Dark Alliance by Gary Webb & the CIA Rock Cocaine conspi

[Anonymous20]

Since its creation in 1947 under President Harry Truman, the CIA has been credited with a number of far-fetched operations. While some were proven - the infamous LSD mind-control experiments of the 1950s - others, like the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the crash of the Savings and Loans industry, have little or no merit.

In 1996 the agency was accused of being a crack dealer.

A series of expose articles in the San Jose Mercury-News by reporter Gary Webb told tales of a drug triangle during the 1980s that linked CIA officials in Central America, a San Francisco drug ring and a Los Angeles drug dealer. According to the stories, the CIA and its operatives used crack cocaine--sold via the Los Angeles African-American community--to raise millions to support the agency's clandestine operations in Central America.

The CIA's suspect past made the sensational articles an easy sell. Talk radio switchboards lit up, as did African-American leaders like U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, who pointed to Webb's articles as proof of a mastermind plot to destroy inner-city black America.

One of the people who was accused in the San Jose Mercury-News of being in the midst of the CIA cocaine conspiracy is one of the most respected, now retired, veteran D.E.A. agents, Robert "Bobby" Nieves.

"You have to understand Central America at that time was a haven for the conspiracy theorists. Christic Institute, people like Gary Webb, others down there, looking to dig up some story for political advantage," Nieves said. "No sexier story than to create the notion in people's minds that these people are drug traffickers."

But in the weeks following publication, Webb's peers doubted the merit of the articles. Fellow journalists at the Washington Post, New York Times and Webb's own editor accused him of blowing a few truths up into a massive conspiracy.

Amongst Webb's fundamental problems was his implication that the CIA lit the crack cocaine fuse. It was conspiracy theory: a neat presentation of reality that simply didn't jibe with real life. Webb later agreed in an interview that there is no hard evidence that the CIA as an institution or any of its agent-employees carried out or profited from drug trafficking.

Still, the fantastic story of the CIA injecting crack into ghettos had taken hold. In response to the public outcry following Webb's allegations--which were ultimately published in book form under the title Dark Alliance--the CIA conducted an internal investigation of its role in Central America related to the drug trade. Frederick Hitz, as the CIA Inspector General-- an independent watchdog approved by Congress--conducted the investigation. In October 1998, the CIA released a declassified version of Hitz's two-volume report.

The IG's report cleared the CIA of complicity with the inner-city crack cocaine trade. It refuted charges that CIA officials knew that their Nicaraguan allies were dealing drugs. But, the report said that the CIA, in a number of cases, didn't bother to look into allegations about narcotics And the Hitz report describes how there was little or no direction for CIA operatives when confronted by the rampant traffic in drugs in Central American during the 1980s.

What follows is a closer look at the Hitz report, drawing on interviews with Frederick Hitz and others interviewed for FRONTLINE's "Drug Wars" series.

The War on Communism

When the Marxist Sandinistas overthrew the government of longtime dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979, U.S. approval soured when it became clear that the new regime saw itself as a satellite of Cuba, if not the Soviet Union. When Ronald Reagan became president soon after, he quietly began sending aid to those fighting the Marxist government. They were known as the Nicaraguan Resistance, or more simply, the Contras.

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Contra soldiers

As with Burma, Laos and Afghanistan before it -- where the U.S. had helped fight wars -- Nicaragua had a narcotics trade--a fact which was brought to the CIA's attention while the Contra effort was barely off the ground. In 1981 members of the Nicaraguan Revolutionary Democratic Alliance (ADREN) were working alongside CIA officers to overthrow the new Sandinista government.. As noted in the Hitz report, a cable to CIA headquarters stated that ADREN leadership had decided to "engage in drug smuggling to the United States in order to finance its anti-Sandinista operations." The cable stated that an "initial trial run" had taken place in July 1981, when drugs were transported via plane to Miami.

In what would prove common during the Contra war, the CIA never followed up on the allegations, or bothered to verify whether the "initial run" had taken place, according to the Hitz report. ADREN disbanded in 1982. But some members joined the Nicaraguan Democratic Force (FDN), which worked with the CIA.

In another instance, the CIA received allegations that five members of the Democratic Revolutionary Alliance (ADREN) -- those fighting along the border of Nicaragua and Costa Rica - were involved in drug trafficking. The five were allegedly working with known drug trafficker Jorge Morales.

Although the CIA broke off contact with the ARDE in 1984, it continued to have contact with four of the five members who associated with Sr. Morales until 1987.

"In the context of this struggle between the Contras and the Sandinistas, there were accusations flying left and right, some of which were probably meritorious, and a good many of which were part of the battle they were involved in," Hitz said. The question for the CIA officer in the field was, how do you deal with those accusations?

"And what they did was, for the most part, attempt to track them down," Hitz said. "But on several cases, no action appears to have been taken. And that's the part that we find in our report."

