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Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by Impala » January 30th, 2004, 11:26 pm

How come from like about 82, 83 or so; and going back to 70's, 60's and further back; guns were hard to come by in the streets unless you knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody. And when you finally got your weapon connection, you see how damm expensive the price is. Then early 80's to now, I can go get something tonite and it aint cheap but it's do-able.
I say the govt. and the police have made the weapons available to the varrios/ghettos throughout the U.S. so we can do them a favor and kill ourselves.
Same with drugs. Flood the inner cities with drugs so again we kill ourselves and each other.
They also started the blue red buulsh__t, again to kill ourselves.
It's so f-n obvious. That's what I believe.
Keep the brown and black man down because they fear us and we are NOT a minority but a majority; and if we unite, we have power; keep us divided and the white man will always stay on top.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by Blues » February 2nd, 2004, 1:18 am

*agrees shaking head up and down slowly*

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Unread post by stateraised2000 » February 2nd, 2004, 1:56 am

yeah impala i agree with you 100%, too bad alot of people aint see'ing that homie...

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by wcrockets » February 2nd, 2004, 10:46 am

I disagree.

Studies suggest that a very small number of distributors and dealers are responsible for the majority of handguns used in crime. In 2000, ATF released a comprehensive report showing that nationally, about 1 percent of the dealers who sell to the public are responsible for 57 percent of the handguns traced to crimes. ATF traces 200,000 guns used in crimes each year. For each trace, the agency contacts the gun's manufacturer with the model and serial number and requests the identity of the distributor to whom the manufacturer sold the weapon. Over time, these trace requests give the manufacturers a clear picture of which distributors are putting guns into the hands of criminals. They are the cheap gun manufacturers.

Every ten seconds a gun is made in America; every nine seconds one is imported, adding over 6m guns annually to the estimated 212m already in private circulation, nearly one per citizen. The country's 1,200 gun makers, most of them tiny firms, pay $150 for their three-yearly federal permits and are subject to a single initial inspection by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). Unless the guns they make are fully automatic (in other words, machine-guns), they are subject to virtually no federal restrictions. Manufacturers of ammunition, even of hollow-point rounds, banned under the Geneva Convention for use in warfare, are also virtually unregulated: they pay $10 a year for a manufacturing licence plus 10% federal excise tax.

From the manufacturers, guns are shipped to the wholesalers. Anyone who is not a convicted felon may obtain for the sum of $66 a year (the fee went up from $10 only this month) a licence to buy guns wholesale across state lines. About 90% of applicants are accepted. There were, at the last count, 284,000 licensed gun dealers in America, up from fewer than 150,000 in 1975. Some were giant retailers: Kmart (the biggest gun-licence holder) and Wal-Mart both sell guns, although Wal-Mart has, as of February, stopped selling handguns (pistols and revolvers) in the 700 stores that used to stock them. No federal licence or record-keeping is required to sell ammunition.

Of the 284,000 gun dealers, about 20,000 have proper stores; just over half of these are pawnbrokers. The rest sell guns out of car boots, over the kitchen table, or at gun shows and flea markets. They do not buy solely from manufacturers. Until January this year, federal law-enforcement agencies also sold off their surplus weapons - some 60,000 handguns and rifles, including the quasi-military 9mm automatic pistols so popular with young bloods.

Reputable manufacturers (such as Smith & Wesson, and Remington) deal only with the biggest and most solid dealers. The others ship their guns, no questions asked. It is not their job to inspect dealers; that falls again to the ATF, a much maligned and dispirited agency that was almost killed under Ronald Reagan, but was saved when the National Rifle Association realised that the FBI might take charge of firearms instead. Since then, the ATF has specialised in sympathetic policing. It is allowed by law to inspect dealers only once a year without a warrant, and is required to give them notice. Some visits from the agency last 30 days; because the ATF is forbidden to track gun transfers by computer (which would smack of registration, and is not allowed by law) its agents must sit down and sort through each dealer's books and all the federal firearms forms completed in the past year by his customers. This leaves a long delay between purchase and federal check.

