Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Religion is probably the biggest divider in world history, but for those that believe in God it is central to our existence. Share your views.
Post Reply
Anonymous20

Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Anonymous20 » January 12th, 2005, 5:01 pm

ok..

What is Nation of Islam.. i know malcom x at first were a NOI member..
But whats the difference between "real" muslims?

I got several friends from Turky, Somalia, iraq etc.. and they are muslims..

what excactly is nation of islam? and do they believe in the same things as "real" muslims?

dont know SHIT about this

kiwibro
Straw Weight
Straw Weight
Posts: 34
Joined: January 4th, 2005, 1:19 am

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by kiwibro » January 12th, 2005, 7:38 pm

here's a webpage i found i don't know if the info is correct (so if it isn't correct you people can say i'm wrong)

[url]http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/noi.html[/url]

TmaaN

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TmaaN » January 12th, 2005, 7:55 pm

NOI founder was a White Dude by the name of "Wallace D. Ford"
...How ironic. Nuff said...

Anonymous20

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Anonymous20 » January 13th, 2005, 9:17 am

hhaha is that true?


ive heard malcolm x at first was a NOI member, but later on he visited mecca and there he saw white (turks etc) together with black people (somalians and other africans) .. so he "converted" to the real islam..

thanx for the link.. can someone tell me more about the difference between these two

User avatar
Kemosave
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1171
Joined: July 1st, 2004, 10:03 am

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Kemosave » January 13th, 2005, 4:38 pm

Here we go again.. lol. The truth:

The Nation of Islam (NOI)
By Cky J. Carrigan, Ph.D. (11-02)

I. Nation of Islam AT-A-Glance

A. Established in Detroit (1930) by W.D. Fard.
B. Synthesis of four movements: Black Nationalism, Black Freemasonry, Islam & Christianity.
C. Key Leaders: W.D. Fard, Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, W. Deen
Mohammed and Louis Farrakhan.
D. Key beliefs

1. W.D. Fard is Allah (God) in the flesh.
2. Elijah Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (Fard).
3. All Blacks are divine and will ascend to worldwide political supremacy.
4. All Whites are demons and will descend from political supremacy and be destroyed.

E. Membership: 20,000-50,000 in the U.S., and less than 100,000 worldwide. The influence of NOI among blacks is far greater than its membership. In 1995, hundreds of thousands of black men gathered with NOI’s leader, Louis Farrakhan, for the “Million-Man-March” in Washington, DC.

II. Historical Development

A. The NOI began in the context of Black Nationalism during the early twentieth century (1913-1929).
B. Black Nationalism arose in the context of political, religious and cultural oppression of blacks by whites (slavery and post-slavery conduct).
C. Two key political and religious forerunners of the NOI were Marcus Garvey (mainly political) and Noble Drew Ali (mainly religious).

1. Marcus Garvey (Universal Negro Improvement Assoc., est. 1914).
a. Directly influenced W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad, and Garvey’s writings indirectly influenced Malcolm X.
b. Promoted independent black commerce and industry, and the emigration of all blacks to Africa.
c. Taught that whites were an inferior race and that God was black.
d. UNIA grew to become the largest black social movement in American history with six million dues paying members in US.
e. Garvey was jailed in 1922 for mail fraud and deported to Jamaica.

2. Noble Drew Ali (Moorish Science Temple, est. 1913)
a. MST is synthesis of black nationalism, fringe Islam (including Sufi-Islam), Freemasonry, and Gnosticism.
b. Christianity is the white religion and Islam is the black religion.
c. Whites are the embodiment of evil—Satan.
d. All blacks and olive skinned people are “Asiatics” descended from the Moabites (the original race).
e. Islam’s prophet, Muhammad, was the reincarnation of Jesus.
f. Ali was the third reincarnation of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.
g. Ali’s died in 1929.

3. Garvey’s imprisonment and deportation in 1922, and Ali’s death in 1929 left a vacuum of leadership in the black nationalism movement (Enter W.D. Fard).

D. NOI founded by W.D. Fard (1930).

1. W.D. Fard -- aka Wallace D. Fard, Farrad Mohammad, F. Mohammad Ali, Professor Ford, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Wali Farrad.
2. Fard’s fingerprints and photographs match those of convicted felon and drug user Wallie D. Ford born in Portland, Oregon on February 25, 1891, the son of Hawaiian immigrants.
3. Fard and the NOI claim that Fard is NOT Wallie D. Ford, from Portland, Oregon.
4. Fard and the NOI claim the Fard was born in Mecca, the son of a black father and white mother.
5. Fard was heavily influenced by the black nationalism of both Garvey and Ali and may have even been a member of Ali’s Moorish Science Temple.
6. Fard arrived in Detroit on July 4, 1930 as a silk and raincoat salesman with a vision for leading the black nationalism movement.
7. From the summer of 1930 to the summer of 1933, Fard gathered eight thousand members of the NOI.
8. After several arrests, Fard was ordered by police to leave Detroit in May 1933. He left Detroit for Chicago, then “disappeared.” Fard never made another public appearance after the summer of 1933.
9. The NOI believes he is still alive, living in concealment, waiting for the appointed time to “re-appear.”
10. Fard led the NOI through his appointed Messenger--Elijah Muhammad.

E. Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975)

1. Born 1897 in Georgia as Elijah Poole to Mariah and William Poole, a
Baptist minister.
2. Moved from Georgia to Detroit in 1923 and joined Garvey’s UNIA and Prince Hall Masonic Lodge (Black Freemasonry).
3. Rejected Christianity because it supported slavery and oppression.
4. Met Fard in 1931 and became the “Messenger of Allah (Fard)” shortly thereafter.
5. Claimed that he spoke with Fard-Allah regularly.
6. Led NOI from 1933 (Fard’s disappearance) to his death in 1975.

F. Malcolm X (1925-1965)

1. Born 1925 in Nebraska as Malcolm Little to Louise and Earl Little, a Baptist preacher.
2. Father died, Malcolm housed in foster-care, became a criminal.
3. Imprisoned for burglary from 1946-1952. Introduced to NOI teachings while in prison.
4. Met Elijah Muhammad and joined NOI in 1952.
5. Became NOI minister in 1954.
6. Went on Middle East tour of Muslim world in 1959 where he discovered the legal enslavement of Africans by Muslim Saudis, the lack of racial prejudice in Middle Eastern Islam, and the failure to recognize W.D. Fard as Allah.
7. Became NOI’s premier apologist for NOI against Muslim and Christian critics.
8. Became disillusioned with Elijah Muhammad for moral reasons and was suspended from the NOI by Elijah in 1963.
9. Made the pilgrimage to Mecca for the Hajj in 1964 and became a Sunni Muslim, rejecting Elijah Muhammad and the racist teachings of NOI.
10. Founded the Organization for Afro-American Unity (OAAU) in 1964.
11. Murdered in 1965 by three NOI members.

