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IRAQ vs VIETNAM

Unread post by Lonewolf » December 14th, 2004, 1:22 pm

~x THE VIETNAM FACTOR x~

The scale is different, but the sense of losing control, and losing lives in a faraway place is eerily familiar.

How is Iraq like Vietnam?

How is it different?

The President has stated numerous times;
'We've got to stay the course and we will stay the course'

And the overall feeling in the Military and Americans minds arguably is that 'we can not leave this place (Iraq), like we evacuated out of Vietnam'.

Have we gotten ourselves in another 'clash of civilizations?'

Has Iraq developed into a quagmire like Vietnam did?

Have we plunged our forces into a power vacuum of inumerable feuding religious, racial and political factions?

Are we finding out that the concrete and brick desert is just as deadly as the jungles of Vietnam?

Do American Leaders & Military Generals understand the enemy?

Because as Vietnam taught us that the viet Cong may be Communists, 'but they were Nationalist first.'

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Unread post by LcBwC » December 16th, 2004, 8:26 am

the sad thing is Vietnam was a declared war where as Iraq is an operation...look at all the deaths, and the money being spent on this ish. Desert Storm was an operation and ish didnt happen like this. I dont understand what is going on...why is it that an operation is having the same affects as a war but not much is being done about it. The soldiers are coming home mentally messed up...seeing ish that shouldnt be going down in an operation...but we still have a President who wont step up....

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Unread post by BlaKK » December 16th, 2004, 10:44 am

A president wh wont Step up, NAh, U got it twisted, its terroists who wont back down.

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Unread post by hitonme » December 17th, 2004, 2:11 pm

Hell no. Bush and the terrorists got the same thing going on. They're both stubborn and they won't back down.

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Unread post by L Grindin » December 21st, 2004, 5:22 pm

I think Iraq is definitely becoming like Vietnam. Vietnam started with a few hundred "military advisors" who were sent to help the South Vietnamese. Then, when North Vietnam kept fighting, Kennedy, then Johnson, then Nixon kept sending troops while hiding the facts surrounding the "conflict," such as the number of deaths.

Bush thought Iraq would be a cakewalk, where we'd easily topple Saddam's government, and have Iraqi's throwing flowers at us in gratitude. General Shinseki was fired for saying that we needed more troops than Rumsfeld wanted to send, and Bush refuses to admit that we need more troops, even as Americans keep dying, and the Iraqi resistance keeps fighting. This is very similar to how Vietnam started, and will only get worse as Bush refuses to admit that he was wrong, and insists on creating his own BS government of Iraqi exiles to govern Iraq.

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Unread post by Mraka » December 31st, 2004, 12:58 pm

they could have been better prepared for afterwar pluralism.
but in fact the terrorists are escalating everything & their hate tirade grown over decades in islamic countrys leaves them no way out.
I mean the most islamic countrys are sitting on oil but their live quality is the lowest all time.Other countrys with no oil should then be even worse,but they are not!! ???

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Unread post by myDick in your mouth » March 28th, 2005, 1:02 pm

I wouldnt exactly describe the two yet. America lost 60,000 soldiers in Vietnam. More than any other war I believe. America never actually took over Vietnam, they never had control. America has taken over Iraq. Theres a government in place and everything. Theres just opposition. Comparing the Viet Cong to the insurgents is like comparing the Crips to tagging crews. The comparisons are just stupid and I hate when ppl make them. THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE.

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Unread post by kodiak » March 28th, 2005, 3:11 pm

Iraq was a cake walk. The hard part is dealing with the radical Islam groups/militant groups.

Vietnam and Iraq are alot alike in the light that we dont know who we are fighting. The person helping you might be the person shooting you tonight.

One other thing Makaveli389, America lost more troops in WW2 in one battle then they did in the whole vietnam war. WW2 was a very bloody and long war lets all pray to whatever you beleive in that that sort of thing doesnt happen agian.

Our loses while to much even if one die are really very good compared to what we have done (taken control of a country). Think about it realisticatlly.

As i have said in many posts we dont have to believe in the war but lets pray for our troops safe return.

P.S. During vietnam many people would spit and curse at our soldiers that returned calling them baby killers ect. If that ever happens this time i'll knock some heads and spend most of that era in jail. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!