The ATF admits that, even with once-yearly visits to dealers, it cannot possibly get round them all. For the same reason, it ignores gun shows and flea markets. In 1993, the ATF visited 400 dealers. Only 26% had storefronts; more than half maintained no stock of firearms; 34% were found in violation of firearms regulations. About 12% surrendered their licences during the inspection. Some of these dealers had had their licences withheld by their states; but under present law the ATF cannot use this as a reason to withhold a federal licence.

So basically there's almost one gun per person in the USA today. That statistic includes women and children. An easy way to get a gun to use for a crime is to simply to break into someone's home and take one(s). There's no conspiracy people. There's just a hell of a lot of guns and criminals need them for their crime. Honestly, I don't think the Federal Government wants the gangbangers armed to the teeth in general population.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by Impala » February 2nd, 2004, 2:58 pm

O.K. fine, looks like you did your homework but that still don't tell me why it was like I already said cool and calm pre-80's then boom! like overnite gun explosion. The civil war in El Salvador ended just about that same period. Could there be a connection? All of a sudden all these weapons being shipped got nowhere to go......makes you really think, besides I wouldn't put anything past this WASP Govt. Anything to keep them from sharing the pie.. AND I MEAN ANYTHING! Crumbs, guns and drugs for us.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by Panik » February 2nd, 2004, 3:12 pm

I think as for the guns, back then the average gangster didn't have a while lot of money to be spendin on guns. Most were just stolen, and you just got what you're neighbor was packin. Not a whole lot of civilians had fullies an shi-. You got pistols and shotguns. Now, it don't take much to go and get you a few hundred dollars to get somethin nice. I thihnk it was always available.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by wcrockets » February 2nd, 2004, 3:44 pm

Yeah for sure Panik. I saw a Blood today decked out driving a white Lexus.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by blkjoker » February 26th, 2004, 12:03 pm

Also there is a liquor store just about on every coner in the gettho's you dont find that around a rich neighbor hood. You know we did not bring drugs to the U.S. higher power did and gave it to the minorites. So they can sit back and watch us destroy ourselves and lock us away and throw away the key. You see how prison is, they don't do much to make us better people. Just mistreat us and put us back on the streets, madder then what we was when we went in.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by wcrockets » February 26th, 2004, 4:40 pm

That liquor store on every corner reality does no good for the community. I feel you there.

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Unread post by Noog » March 1st, 2004, 9:57 am

Good flow. I'm interested in your experience in LA. Here in London its different. I'm not sure about a conspiracy tho. The guns started to go off more and more in the last decade, following the peace deal in Northern Ireland and the end of the war in the Balkans (former Yugoslavia - Serbia, Kosovo etc). Former Serbiam paramilitaries and former Albanian fighters sold on their small arms into the underground marketplace, which found their way into the hands of crims and gangsters in Europe. Another dynamic here - there is an underground industry in re-commisioning de-commisioned firearms and turning some kinds of airguns to fire live rounds. Luckily, we dont have gun shops on the street, like is US, so guns are very underground and always illegal, unless you in a registered gun club. We got loads of 'off-licences' everywhere tho (liquer stores), thousands of crack-houses, high unemployment and high crime - sound familiar?

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » March 23rd, 2004, 12:23 am

Impala wrote:How come from like about 82, 83 or so; and going back to 70's, 60's and further back; guns were hard to come by in the streets unless you knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody. And when you finally got your weapon connection, you see how damm expensive the price is. Then early 80's to now, I can go get something tonite and it aint cheap but it's do-able.
I say the govt. and the police have made the weapons available to the varrios/ghettos throughout the U.S. so we can do them a favor and kill ourselves.
Same with drugs. Flood the inner cities with drugs so again we kill ourselves and each other.
They also started the blue red buulsh__t, again to kill ourselves.
It's so f-n obvious. That's what I believe.
Keep the brown and black man down because they fear us and we are NOT a minority but a majority; and if we unite, we have power; keep us divided and the white man will always stay on top.
Thats a very old and very common theory....one I agree with though.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by swordswinging » April 6th, 2004, 2:46 pm