G. W. Deen Mohammed (aka Warith D. Muhammad) (1933—present).

1. Seventh son of Elijah Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (W.D. Fard).
2. While imprisoned for draft evasion for eighteen months in 1961-62, he studied traditional Islam and became convinced that his father (Elijah Muhammad) was wrong and W.D. Fard was a fraud.
3. He was influenced by the teachings of Malcolm X who had become a critic of Elijah Muhammad and NOI teachings by then.
4. His beliefs resulted in a series of suspensions and reinstatements by his father, but he was reinstated before his father died.
5. Became NOI leader upon Elijah’s death in 1975.
6. Changed several fundamental NOI doctrines and merged with traditional Islam.
a. W.D. Fard not Allah.
b. Elijah Muhammad not the Messenger of Allah.
c. Blacks not superior to whites.

7. Renamed NOI to the “World Community of Islam in the West” (WCIW).

The Islamic group now associated with Imam W. Deen Mohammed is called the American Muslim Mission.

8. Louis Farrakhan objected to W. Deen Mohammed’s innovations, split with the WCIW, and reinstituted the NOI in 1978.

H. Louis Farrakhan (1933 – present)

1. Born 1933 in Massachusetts as Louis Walcott to Mae Clark and a man Louis never knew. Mae Clark was West Indian and Louis’ father may have been a white man.
2. Raised in an Episcopalian Christian context.
3. Became a Garveyite (UNIA).
4. Heard Elijah Muhammad speak in 1955, and he became a member of the NOI Temple in New York that same year due to the influence of Malcolm X.
5. Malcolm X taught and mentored Farrakhan for two years until Farrakhan was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the Boston Temple in 1957.
6. He was a strong defender of Elijah Muhammad against the criticisms of Malcolm X and W. Deen Mohammed.
7. In 1965, he was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the New York Temple #7 after Malcolm X’s assassination.
8. In 1967, Elijah Muhammad made him the national spokesman for the NOI.
9. He reinstituted the NOI in 1978 after W. Deen Mohammed had taken Elijah Muhammad’s group into traditional Islam.
10. There is some evidence that suggests that Farrakhan may be moving away from Fardian Islam and moving toward traditional Islam, but recent statements by Farrakhan indicate that he is still loyal to Fardian Islam (ie. Fard is Allah and Elijah Muhammad is his messenger).

I. NOI Divisions
1. John Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad’s brother, claims that he is the
legitimate leader of Fard’s NOI and Fard continues to speak through him.
2. Silas Muhammad formed the Lost-Found Nation of Islam in Atlanta when Elijah Muhammad died.
3. Hanafi Muslims follow Sunni Islam and broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive.
4. Clarence 13X broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive and called his group “The Five Percenters.”
5. Solomon founded the United Nation of Islam and teaches that he himself is Allah in the flesh in the same way that Fard was Allah in the flesh.

J. Summary of the development of the Nation of Islam

1. In 1930, W.D. Fard founded the NOI and led it till 1933.
2. In 1933, Elijah Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah (Fard) and led the NOI from 1933 to his death in 1975.
3. W. Deen Mohammed became the leader of the NOI upon the death of Elijah Muhammad in 1975. He renamed the NOI the WCIW and rejected Fardian Islam so as to conform with traditional Islam. W. Deen Mohammed’s group is now called the American Muslim Mission.
4. In 1978, Louis Farrakhan reinstituted Fardian NOI.

III. NOI Doctrine

A. Revelation and Authority

1. The Bible is a poisoned and corrupt book that is only true when interpreted properly by W.D. Fard or Elijah Muhammad. The white-Christian interpretation of the Bible is false.
2. The Qur’an is a holy and pure book that comes directly from God.
3. Revelation continues with the teachings of W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. The Bible and even the Qur’an are secondary next to the current teachings of W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad.
4. A new holy book will be revealed in the future. This “Last Book” will be written by W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. This new book will be the Muslim guide to life in the next dispensation of black reign.

B. God(s)

1. Finite Monotheism: There is only one God at a time, and he is finite.
2. God is finite (human) and black.
3. The first God was a man—the original black man, who created himself out of total darkness. Thus God will always be, both man and black.
4. There has been a succession of Gods who live about two hundred years each. W.D. Fard is the latest in a string of Gods and therefore the Supreme God.
5. The black race is also God collectively.

C. The Divine Nature of the Black Race

1. The black race is descended from the original race of mankind called the Shabazz people, who are descended from God himself.
2. Since God is black, blackness is divine.

D. The Demonic Nature of the White Race

1. Six thousand years ago, an evil scientist named Yakub purposely bred a white race of liars and murderers for evil purposes. Yakub manipulated the gene pool for hundreds of years and murdered dark infants until he created a lying murdering white-skinned and blue-eyed people.
2. Yakub’s breeding scheme not only produced physical features of white skin and blue eyes, it also produced an evil race of demons who would oppress original black man for a time.
3. For two thousand years, white demons lived as cavemen in Europe until Moses (a black man) brought them back to civilization where Allah has allowed them to rule over creation for four thousand years.
4. Christianity is the white devil’s religion and therefore must be as evil as he is. Every black man who is a Christian has been deceived by the white devil.
5. Black men with white (European) names should change them to a Muslim name as a sign of unyoking themselves from the white demon deception.

E. Salvation

1. There is no resurrection of the dead, only a waking-up to Fardian Islam.
2. There is no eternal life for the just. (Nobody lives forever, not even God.)
3. Salvation is inward moral righteousness and separation from the demonic white man and his corrupt ways.
4. Salvation is the recognition of black divinity, and deliverance from the oppression of the evil white man.

F. Armageddon

1. Armageddon is the final battle (jihad) between the righteous and the unrighteous, between Fardian Islam (righteous) and Christianity (unrighteous).
2. In the end, W.D. Fard (Allah) will reappear from his present concealment and lead a jihad against the white devils.
3. While the original black nation has been “asleep,” Allah (Fard) has been preparing for the great jihad.
4. Allah has been building the “Mother Plane” (Ezekiel’s wheel within a wheel). The Mother Plane is a war machine composed of 1500 flying bombers located inside a base ship that travels faster than the eye can see.
5. The “Mother Plane” will appear soon to annihilate the entire white
race and black Christians (apostates called “Uncle Toms”) in America and England.
6. Blacks will be delivered from the destruction of the Mother Plane if they follow instructions about how to flee to safety when the Mother Plane appears.

G. The Nation of Islam and Traditional Islam: According to traditional Islamic scholars and Imams, the doctrines of the NOI stated above put the NOI outside the scope of traditional Islam.

43RDPLACE
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 126
Joined: December 16th, 2004, 8:22 pm
Location: East of Central, North of Vernon, West of Hooper, and South of 41st

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by 43RDPLACE » January 13th, 2005, 7:42 pm

Kemosave wrote:Here we go again.. lol. The truth:

The Nation of Islam (NOI)
By Cky J. Carrigan, Ph.D. (11-02)

I. Nation of Islam AT-A-Glance

A. Established in Detroit (1930) by W.D. Fard.
B. Synthesis of four movements: Black Nationalism, Black Freemasonry, Islam & Christianity.
C. Key Leaders: W.D. Fard, Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, W. Deen
Mohammed and Louis Farrakhan.
D. Key beliefs

1. W.D. Fard is Allah (God) in the flesh.
2. Elijah Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (Fard).
3. All Blacks are divine and will ascend to worldwide political supremacy.
4. All Whites are demons and will descend from political supremacy and be destroyed.