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Unread post by L Grindin » March 28th, 2005, 4:25 pm

makaveli389 wrote: America lost 60,000 soldiers in Vietnam. More than any other war I believe.
The most loses ever suffered by America in a war was the Civil War, which resulted in more than 500,000 Americans being killed. More Americans were also killed in both World Wars than in Vietnam, where war was never officially declared.
makaveli389 wrote: America has taken over Iraq. Theres a government in place and everything.
Have we really? There are areas throughout Iraq, including Baghdad, that are completely untouched by the American military, and where life is dangerous for all present. There is little security outside of the Green Zone, and the safety of American military personnel isn't guaranteed within the bases in which they live. And during the Vietnam conflict, a government also existed in North and South Vietnam.
makaveli389 wrote: Comparing the Viet Cong to the insurgents is like comparing the Crips to tagging crews. The comparisons are just stupid and I hate when ppl make them. THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE.
If you were from L.A. then you’d probably reconsider the comment about comparing Crips to tagging crews, because although tagging crews are usually formed by people who do graffiti, they can be just as dangerous as established gangs, especially when they’re trying to earn respect. And before you insult people for comparing the Viet Cong and the Iraqi opposition, you should imagine being an American soldier in both conflicts.

In Vietnam, soldiers spoke about not knowing whether the friendly villagers who befriended them in the day, were the same people who would plant land mines, shoot and run, disappearing into the night, while being extremely effective at inflicting deadly results, and psychologically torturing the soldiers.

In Iraq, soldiers speak about not knowing whether the friendly Iraqi’s who befriend them, are the same people who shoot bursts of gunfire at them, then retreat to hide within the civilian population. They also talk about the psychological damage that is done unto them, knowing that their life could end at any moment by someone shooting at them, or having their body ripped apart by bombs that are detonated by undetected persons, who disguised the bomb as a cart, abandoned car, or a discarded paper bag. The opposition in Iraq is no less dangerous than it was in Vietnam, and the only reason the death toll isn’t higher, is because American military personnel have improved armor and more abundant armor, whereas a platoon in Vietnam might’ve only had a few people wearing flak jackets.

The invasion of Iraq began 2 years ago; the conflict in Vietnam lasted more than a decade. Only time will tell whether Iraq will be different than Vietnam.

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Re: IRAQ vs VIETNAM

Unread post by myDick in your mouth » March 28th, 2005, 6:19 pm

Im not from LA but I have lived there. I know tagging crews can be dangerous. But are they on the scale of viciousness like street gangs like the bloods and crips? Just like the Insurgents are dangerous. But what exactlys there effectiveness? They plan roadside bombs set up ambushes strike in small groups and usually dont inflict large number of casualties to the american soldiers. The VC was spread out and hidden in jungles all throughout vietnam and fought american soldiers in large scale battles as long as hit and run operations. And the VC was only the guerilla warfare. the north vietnamese also had an actual army with tanks and real trained soldiers. You talkin bout phychologically torturing the soldiers???? The VC would tie up soldiers to a tree and cut out their guts leaving him there ALIVE for al the other soldiers to see. Thats only the BEGINNING of the horrific things that went on in Vietnam. Why the hell do you think American soldiers would go into villages and rape the women randomly kill innocent civilians, why do you think everyone spat on and looked down on the vietnam war soldiers cuz sh*t was so bad over there alotta them just went crazy they didnt give a f*ck anymore so they harmed alotta innocent civilians. More soldiers returned from Vietnam with mad phychological damage than any other war. Most ppl that fought in that war dont even talk about it. Its bad in Iraq right now yea but Im just trying to make a point it aint NOTHING like vietnam was

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Unread post by L Grindin » March 28th, 2005, 7:04 pm

American involvement in Vietnam started slowly. Most of the stuff you talked about didn't happen within the first 2 years, and only occurred after America's prolonged involvement in Vietnam. As I said earlier, only time will tell whether Iraq is any different from Vietnam. It's too early to make any judgements.

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Unread post by Oaktown » March 29th, 2005, 6:23 am

L Grindin wrote:American involvement in Vietnam started slowly. Most of the stuff you talked about didn't happen within the first 2 years, and only occurred after America's prolonged involvement in Vietnam. As I said earlier, only time will tell whether Iraq is any different from Vietnam. It's too early to make any judgements.
I have to agree with this. It took a long time for the America/Vietnam situation to escalate and then be solved, thousands died over the course of the war and it changed the entire country of Vietnam.

It took over a decade for it all to cease but it was an entirely different situation.

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Unread post by Jedburgh » June 24th, 2005, 2:35 pm

This subject was looked at in-depth by a couple of professors at the U.S. Army War College over a year ago: Iraq and Vietnam: Differences, Similarities, and Insights

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 24th, 2005, 5:40 pm

there are only 2 similarities between vietnam and iraq.

1. the usa invaded both of them unjustified
2. they may loose iraq aswell

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