Well to me, the war on drugs is a load of $h!t. Isn't there drugs even flowing around in the prison system? A Prison? Supposed to be the most secure place of all? If they can't keep drugs out of maximum security buildings, how wil they keep drugs out of the country???! Has anyone ever seen proof to where all these big drug seizures go when it's all over? Sure the feds seized 200 kilos of cocaine before it was smuggled into the country... but what the fuck happens to it after that? Are we seriously suppose to believe that drugs worth millions of dollars is just being dumped in a ditch somewhere? Well, if that's true... by the looks of the way things are in the inner cities, there's no question as to where they dump this $h!t. I don't think anybody living the city would have any problems finding drugs of all types. You name it, it's in your city, on almost every corner in some communities. Criminals must be REAL smart, or there's just a lot of motha fuckas not doing their jobs and talking a load of $h!t.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by blkjoker » April 6th, 2004, 8:40 pm

swordswinging wrote:Well to me, the war on drugs is a load of $h!t. Isn't there drugs even flowing around in the prison system? A Prison? Supposed to be the most secure place of all? If they can't keep drugs out of maximum security buildings, how wil they keep drugs out of the country???! Has anyone ever seen proof to where all these big drug seizures go when it's all over? Sure the feds seized 200 kilos of cocaine before it was smuggled into the country... but what the "i will get banned" happens to it after that? Are we seriously suppose to believe that drugs worth millions of dollars is just being dumped in a ditch somewhere? Well, if that's true... by the looks of the way things are in the inner cities, there's no question as to where they dump this $h!t. I don't think anybody living the city would have any problems finding drugs of all types. You name it, it's in your city, on almost every corner in some communities. Criminals must be REAL smart, or there's just a lot of motha fuckas not doing their jobs and talking a load of $h!t.

Yo man you are so right, its always a inside job you best believe they take the drugs they find and its right back on the street after they made money off it. Just like prison inside job as long as they can get there cut then they will do it. Money talks I dont think you will find people of higer power not making there cut on the side. When you have much power as the police, mayor, or what ever, its easy for them to make money and not be found out. So u best believe they making there money. But have any of you heard about how they burn up the old money. But we have homeless people and struggling people out here, and they just burn up the money. And they wonder why crime is so high people trying to live thats why.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by Conman » April 7th, 2004, 3:27 pm

CIA.....making deals with alleged "mid-level" drug dealers to get the so called ""Big Fish""? There was a few articles on this a few years ago (LA Times, LA Weekly???).

Like Impala wrote a few posts ^up^, since the 80's it has been easy to get damn near anything you want.

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » April 7th, 2004, 4:17 pm

[quote="swordswinging" wrote:]If they can't keep drugs out of maximum security buildings, how wil they keep drugs out of the country???![/quote]

Well........I don't think anyone is going to try an swallow or keyster a KILO into the country. ;)

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Unread post by ogcjm » April 20th, 2004, 4:35 am

Impala wrote:How come from like about 82, 83 or so; and going back to 70's, 60's and further back; guns were hard to come by in the streets unless you knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody. And when you finally got your weapon connection, you see how damm expensive the price is. Then early 80's to now, I can go get something tonite and it aint cheap but it's do-able.
I say the govt. and the police have made the weapons available to the varrios/ghettos throughout the U.S. so we can do them a favor and kill ourselves.
Same with drugs. Flood the inner cities with drugs so again we kill ourselves and each other.
They also started the blue red buulsh__t, again to kill ourselves.
It's so f-n obvious. That's what I believe.
Keep the brown and black man down because they fear us and we are NOT a minority but a majority; and if we unite, we have power; keep us divided and the white man will always stay on top.
i agree with what ur saying

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Unread post by TAADOW » May 5th, 2004, 6:55 pm

where im from we have a liquor store now on every fucken street!
since the influx of methamphetamines the whole scenario of the hood is turning into violence and robberies..
We just sitting back waiting for the Gun stores now,so them punks at the top can watch us kill ourselves..