E. Membership: 20,000-50,000 in the U.S., and less than 100,000 worldwide. The influence of NOI among blacks is far greater than its membership. In 1995, hundreds of thousands of black men gathered with NOI’s leader, Louis Farrakhan, for the “Million-Man-March” in Washington, DC.

II. Historical Development

A. The NOI began in the context of Black Nationalism during the early twentieth century (1913-1929).
B. Black Nationalism arose in the context of political, religious and cultural oppression of blacks by whites (slavery and post-slavery conduct).
C. Two key political and religious forerunners of the NOI were Marcus Garvey (mainly political) and Noble Drew Ali (mainly religious).

1. Marcus Garvey (Universal Negro Improvement Assoc., est. 1914).
a. Directly influenced W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad, and Garvey’s writings indirectly influenced Malcolm X.
b. Promoted independent black commerce and industry, and the emigration of all blacks to Africa.
c. Taught that whites were an inferior race and that God was black.
d. UNIA grew to become the largest black social movement in American history with six million dues paying members in US.
e. Garvey was jailed in 1922 for mail fraud and deported to Jamaica.

2. Noble Drew Ali (Moorish Science Temple, est. 1913)
a. MST is synthesis of black nationalism, fringe Islam (including Sufi-Islam), Freemasonry, and Gnosticism.
b. Christianity is the white religion and Islam is the black religion.
c. Whites are the embodiment of evil—Satan.
d. All blacks and olive skinned people are “Asiatics” descended from the Moabites (the original race).
e. Islam’s prophet, Muhammad, was the reincarnation of Jesus.
f. Ali was the third reincarnation of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.
g. Ali’s died in 1929.

3. Garvey’s imprisonment and deportation in 1922, and Ali’s death in 1929 left a vacuum of leadership in the black nationalism movement (Enter W.D. Fard).

D. NOI founded by W.D. Fard (1930).

1. W.D. Fard -- aka Wallace D. Fard, Farrad Mohammad, F. Mohammad Ali, Professor Ford, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Wali Farrad.
2. Fard’s fingerprints and photographs match those of convicted felon and drug user Wallie D. Ford born in Portland, Oregon on February 25, 1891, the son of Hawaiian immigrants.
3. Fard and the NOI claim that Fard is NOT Wallie D. Ford, from Portland, Oregon.
4. Fard and the NOI claim the Fard was born in Mecca, the son of a black father and white mother.
5. Fard was heavily influenced by the black nationalism of both Garvey and Ali and may have even been a member of Ali’s Moorish Science Temple.
6. Fard arrived in Detroit on July 4, 1930 as a silk and raincoat salesman with a vision for leading the black nationalism movement.
7. From the summer of 1930 to the summer of 1933, Fard gathered eight thousand members of the NOI.
8. After several arrests, Fard was ordered by police to leave Detroit in May 1933. He left Detroit for Chicago, then “disappeared.” Fard never made another public appearance after the summer of 1933.
9. The NOI believes he is still alive, living in concealment, waiting for the appointed time to “re-appear.”
10. Fard led the NOI through his appointed Messenger--Elijah Muhammad.

E. Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975)

1. Born 1897 in Georgia as Elijah Poole to Mariah and William Poole, a
Baptist minister.
2. Moved from Georgia to Detroit in 1923 and joined Garvey’s UNIA and Prince Hall Masonic Lodge (Black Freemasonry).
3. Rejected Christianity because it supported slavery and oppression.
4. Met Fard in 1931 and became the “Messenger of Allah (Fard)” shortly thereafter.
5. Claimed that he spoke with Fard-Allah regularly.
6. Led NOI from 1933 (Fard’s disappearance) to his death in 1975.

F. Malcolm X (1925-1965)

1. Born 1925 in Nebraska as Malcolm Little to Louise and Earl Little, a Baptist preacher.
2. Father died, Malcolm housed in foster-care, became a criminal.
3. Imprisoned for burglary from 1946-1952. Introduced to NOI teachings while in prison.
4. Met Elijah Muhammad and joined NOI in 1952.
5. Became NOI minister in 1954.
6. Went on Middle East tour of Muslim world in 1959 where he discovered the legal enslavement of Africans by Muslim Saudis, the lack of racial prejudice in Middle Eastern Islam, and the failure to recognize W.D. Fard as Allah.
7. Became NOI’s premier apologist for NOI against Muslim and Christian critics.
8. Became disillusioned with Elijah Muhammad for moral reasons and was suspended from the NOI by Elijah in 1963.
9. Made the pilgrimage to Mecca for the Hajj in 1964 and became a Sunni Muslim, rejecting Elijah Muhammad and the racist teachings of NOI.
10. Founded the Organization for Afro-American Unity (OAAU) in 1964.
11. Murdered in 1965 by three NOI members.

G. W. Deen Mohammed (aka Warith D. Muhammad) (1933—present).

1. Seventh son of Elijah Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah (W.D. Fard).
2. While imprisoned for draft evasion for eighteen months in 1961-62, he studied traditional Islam and became convinced that his father (Elijah Muhammad) was wrong and W.D. Fard was a fraud.
3. He was influenced by the teachings of Malcolm X who had become a critic of Elijah Muhammad and NOI teachings by then.
4. His beliefs resulted in a series of suspensions and reinstatements by his father, but he was reinstated before his father died.
5. Became NOI leader upon Elijah’s death in 1975.
6. Changed several fundamental NOI doctrines and merged with traditional Islam.
a. W.D. Fard not Allah.
b. Elijah Muhammad not the Messenger of Allah.
c. Blacks not superior to whites.

7. Renamed NOI to the “World Community of Islam in the West” (WCIW).

The Islamic group now associated with Imam W. Deen Mohammed is called the American Muslim Mission.

8. Louis Farrakhan objected to W. Deen Mohammed’s innovations, split with the WCIW, and reinstituted the NOI in 1978.

H. Louis Farrakhan (1933 – present)

1. Born 1933 in Massachusetts as Louis Walcott to Mae Clark and a man Louis never knew. Mae Clark was West Indian and Louis’ father may have been a white man.
2. Raised in an Episcopalian Christian context.
3. Became a Garveyite (UNIA).
4. Heard Elijah Muhammad speak in 1955, and he became a member of the NOI Temple in New York that same year due to the influence of Malcolm X.
5. Malcolm X taught and mentored Farrakhan for two years until Farrakhan was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the Boston Temple in 1957.
6. He was a strong defender of Elijah Muhammad against the criticisms of Malcolm X and W. Deen Mohammed.
7. In 1965, he was appointed by Elijah Muhammad to be the minister of the New York Temple #7 after Malcolm X’s assassination.
8. In 1967, Elijah Muhammad made him the national spokesman for the NOI.
9. He reinstituted the NOI in 1978 after W. Deen Mohammed had taken Elijah Muhammad’s group into traditional Islam.
10. There is some evidence that suggests that Farrakhan may be moving away from Fardian Islam and moving toward traditional Islam, but recent statements by Farrakhan indicate that he is still loyal to Fardian Islam (ie. Fard is Allah and Elijah Muhammad is his messenger).

