulate and intelligently capable to represent all blacks.

A leader must be taken seriously not just by his own people, but by people he/she deals with directly. This is achieved by earned respect. A respected leader get things done for his people.

ain't the hood where people need the most help? it sho ain't rich black suburbia.

Yea, people in the inner cities or the lower socioeconmic class need the most help, but blacks in the surburbs are still black, and eventhough they may have more money, they still face some of the same prejudices. On some levels..all black people are in the same boat. Rich or not.

what i don't understand is that their are alot of orginazations out here that seem to only help other rich blacks and it seems to me that the only time they come to the hood is when they can get publicity by standing up for an employee that got called a nigga at the coca cola plant or some shit like that. the only other time they come is when there is a disaster like katrina then thats when they got they hands out taking po peoples money then they put it in the form of sholarships for rich blacks that can afford college. it don't add up to me.

I'm not familar with these organizations, but I do know that there are many organizations that are available for poor people. These organizations will give you job training, housing if needed, substance abuse help, and etc. Some of these orginizations can't meet there quota's, because no one is signing up. Opportunity is here in America for those that want it. I'm not trying to sound like a Jr. Republican, but when you travel the world, and you see how people from other countries don't have shit because their family didn't have shit for the last 100 years, don't have a chance in hell to "come up."
That's why people are trying like hell to risk their lives to come to America (despite all of our problems) to get theirs. Americans are so used to having everything laid out and shelved for us, that many of us "will not" work for anything anymore. The foreigner see's the opportunity and say's "As soon as I sneak into the country, I'm all over that."

Whoknows: Talk to people from other nations. First ask them, Why did they come to America?, then ask them, What was it like in their home country financially.

Poor blacks can make it with help, and the help is available today.

[Old Shatterhand]

lol but NOI doesn't even go as deep as 5% NATION, they are the NOI's NOI, they are to NOI what NOI is to Islam

But man scientologists... someone told me at his college this professor got a hold of the "initiated" "high level" scientologists stuff and after the finals he had a presentation for everyone to laugh at them... LOL man

According to them Jesus, Mohhamad, Buddha, and some other religious figures were "false memory implants" put in humanity by an evil alien who "FORCED HUMANITY TO WATCH A MOVIE PRESENTATION WHICH LASTED 3 DAYS 5 HOURS and some odd minutes

It's gradual brainwashing, they slowly get you to trust them until they feed you that bs and you can take it without throwing up... don't mean to be vulgar but it sounds like training a ho to deepthroat

I bet for Tom Cruise and other celebs they treat special and don't tell them this stuff.

The only 5% I have some respect for is RZA but even he has trippy ideas, oh and Chuck D was scientologist or something like that

Yeah those five percenters. The DC Snipers were part of that group weren't they?

Oh the scientologist rabbit hole goes deep.

Just a tidbit: Check out their involvement in rear viewing occult research at the Stanford Research Institute. It helps explain the obsession with Martians and UFOs among remote viewers. Much of the information they derive through remote viewing sounds like recycled science fiction from the pen of Ron Hubbard.

As you probably already know, Scientology involves occultism of the highest order, including all of the lies from the serphent in the Garden teaching we are all uncreated omnipotent, omniscient beings called "Thetans" who created this entire MEST (Matter, Energy Space, Time continuum) in which we live. We created creatures as well, then incarnated their bodes. As they died and evolved to higher levels, we repeatedly reincarnated. Finally, having evolved to our present status as humans, we were so far removed from our origin as Thetans that we forgot who we are. Scientology puts one through a process that combines psychotherapy with Eastern mysticism taking one back to through their past lives on the road from Thetan to human peeling off the "engrams" (traumas) picked up along the way. When the process is complete they are considered "Cleared" and considered, by scientologists, to be operating Thetans (i.e. gods).

Anyone who believes that scenario and imagines they are an omnipotent, omniscient god is clearly under heavy delusion.

Obviously occult power is at work in remote viewing (check the stories of the military going to the Catholic Church because officers involved in the SRI experiments became possessed) and it's all part of the occult invasion predicted in the last days which someday will arrive. Hopefully I won't be here when it does... lol.

[Common Sense]

What do you guys think about Barack Obama?
http://obama.senate.gov/

[Old Shatterhand]

What do you guys think about Barack Obama?
http://obama.senate.gov/

Hehe.. and I quote from his site:

"WASHINGTON - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) today announced the introduction of legislation that would publicly disclose all recipients of federal funding and financial assistance. The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S. 2590) will allow taxpayers to see how their money is being spent..."