Its not like we dont want jobs and all,its just they dont either trust us or want to employ us..
But im taking each day as it goes...
Cuhz daym jail aint no solution,im sik of watching my brothers and sisters in jail..
the day will come when we to will fulfil our dream that martin luther king had..

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Unread post by SouLja4LyFe » May 31st, 2004, 10:03 am

Impala wrote:How come from like about 82, 83 or so; and going back to 70's, 60's and further back; guns were hard to come by in the streets unless you knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody. And when you finally got your weapon connection, you see how damm expensive the price is. Then early 80's to now, I can go get something tonite and it aint cheap but it's do-able.
I say the govt. and the police have made the weapons available to the varrios/ghettos throughout the U.S. so we can do them a favor and kill ourselves.
Same with drugs. Flood the inner cities with drugs so again we kill ourselves and each other.
They also started the blue red buulsh__t, again to kill ourselves.
It's so f-n obvious. That's what I believe.
Keep the brown and black man down because they fear us and we are NOT a minority but a majority; and if we unite, we have power; keep us divided and the white man will always stay on top.
I feel u 100% on that issue impala. Very nice Topic and replies too.

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Unread post by Noog » June 3rd, 2004, 9:55 am

You know what - I am sympathetic to the threads here, but I got a slightley different view.

The US government, were of course aware that drugs and guns were flooding into US cities, aware of the devastation, aware of the suffering. But I dod not believe that there was a conspiracy to flood the poor areas wid those things, like on purpose. No, the truth is much more banal than that.

The Us government just didnt give a flying f... 'bout the ghettos. And yes, the governmet would be happy to let people in the ghetto just slaughter each other, precisely because they just dont care at all.

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Unread post by NYorker » June 28th, 2004, 8:06 pm

You guys made some good points...I can maybe see the "drug" thing.....but would you want your enemies to be armed to the teeth...even if they are killing themselves now? What happens when they wake up and come after you. That's why I don't believe the "gun conspiracy theory"....but hey...you never know.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » July 11th, 2004, 11:37 am

Pathetic !
Yes then " Man " planted a chip inside you that made you sepnd that 500 dollars on a pistol rather than food, rent and personal hygene. Then " The Man " told you that if a man wears a certain color he must be killed. Then
" The Man " manipulated you into selling drugs rather than getting a little low key job and starting off in junior collage. Its all clear now, none of this is anyones fault but " The Man ". There that makes it easy, now I dont have to change cause its your fault. I can just sit back, b!tch and complain and point my finger at " The Man ". What imaginations you all have. I wonder how Mr. Alonso escaped " The Man " . Maybe cause he was a blood? Maybe " The Man " doesnt mess with bloods? The 80's weree GREAT FOR GUNS!! HELL YA! I lived in AcmeWhite Bread Land and we had plenty of gun stores and liquor stores too. We used to buy baby uzi's for $300.00! Man it was the time to stock up! HK91's, FN/FAL's , AR-15's, AK's were considered junk but a good buy at $150.00 We spent every last dollar we WORKED FOR on them. Get some clips and ammo go shooting out in the country. The though never crossed my mind to shoot someone cause he wore the wrong color. But thats because " The Man " is white and loves me, and hates you and forces you to do things you have no control over. Im sorry that " The Man " has implanted a chip in you and has a big old remote control and makes you live like filthy dogs who kill for no reason. Its just terrible...........when will you ever be accountable???? When???????????????????????/

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 11th, 2004, 1:31 pm

I strongly believe in the flooding the streets with drugs conspiracy. In case you haven't yet seen it, I posted up a vid/interviews report on that in another thread. Here it is again for all to see:

http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/ctc_bb.asx
http://http.dvlabs.com/gnn/asx/gnn/ctc_56.asx

As for the guns coming on the streets just to worsen up things more with the drugs I believe in that too. Just check this other report out I just found quickly by doing a search:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/amnestynow/global_gun.html

The G-8—which includes the world’s leading arms makers and buyers—did not embrace Lula’s proposal. And the United States—the LARGEST gun manufacturing, gun importing, and gun exporting nation—has rejected tightening international regulations: “We do not support measures that would constrain legal trade and legal manufacturing of small arms and light weapons,” John Bolton, the under secretary of state for Arms Control and International Security, said in a speech to the opening session of a July 2001 U.N. conference on gun-running.