I. NOI Divisions
1. John Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad’s brother, claims that he is the
legitimate leader of Fard’s NOI and Fard continues to speak through him.
2. Silas Muhammad formed the Lost-Found Nation of Islam in Atlanta when Elijah Muhammad died.
3. Hanafi Muslims follow Sunni Islam and broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive.
4. Clarence 13X broke away from NOI while Elijah Muhammad was still alive and called his group “The Five Percenters.”
5. Solomon founded the United Nation of Islam and teaches that he himself is Allah in the flesh in the same way that Fard was Allah in the flesh.

J. Summary of the development of the Nation of Islam

1. In 1930, W.D. Fard founded the NOI and led it till 1933.
2. In 1933, Elijah Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah (Fard) and led the NOI from 1933 to his death in 1975.
3. W. Deen Mohammed became the leader of the NOI upon the death of Elijah Muhammad in 1975. He renamed the NOI the WCIW and rejected Fardian Islam so as to conform with traditional Islam. W. Deen Mohammed’s group is now called the American Muslim Mission.
4. In 1978, Louis Farrakhan reinstituted Fardian NOI.

III. NOI Doctrine

A. Revelation and Authority

1. The Bible is a poisoned and corrupt book that is only true when interpreted properly by W.D. Fard or Elijah Muhammad. The white-Christian interpretation of the Bible is false.
2. The Qur’an is a holy and pure book that comes directly from God.
3. Revelation continues with the teachings of W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. The Bible and even the Qur’an are secondary next to the current teachings of W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammad.
4. A new holy book will be revealed in the future. This “Last Book” will be written by W.D. Fard (Allah) and his Messenger, Elijah Muhammad. This new book will be the Muslim guide to life in the next dispensation of black reign.

B. God(s)

1. Finite Monotheism: There is only one God at a time, and he is finite.
2. God is finite (human) and black.
3. The first God was a man—the original black man, who created himself out of total darkness. Thus God will always be, both man and black.
4. There has been a succession of Gods who live about two hundred years each. W.D. Fard is the latest in a string of Gods and therefore the Supreme God.
5. The black race is also God collectively.

C. The Divine Nature of the Black Race

1. The black race is descended from the original race of mankind called the Shabazz people, who are descended from God himself.
2. Since God is black, blackness is divine.

D. The Demonic Nature of the White Race

1. Six thousand years ago, an evil scientist named Yakub purposely bred a white race of liars and murderers for evil purposes. Yakub manipulated the gene pool for hundreds of years and murdered dark infants until he created a lying murdering white-skinned and blue-eyed people.
2. Yakub’s breeding scheme not only produced physical features of white skin and blue eyes, it also produced an evil race of demons who would oppress original black man for a time.
3. For two thousand years, white demons lived as cavemen in Europe until Moses (a black man) brought them back to civilization where Allah has allowed them to rule over creation for four thousand years.
4. Christianity is the white devil’s religion and therefore must be as evil as he is. Every black man who is a Christian has been deceived by the white devil.
5. Black men with white (European) names should change them to a Muslim name as a sign of unyoking themselves from the white demon deception.

E. Salvation

1. There is no resurrection of the dead, only a waking-up to Fardian Islam.
2. There is no eternal life for the just. (Nobody lives forever, not even God.)
3. Salvation is inward moral righteousness and separation from the demonic white man and his corrupt ways.
4. Salvation is the recognition of black divinity, and deliverance from the oppression of the evil white man.

F. Armageddon

1. Armageddon is the final battle (jihad) between the righteous and the unrighteous, between Fardian Islam (righteous) and Christianity (unrighteous).
2. In the end, W.D. Fard (Allah) will reappear from his present concealment and lead a jihad against the white devils.
3. While the original black nation has been “asleep,” Allah (Fard) has been preparing for the great jihad.
4. Allah has been building the “Mother Plane” (Ezekiel’s wheel within a wheel). The Mother Plane is a war machine composed of 1500 flying bombers located inside a base ship that travels faster than the eye can see.
5. The “Mother Plane” will appear soon to annihilate the entire white
race and black Christians (apostates called “Uncle Toms”) in America and England.
6. Blacks will be delivered from the destruction of the Mother Plane if they follow instructions about how to flee to safety when the Mother Plane appears.

G. The Nation of Islam and Traditional Islam: According to traditional Islamic scholars and Imams, the doctrines of the NOI stated above put the NOI outside the scope of traditional Islam.


And you mothafuccas are Muslims?

1111§
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 378
Joined: September 3rd, 2004, 7:41 am

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by 1111§ » January 14th, 2005, 8:03 am

SON OFHAWAIIAN IMMIGRANTS???lolololol

User avatar
B.M.W-Soldier
Straw Weight
Straw Weight
Posts: 45
Joined: November 30th, 2004, 11:17 pm

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by B.M.W-Soldier » January 14th, 2005, 8:31 am

is this fard?[img]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=fard+muhammad/v=2/SID=e/TID=I012_76/l=IVI/SIG=11p6f7lbb/EXP=1105802902/*-http%3A//www.fctp.co.uk/images/fard.gif[/img]
If he was a white man to adopt those religios beliefs is pretty crazy just like story's of undercover jews that joined the nazi party and killed other jews for hitler.All the muslims I know even moors don't believe in ther doctrine since they heavily altar the quran for there own personal use

Cold Bear
Heavy Weight
Heavy Weight
Posts: 2079
Joined: March 18th, 2004, 12:22 pm
What city do you live in now?: New York City
Location: L.A. to Brooklyn, NY

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Cold Bear » January 14th, 2005, 8:42 am

That’s right the Q’uran itself is not sexist or extremist. It’s the first written religion that says women should have their own property, apart from men.

D33Q
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 105
Joined: September 4th, 2004, 11:33 pm
Location: STREATHAM

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by D33Q » January 14th, 2005, 10:10 am

a yo man Nation of islam no disrespect are a JOKE. im a muslim an follow wat the quran tells me and i know that muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet...not no elijah muhammad or none that bullsh!t...again no disprespect but the quran has mentioned several things to happen which has happened over the years...i.e. more females than male, women gon be more revealin, iraq (which at that time had another name) is gon be confused wondering wether they will eva have a leader and as i see thats happenin naw..these are just 3 and theres many but im still learning

anywayz any1 gettin offended me taking a swipe at NOI, i meant no disrespect i myself is a african-american muslim

peace

and oh yea, how the fcuk u let a white boi be the boss of a act which totally hates whites? i mean damn i had to luagh my azz off when i first read that...read it twice to make sure the first time i read it was true...LOL

sealivin
Straw Weight
Straw Weight
Posts: 91
Joined: February 22nd, 2004, 4:10 pm
Location: phoenix, AZ by way of SEA

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by sealivin » January 14th, 2005, 11:20 am

from my understanding wd fard was half white and half black. i could be wrong.

Anonymous20

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Anonymous20 » January 14th, 2005, 12:51 pm

hahahahahah ironic..


what do NOI members think about the real islam ?
Somalians etc.
they had to get the name Nation of Islam and call themselves muslims?
its confusing man..

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » March 11th, 2005, 12:32 am

It's sad 2 see Black men getting entrapped into believing this garbage. They say the NOI is growing rapidly and calling Islam the fastest growing religion. It's funny how folk can twist the truth into their own meaning and have others believing the same thing. Farrakhan is sending alot black folk 2 hell right along with himself. He's going 2 have alot of company. I hope and pray u who seek the truth find it. But the sad thing about this is when u find the truth it's going 2 be 2 late. The NOI are so devoted 2 this nonsense they believe and it has no good cause at all. 4 u who believe that the NOI is something good, u are living 1 of the greatest lies ever told. U are a bunch of lost, brainwashed, racist, and prejudice people. Y'all take the BIBLE and twist it and try 2 make proof of the fictitious information y'all are teaching. Talking about the Bible is only true when being interpreted by W.D.Fard(a mutt, a half-breed)Elijah Muhammad, and I reckon u now can say Louis Farrakhan. No matter how much the NOI denounce Christianity, JESUS as the Son of GOD, and GOD himself I still love each and every 1 of u. May GOD not the imaginary Allah bless us all!
Last edited by TarHeelRED on March 19th, 2005, 9:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
'X'
Super Heavy Weight
Super Heavy Weight
Posts: 3127
Joined: May 31st, 2004, 10:36 am
Country: Hong Kong, China
If in the United States: North Dakota
What city do you live in now?: ........

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by 'X' » March 18th, 2005, 2:00 am

Man, some of you can't be serious! For one, I see some of you still indulging with this madness and have been going back and forth over the same foolishness for months now on this site. I KNOW you have to have something better to do. Anyway, I still see some of you are posting the same lame post and links to the same sites that you have before. If the cat who started this thread wants to know about the NOI, my suggestion to you is ask a member such as myself, and not expect these on here who may know noone in the NOI, or may have only seen the movie about Bro. Malcolm, or read bogus info on the NOI to give you a truthful response. I'm sitting here laughing at some of these remarks to what some think the NOI is about. Obviously there are some learned men and women on this site, but it's also very plain to see that are some kids on here who is still in the joking and playing stage of their lives. I mean look at some of these comments!! They can't be coming from mature adults. I'm not even going into breaking down any so-called "differences" of Islam. For those who are interested in the truth, and is not with the kiddy games, pm me and we can chop it up respectfully. Much respect to those on here who are seeking knowledge and are interested in the the upliftment of our people.

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » March 19th, 2005, 9:08 pm

D.X. wrote:Man, some of you can't be serious! For one, I see some of you still indulging with this madness and have been going back and forth over the same foolishness for months now on this site. I KNOW you have to have something better to do. Anyway, I still see some of you are posting the same lame post and links to the same sites that you have before. If the cat who started this thread wants to know about the NOI, my suggestion to you is ask a member such as myself, and not expect these on here who may know noone in the NOI, or may have only seen the movie about Bro. Malcolm, or read bogus info on the NOI to give you a truthful response. I'm sitting here laughing at some of these remarks to what some think the NOI is about. Obviously there are some learned men and women on this site, but it's also very plain to see that are some kids on here who is still in the joking and playing stage of their lives. I mean look at some of these comments!! They can't be coming from mature adults. I'm not even going into breaking down any so-called "differences" of Islam. For those who are interested in the truth, and is not with the kiddy games, pm me and we can chop it up respectfully. Much respect to those on here who are seeking knowledge and are interested in the the upliftment of our people.


D.X. I'm not just going by stuff I've heard, I talked 2 this dude just last week, who is an active, devoted member of the NOI. Me and this dude talked on the phone for 3 1/2 hours. I called him because I wanted 2 know the so called TRUTH about the Nation of Islam. I'm not going by rumors, I have carefully speculated this area of interest 4 myself. I have logged onto beliefnet.com and have read excerpts of Elijah Muhammad's book, A Message to the Black Man In America(I think this is the title ). I read the Final Call online. So I'm not like the unknowing, kid- folk, joking and playing around on this forum that u are referring 2. I do my research dog. I believe I handled this in a mature manner. I'm just expressing my views and beliefs on this topic in this particular forum.

User avatar
Kemosave
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1171
Joined: July 1st, 2004, 10:03 am

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Kemosave » March 21st, 2005, 1:12 am

TarHeelRED wrote:It's sad 2 see Black men getting entrapped into believing this garbage. They say the NOI is growing rapidly and calling Islam the fastest growing religion. It's funny how folk can twist the truth into their own meaning and have others believing the same thing. Farrakhan is sending alot black folk 2 hell right along with himself. He's going 2 have alot of company. I hope and pray u who seek the truth find it. But the sad thing about this is when u find the truth it's going 2 be 2 late. The NOI are so devoted 2 this nonsense they believe and it has no good cause at all. 4 u who believe that the NOI is something good, u are living 1 of the greatest lies ever told. U are a bunch of lost, brainwashed, racist, and prejudice people. Y'all take the BIBLE and twist it and try 2 make proof of the fictitious information y'all are teaching. Talking about the Bible is only true when being interpreted by W.D.Fard(a mutt, a half-breed)Elijah Muhammad, and I reckon u now can say Louis Farrakhan. No matter how much the NOI denounce Christianity, JESUS as the Son of GOD, and GOD himself I still love each and every 1 of u. May GOD not the imaginary Allah bless us all!


Bravo! Stand with the real truth :).

P.S. Don't hate me I'm just a messenger.

----------------

Note: You will need a fast internet connection and acrobat reader to access the fbi documents on Wallace d. Fard:

http://www.answering-islam.org/NoI/fard.html

http://www.accesshistory.com/fard.html

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » March 21st, 2005, 9:58 pm

Thanks Kemosave!!

User avatar
Kemosave
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1171
Joined: July 1st, 2004, 10:03 am

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by Kemosave » March 22nd, 2005, 8:20 pm

TarHeelRED wrote:Thanks Kemosave!!


You did the right thing Brother. Sounds like you started to really seek to qualify what was being said and how that works and is played out in reality for yourself. I salute you for that!

Now understand that real scientific genetic studies (check out the article I posted in Evolution vs Creation where I have cited the specific studies something nobody else ever does on this board it would seem) shows that all of us (everyone from every race) come from an original man and an original woman. Peace.

User avatar
purplecityhello
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1851
Joined: October 7th, 2004, 10:51 am
Location: Harlem World aka Purple City
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by purplecityhello » March 22nd, 2005, 8:35 pm

The original man, Allah has declared, is none other than the black man. The black man is the first and the last, maker and owner of the universe. From him came all brown, yellow, red and white people

User avatar
'X'
Super Heavy Weight
Super Heavy Weight
Posts: 3127
Joined: May 31st, 2004, 10:36 am
Country: Hong Kong, China
If in the United States: North Dakota
What city do you live in now?: ........