Do you really think it would be so hard and so out of line to get guns in the streets when America is the biggest manufacturer of guns in the world (when they can just making more money off of it) and obviously puts drugs on purpose in the streets of inner cities as shown and PROVEN in the other report above? I don't see anything that's far-fetched in here.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » July 11th, 2004, 10:12 pm

The United States has more of everything. We have more food that everyone else in the world to. I wonder if the man has conspired to make black children fat. Oh thats right he did, it was Ray Krok of McDonalds. Firearms are allowed in this country because we are expected from time to time to expell the criminals in washington dc. The 2nd amendment is as clear as 1 2 3 . We have the right to keep AND bear arms. There is no other way to spin it. As for drugs, hey I will concede at least this, if they wanted it stopped it would be stopped. But again, they lead the horse to water, then you drink it and blame them. This attitude has continued to set urban minorities more and more every time they point the finger.
Sorry folks, but its a tired a$$ story and discredits FULLY those who pull it out.

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Unread post by never die inside » July 11th, 2004, 10:14 pm

capo. good shit bro with those links. thats real knowledge.

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Unread post by Kemosave » July 12th, 2004, 8:02 am

I don't at all see why the government would make their job a lot harder than it already is by "flooding" society with hard drugs and guns. Can anyone please explain that emperically?

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 12th, 2004, 2:19 pm

do you REALLY think the present government is there to STICK to their job for the global good? hahaha

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Unread post by jimmy_tee » July 13th, 2004, 2:02 am

I"ve heard the Vietnam War was used to get soldiers hooked on cheap Heroin they bought over there and when they came back, it was ready and waiting for them on the street. Thats why they drafted poor impressionable youth into the war.........
anyone else no much about this???

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Unread post by el tio » July 13th, 2004, 4:57 pm

Impala wrote:...I say the govt. and the police have made the weapons available to the varrios/ghettos throughout the U.S. so we can do them a favor and kill ourselves...
It's sad that we blame our shortcomings on other people. I don't think that guns were made available to us so we can kill ourselves. However, it is sad that we have. Nobody forces anyobdy to pull a trigger. We're killing each other because basically, we're a bunch of effin' idiots.
Same with drugs. Flood the inner cities with drugs so again we kill ourselves and each other.
Nobody forces Drugs into your system. I grew up in Athens and I never took drugs. (and I've only smoke liked 3 joints my whole life). However, drugs are more dangerous because they are addicting. But the government doesn't introduce them.....GREEDY PUSHERS DO. Pusher's that have the same skin color that you do! They just wanna get people hooked so they can get paid. Then this same pusher blames the Gov.t and you believe him.
They also started the blue red buulsh__t, again to kill ourselves.
It's so f-n obvious. That's what I believe.
That's fricken laughable and sad at the same time. What are we animals? We can't be smart enough to realize that killing and fighting over colors is the most stupidest focken thing?!? If that absurd comment were true it would speak volumes about our stupidity.

Keep the brown and black man down because they fear us and we are NOT a minority but a majority; and if we unite, we have power; keep us divided and the white man will always stay on top.
It's that kind of talk that will keep us down......and thas sum real spit I just laid down for y'all.

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Re: Guns and drugs in the streets

Unread post by never die inside » July 13th, 2004, 5:12 pm

el tio is a white boy. what do u guys expect him to say? Or he's one of those light skinned mexicans that think they white... and not mexican.

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 13th, 2004, 5:15 pm

Yeah and he still hasn't replied about that video posted up showing how the government floods the streets with drugs. All he does is try to turn attention by saying anything else and claiming it's real spit :roll: . comon now

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Unread post by el tio » July 13th, 2004, 5:22 pm

Capo wrote:Yeah and he still hasn't replied about that video posted up showing how the government floods the streets with drugs. All he does is try to turn attention by saying anything else and claiming it's real spit :roll: . comon now
I told you I don't click on video feeds. Anyways, I've answered up above what I feel about that in this thread.

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