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by 'X' » March 22nd, 2005, 10:54 pm

TarHeelRED wrote:
D.X. wrote:Man, some of you can't be serious! For one, I see some of you still indulging with this madness and have been going back and forth over the same foolishness for months now on this site. I KNOW you have to have something better to do. Anyway, I still see some of you are posting the same lame post and links to the same sites that you have before. If the cat who started this thread wants to know about the NOI, my suggestion to you is ask a member such as myself, and not expect these on here who may know noone in the NOI, or may have only seen the movie about Bro. Malcolm, or read bogus info on the NOI to give you a truthful response. I'm sitting here laughing at some of these remarks to what some think the NOI is about. Obviously there are some learned men and women on this site, but it's also very plain to see that are some kids on here who is still in the joking and playing stage of their lives. I mean look at some of these comments!! They can't be coming from mature adults. I'm not even going into breaking down any so-called "differences" of Islam. For those who are interested in the truth, and is not with the kiddy games, pm me and we can chop it up respectfully. Much respect to those on here who are seeking knowledge and are interested in the the upliftment of our people.
D.X. I'm not just going by stuff I've heard, I talked 2 this dude just last week, who is an active, devoted member of the NOI. Me and this dude talked on the phone for 3 1/2 hours. I called him because I wanted 2 know the so called TRUTH about the Nation of Islam. I'm not going by rumors, I have carefully speculated this area of interest 4 myself. I have logged onto beliefnet.com and have read excerpts of Elijah Muhammad's book, A Message to the Black Man In America(I think this is the title ). I read the Final Call online. So I'm not like the unknowing, kid- folk, joking and playing around on this forum that u are referring 2. I do my research dog. I believe I handled this in a mature manner. I'm just expressing my views and beliefs on this topic in this particular forum.
Come on, who you think you talking to on here? Now since you "spoke to someone" for 31/2 hours and went online, break down what you learned and then not just break it down, dicredit with actual truth that what you think you learned is wrong! And you said "belief net" LOL... who is in charge of that site? Come on now, I've seen your type on the regular. And if it's not a problem pm me and tell me the mosque #(not the phone #, the person should no what I'm talking about) of the the person "you spoke with".

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » April 13th, 2005, 8:55 pm

D.X.,
If I sit here and explain what i refute and oppose about the NOI, man I would take up all of Alonso's bandwidth. The dude I conversed with elaborated in great detail some of the stuff the NOI believe in.
I'll start by saying I do not espouse the belief that W.D.Fard(u may call him Master Fard, Fard Muhammad, Allah, etc..)was Allah in the Flesh. For 1 I don't believe in Allah. He's a lie just like the word sounds when it's pronounced. 2 me, Allah, Elijah Muhammad,(the so called Elijah from the Bible lol lol)Islam, and the NOI as a whole is an entertaining myth or legend. If I was at a campsite adjacent 2 a campfire, I would love 2 hear the good works of these folk and factions from a devout such as yourself. It would be the perfect story with the perfect amusement.
Secondly, he explained the NOI do believe in and read the Bible. The NOI believes the Bible was immaculate until people tampered with it. He went on 2 say when the Bible was tampered with, alot of knowledge and information was tarnished. My problem with this is since y'all denounce Christianity why use the Bible as a reference tool? I have never and don't plan on seeking the Koran 4 guidance. Y'all pick out the scriptures in which y'all see truth in or espouse 2 some degree, and flip and bounce it so it can mean something 2 y'all(the NOI)understanding or what y'all or wish the verse would've said. If something is poisoned in which Fard said the Bible was, I'm going 2 refrain and restrain myself from it 2 the best of my ability.If u are going 2 accept some of what the Bible teaches u have 2 accept all of it. Let me tell u something dog , there is no symbolism or references 2 Allah or Islam in the Bible whatsoever. Allah is the fictious god that man created. The Bible tells us that false prophets and false teachers will dwell amongst us and try 2 deceive people into believeing the teachings they present. Guess what D.X.? U are 1 of the many who have been deceived my brother LOL.
Finally, the person in whom I conversed with said their(the NOI group in which he has ties to)numbers aren't adequate enough 2 establish a mosque or Muhammmad Mosque as some Muslims may call it. He said he belongs 2 a study group. He did say that they have their own building.
Last edited by TarHeelRED on April 16th, 2005, 6:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
purplecityhello
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1851
Joined: October 7th, 2004, 10:51 am
Location: Harlem World aka Purple City
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by purplecityhello » April 14th, 2005, 8:32 am

TarHeelRED wrote:D.X.,
If I sit here and explain what i refute and oppose about the NOI, man I would take up all of Alonso's bandwidth. The dude I conversed with elaborated in great detail some of the stuff the NOI believe in.
I'll start by saying I do not espouse the belief that W.D.Fard(u may call him Master Fard, Fard Muhammad, Allah, etc..)was Allah in the Flesh. For 1 I don't believe in Allah. He's a lie just like the word sounds when it's pronounced. 2 me, Allah, Elijah Muhammad,(the so called Elijah from the Bible lol lol)Islam, and the NOI as a whole is an entertaining myth or legend. If I was at a campsite adjacent 2 a campfire, I would love 2 hear the good works of these folk and factions from a devout such as yourself. It would be the perfect story with the perfect amusement.
Secondly, he explained the NOI do believe in and read the Bible. The NOI believes the Bible was immaculate until people tampered with it. He went on 2 say when the Bible was tampered with, alot of knowledge and information was tarnished. My problem with this is since y'all denounce Christianity why use the Bible as a reference tool? I have never and don't plan on seeking the Koran 4 guidance. Y'all pick out the scriptures in which y'all see truth in or espouse 2 some degree, and flip and bounce it so it can mean something 2 y'all(the NOI)understanding or what y'all or wish the verse would've said. If something is poisoned in which Fard said the Bible was, I'm going 2 refrain and restrain myself from it 2 the best of my ability.If u are going 2 accept some of what the Bible teaches u have 2 accept all of it. Let me tell u something dog , there is no symbolism or references 2 Allah or Islam in the Bible whatsoever. Allah is the fictious god that man created. The Bible tells us that false prophets and false teachers will dwell amongst us and try 2 deceive people into believeing the teachings they present. Guess what D.X.? U are 1 of the many who have been deceived my brother LOL.
Finally, the person in whom I conversed with said their(the NOI group in which he has ties to)numbers aren't adequate enough 2 establish a mosque or Muhammmad Temple as some Muslims may call it. He said he belongs 2 a study group. He did say that they have their own building.


the NOI as a whole is an entertaining myth? seriously i hope you never come to Harlem and meet someone from the FOI - seriously they wont find you

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » April 14th, 2005, 6:44 pm

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I WILL FEAR NO EVIL: For thou art with me; thy rod and staff they comfort me. Psalms 23:4

I ain't scared of the FOI. I got something 100 billion times stronger than the forces of the FOI, bro. JESUS!!!! Now take that 2 the bank and cash it.

citysouljah
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 1
Joined: April 20th, 2005, 12:32 am
Location: sydney
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by citysouljah » April 20th, 2005, 11:56 pm

i just thought i would clear something up for you "tarheelRED"
in arabic Allah means God
that's why Christian arabs also say Allah when they talk about God in arabic

quote of TarHeelRED
"For 1 I don't believe in Allah."

lol

I'm not suprised you didn't know

maybe you should read the Qu'ran, I'm sure your local Mosque will give you one for free and it will most likely be translated in english for you

TarHeelRED
Middle Weight
Middle Weight
Posts: 873
Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 8:00 pm
Country: Israel
If in the United States: North Carolina
What city do you live in now?: New Jerusalem
Location: SPRING LAKE, NC
Contact:

Re: Nation of Islam vs other muslims (?!??!) explain please

Unread post by TarHeelRED » April 21st, 2005, 7:41 pm

citysouljah wrote:i just thought i would clear something up for you "tarheelRED"
in arabic Allah means God
that's why Christian arabs also say Allah when they talk about God in arabic

quote of TarHeelRED
"For 1 I don't believe in Allah."

lol

I'm not suprised you didn't know

maybe you should read the Qu'ran, I'm sure your local Mosque will give you one for free and it will most likely be translated in english for you


SORRY CitySouljah u didn't gain any brownie points 4 this post. I know that Allah is Arabic for God. I call Allah that fake, make believe god that the Muslims exalt, because I have never, not once read in the Bible where it says Gods' name is Allah. So I simply refer 2 Him as GOD.

Read the Koran........4 what? I'm not really big on fiction stories. LOL. I read Iceberg Slim when I want 2 read created, ficticious novels. Contrary 2 the NOI, all of the doctrines and decrees that I need 2 know about and follow are all in 1 book.

User avatar
Kemosave
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1171
Joined: July 1st, 2004, 10:03 am

Unread post by Kemosave » July 11th, 2005, 6:21 pm

Islam is gaining its largest percentage of converts from the African-American community. One of the dominate sects within Black Islam is called The Nation of Islam, whose current leader is Louis Farrakhan. A brief background of The Nation of Islam will be helpful in understanding its beliefs. It should be noted up front, however, that this group is not considered to be a form of genuine Islam by orthodox Muslims since The Nation of Islam affirms the existence of a prophet after Muhammad.

Furthermore, as the following discussion will indicate, they deviate from
orthodox Islam in a number of other ways, including their view of God.

LOUIS FARRAKHAN
When Muhammad died in 1975, his son, Wallace Deen, who sought unification between the Black Muslims and orthodox Islam, succeeded him. Although he initially supported Deeds leadership of the group, this proposed trend was unacceptable to Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan was the leader of the Harlem Mosque at the time and was essentially second in command in the Nation at that time. Farrakhan preferred the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, and in 1977 broke from the Black Muslims, returning to his mentor's teaching. He started the faction that bears the name "Nation of Islam" (a name also used by Elijah Muhammad).

Consequently, the Black Muslims of Wallace Deen joined orthodox Islam and are now known as the American Muslim Mission (or American Muslim
Society), where they have laid aside much of the racial hatred perpetrated
by Elijah Muhammad, allowing whites to join the group as well.

An example in microcosm of current Nation of Islam rhetoric is well summarized by Sidney Ahlstrom in A Religious History of the American People:

[Their] eschatology teaches that God has come; there is no life after this life; heaven and hell are only two contrasting earthly conditions; the hereafter (which will begin to appear about A.D. 2000) is but the end of the present "spook civilization of the Caucasian usurpers, including the Christian religion. It will be followed by the redemption of the Black Nation and their glorious rule over all the earth (1972, p. 1068).

Ostensibly, the message of the Nation of Islam (as presented by Farrakhan at the Million-Man March) is one of social atonement and reconciliation; it is a call for the black community to strive for moral and ethical superiority. Farrakhan called the audience to give up drugs, prostitution, and violence, and to commit to improving themselves "spiritually, morally, mentally, socially, politically, and economically" (1995). These are laudable concerns that should transcend race. If lower crime rates, higher economic productivity, and an over-all improvement in the quality of life for African-Americans result from the efforts of Farrakhan, then all people will have reason to rejoice.

In his Million-Man March speech, Farrakhan argued that the United States is rotten at its very foundation because it has been characterized from the beginning by white supremacy. For example, he said The Seal and the Constitution [of the United States-BTB] reflect the thinking of the founding fathers, that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks, and all other non-White people were to be the burden bearers for the real citizens of this nation (1995). Given this, the official beliefs of the Nation of Islam can be examined in order to more clearly see what is presently the basis of its fundamental doctrine.

WHAT BLACK MUSLIMS BELIEVE
(Taken from "The Muslim Program" section of The Final Call online
edition).
1. WE BELIEVE in the One God Whose proper Name is Allah.
2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.
3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.
4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought
to the people.
5. WE BELIEVE in the resurrection of the dead-not in physical resurrection-
but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.
6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America.
7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so called Negroes and the so-called whitehnericans. We believe the Black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names-the black people of the Earth.
8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings, We believe in equality-as a nation-of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves." We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.
9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the Black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent Black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation. If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.
10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.
11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.
12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.
13. WE BELIEVE further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no God and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

Although the wording is monotheistic, "One God," the language used to describe God and his prophets can be interpreted variously as pantheistic, dualistic, and polytheistic, and even panentheist (process theology).

Black apologists, Dr. Jerry Buckner claims: "The Nation of Islam is a polytheistic religion. Several references in their literature point to a belief in many gods, and there is a council of 23 scientists-gods who write history." One of them, Yakub, ". . . rebelled against Allah and the council,
causing havoc. He created the white race of devils to strike back at the
black race."

Louis Farrakhan speaks of God (Allah) as being self-created out of eternal darkness. He wrote: "The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us God is itself created. The Holy Qur'an says He is not begotten. If God is not begotten,
then God is the Originator of Himself. In the process of God's self creation,
He had to overcome many things." For one, "He has to overcome frustration with the pace of His own evolution, and the disappointment*
of that pace gave rise to patience.

Like human beings, God was formed out of darkness. "The darkness out of which God created Himself has no equal, except in the triple darkness of the womb of the female. God made her womb a replication of the womb out of which He came." Hence, "If light is in the essence of the cell, energy is there, intelligence is there. God formed Himself in the darkness. He had to overcome the darkness." So, "When He (God) comes into existence, He comes into existence a light of Himself, coming up out of the
darkness; this is the way we come into existence, bearing witness to His
origination." He continues, "He was a light of Himself in darkness. So
here we have a duality. His light coming up out of darkness. He was life in
the midst of death. Death, in this sense, is described as inanimate matter
having no purpose or function."

Farrakhan also speaks of human beings as having a "divine essence," a gold that needs purifying. "When we are purified, we will become the eternal transmitters of God's divine spirit and wisdom, thus making us . . . the true house of God." He falls short, however, of absolute pantheism, claiming we are an "image" of God. "When we use the term image, it means that we are like God in form, appearance and semblance. We are a counterpart, a copy, a type, an embodiment. . . . It means to mirror or reflect.

If God's self creation is taken literally, then one is left with the logical absurdity that God created himself out of nothii. Giving the benefit of the doubt that God's "self creation" is an eternal process, the best twist one can give to Farrakhan's view is a form of process theology (panentheism).

Likewise, if the "council of the gods" is taken as finite creatures of the one eternal and unbegotten God, then a semblance of monotheism may be retained. If, however, the supreme God (Allah) is just one superior God among the other finite gods, then Farrakhan's view reduces to a form of polytheism such as the Greeks had in Zeus. Lacking a systematic theology or metaphysic, Farrakhan does not provide the means to frame a coherent view of God in terms of the traditional categories.

User avatar
Kemosave
Light Heavy Weight
Light Heavy Weight
Posts: 1171
Joined: July 1st, 2004, 10:03 am

Unread post by Kemosave » July 11th, 2005, 6:21 pm

Islam is gaining its largest percentage of converts from the African-American community. One of the dominate sects within Black Islam is called The Nation of Islam, whose current leader is Louis Farrakhan. A brief background of The Nation of Islam will be helpful in understanding its beliefs. It should be noted up front, however, that this group is not considered to be a form of genuine Islam by orthodox Muslims since The Nation of Islam affirms the existence of a prophet after Muhammad.

Furthermore, as the following discussion will indicate, they deviate from
orthodox Islam in a number of other ways, including their view of God.

LOUIS FARRAKHAN
When Muhammad died in 1975, his son, Wallace Deen, who sought unification between the Black Muslims and orthodox Islam, succeeded him. Although he initially supported Deeds leadership of the group, this proposed trend was unacceptable to Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan was the leader of the Harlem Mosque at the time and was essentially second in command in the Nation at that time. Farrakhan preferred the teachings of Elijah Muhammad, and in 1977 broke from the Black Muslims, returning to his mentor's teaching. He started the faction that bears the name "Nation of Islam" (a name also used by Elijah Muhammad).

Consequently, the Black Muslims of Wallace Deen joined orthodox Islam and are now known as the American Muslim Mission (or American Muslim
Society), where they have laid aside much of the racial hatred perpetrated
by Elijah Muhammad, allowing whites to join the group as well.

An example in microcosm of current Nation of Islam rhetoric is well summarized by Sidney Ahlstrom in A Religious History of the American People:

[Their] eschatology teaches that God has come; there is no life after this life; heaven and hell are only two contrasting earthly conditions; the hereafter (which will begin to appear about A.D. 2000) is but the end of the present "spook civilization of the Caucasian usurpers, including the Christian religion. It will be followed by the redemption of the Black Nation and their glorious rule over all the earth (1972, p. 1068).

Ostensibly, the message of the Nation of Islam (as presented by Farrakhan at the Million-Man March) is one of social atonement and reconciliation; it is a call for the black community to strive for moral and ethical superiority. Farrakhan called the audience to give up drugs, prostitution, and violence, and to commit to improving themselves "spiritually, morally, mentally, socially, politically, and economically" (1995). These are laudable concerns that should transcend race. If lower crime rates, higher economic productivity, and an over-all improvement in the quality of life for African-Americans result from the efforts of Farrakhan, then all people will have reason to rejoice.

In his Million-Man March speech, Farrakhan argued that the United States is rotten at its very foundation because it has been characterized from the beginning by white supremacy. For example, he said The Seal and the Constitution [of the United States-BTB] reflect the thinking of the founding fathers, that this was to be a nation by White people and for White people. Native Americans, Blacks, and all other non-White people were to be the burden bearers for the real citizens of this nation (1995). Given this, the official beliefs of the Nation of Islam can be examined in order to more clearly see what is presently the basis of its fundamental doctrine.

WHAT BLACK MUSLIMS BELIEVE
(Taken from "The Muslim Program" section of The Final Call online
edition).
1. WE BELIEVE in the One God Whose proper Name is Allah.
2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.
3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.
4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought
to the people.
5. WE BELIEVE in the resurrection of the dead-not in physical resurrection-
but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.
6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America.
7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so called Negroes and the so-called whitehnericans. We believe the Black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names-the black people of the Earth.
8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings, We believe in equality-as a nation-of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves." We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.
9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the Black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent Black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation. If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.
10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.
11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.
12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.
13. WE BELIEVE further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no God and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

Although the wording is monotheistic, "One God," the language used to describe God and his prophets can be interpreted variously as pantheistic, dualistic, and polytheistic, and even panentheist (process theology).

Black apologists, Dr. Jerry Buckner claims: "The Nation of Islam is a polytheistic religion. Several references in their literature point to a belief in many gods, and there is a council of 23 scientists-gods who write history." One of them, Yakub, ". . . rebelled against Allah and the council,
causing havoc. He created the white race of devils to strike back at the
black race."

Louis Farrakhan speaks of God (Allah) as being self-created out of eternal darkness. He wrote: "The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us God is itself created. The Holy Qur'an says He is not begotten. If God is not begotten,
then God is the Originator of Himself. In the process of God's self creation,
He had to overcome many things." For one, "He has to overcome frustration with the pace of His own evolution, and the disappointment*
of that pace gave rise to patience.

Like human beings, God was formed out of darkness. "The darkness out of which God created Himself has no equal, except in the triple darkness of the womb of the female. God made her womb a replication of the womb out of which He came." Hence, "If light is in the essence of the cell, energy is there, intelligence is there. God formed Himself in the darkness. He had to overcome the darkness." So, "When He (God) comes into existence, He comes into existence a light of Himself, coming up out of the
darkness; this is the way we come into existence, bearing witness to His
origination." He continues, "He was a light of Himself in darkness. So
here we have a duality. His light coming up out of darkness. He was life in
the midst of death. Death, in this sense, is described as inanimate matter
having no purpose or function."

Farrakhan also speaks of human beings as having a "divine essence," a gold that needs purifying. "When we are purified, we will become the eternal transmitters of God's divine spirit and wisdom, thus making us . . . the true house of God." He falls short, however, of absolute pantheism, claiming we are an "image" of God. "When we use the term image, it means that we are like God in form, appearance and semblance. We are a counterpart, a copy, a type, an embodiment. . . . It means to mirror or reflect.

If God's self creation is taken literally, then one is left with the logical absurdity that God created himself out of nothing. Giving the benefit of the doubt that God's "self creation" is an eternal process, the best twist one can give to Farrakhan's view is a form of process theology (panentheism).

Likewise, if the "council of the gods" is taken as finite creatures of the one eternal and unbegotten God, then a semblance of monotheism may be retained. If, however, the supreme God (Allah) is just one superior God among the other finite gods, then Farrakhan's view reduces to a form of polytheism such as the Greeks had in Zeus. Lacking a systematic theology or metaphysic, Farrakhan does not provide the means to frame a coherent view of God in terms of the traditional categories.

Post Reply

Return to “Religious Thought”