Around the same time--the early 1980s--a letter between Attorney General Smith and CIA Director Casey was made official, creating what some considered a convenient loophole for the CIA

The Letter

In the winter of 1982, as the United States was plotting how to overthrow the Sandinista government that came to power in Nicaragua, a letter - a "Memorandum of Understanding" [MOU] was being drafted in Washington, D.C. The presumptive author was the U.S. Attorney General, the late William French Smith. The recipient was the Central Intelligence Agency Director William Casey.

The subject was a list of offenses that CIA field officers in the field were required to report if they witnessed or became aware of a crime -- particularly if it involved an informant or someone the CIA officer wanted to recruit as an "agent". The letter of understanding listed all kinds of crimes from murder to passport fraud. But it omitted narcotics violations.

The oversight was too glaring, apparently, to leave without comment. Weeks later a follow up letter based on some internal discussion in the Justice Department was sent to the CIA

"I have been advised that a question arose regarding the need to add all narcotics violations to the list of "non-employee" crimes," Smith wrote to Casey in his February 11, 1982 letter. But instead of adding drugs to the list, Smith cited existing federal policy on narcotics enforcement, and wrote:

"In light of these provisions and in view of the fine cooperation the Drug Enforcement Administration has received from CIA, no formal requirement regarding the reporting of narcotics violations has been included in these procedures." In effect, the agreement meant that CIA officers were not required to report narcotics violations back to headquarters. As the CIA's Inspector General Fred Hitz told us, it was at best a "mixed message."

Was the omission of a requirement to report narcotics violations a conscious decision designed to provide cover for CIA agents caught in the midst of the thriving drug business in Central America? Fred Hitz refuses to speculate. Hitz insists he finds it hard to believe that any CIA agent in the field would be involved, especially since " it was well known during this period that if the CIA was linked to any drug shipment, the political damage [to the Contra cause] would be irreparable."

"It was fairly clear, and all of the officers whom we questioned on it, and some whom we didn't but whom the House questioned, realized that if drugs were intermixed with this program, it would fail, it would kill it," Hitz said. "They knew perfectly well because of past accusations in previous theaters that that would be the kiss of death."

Yet there was a lack of narcotics-related direction from CIA headquarters during the Contra war, as indicated when the issue of reporting suspected narcotics violations arose again in 1987. Acting CIA director Robert Gates sent a 1987 memorandum to CIA Deputy Director for Operations Clair George stating that it was imperative that CIA officers cease relations with Contras who were "even suspected of involvement in narcotics trafficking," according to the Hitz report.

Gates' memorandum instructed George to vet names of air crews, air services companies and subcontractors with the DEA, U.S. Customs and the FBI to ensure that none of the contractors used by the CIA were involved in narcotics. For some reason, this memorandum "was not issued in any form that would advise Agency employees generally of this policy," Hitz stated in his report. It never got to the field agents who were supposed to use it as a guide.

Hitz interprets both the omission of narcotics from the MOU and the fact that Gates' memo did not ever make it to the agents who needed it as the failings of a vast bureaucracy. These events, however, as well as others documented in the report, have provided fodder to those interpreting the agency's behavior less sympathetically.

Jonathan Winer was a staffer on a Senate Committee Investigation led by Senator Kerry of Massachusetts, and is a former deputy assistant Secretary of State for International Narcotics Matters. "If you're focused on winning an ideological war, you're probably not focused at the same time on the law enforcement consequences of what you're doing," Winer said. "And certainly, our government in the 1980s was not focused on that problem. It actively resisted being focused on that problem."

Others believe that the U.S. espionage agency was simply covering its tracks.

The Ilopango Air Base

The story of Ilopango air base in San Salvador has become a favorite anecdote among those backing the claim that the CIA protected Contras neck-deep in the drug trade. The Hitz report states that by 1985, the DEA was watching Carlos Albert Amador. He was a former pilot for the Southern Front Contras, a group that operated along the northern border of Costa Rica and in the southern regions of Nicaragua. Carlos Alberto Amador had previously flown secret Contra missions out of the airfield. But, in 1985 , he came under suspicion for transporting drugs from Costa Rica to Miami. The CIA cable noted that Amador "had access to Hanger 4 at Ilopango air base."

The cable quoted a DEA source who "stated that Amador was probably picking up cocaine in San Salvador to fly to Grand Caymen [sic] and then to south Florida," adding that the DEA was going to ask San Salvadorian police to investigate Amador and anyone associated with Hanger 4.

But Hanger 4 -- as the author of the cable would later tell CIA investigators -- was also thought to be associated with Oliver North, who was under commission from the White House to secretly carry out aid to the Contras.

When CIA headquarters responded to the cable, it told its local station that it "would appreciate Station advising DEA not to make any inquiries to anyone re Hanger [sic] no. 4 at Ilopango since only legitimate....supported operations were conducted from this facility."

Former DEA field agent Nieves denied the suggestion that CIA objectives overrode DEA drug enforcement during the Contra War.

"I was given carte blanche to do my job," Nieves said. "Never once did anybody ever say anything to me about anything I was doing that was nothing but supportive. There was no interference. There was no overriding priority, there was no competition, there was no anything except for support of the DEA's mission. And that's a fact."

But others say the CIA's loose grip on its contacts certainly didn't help the DEA's cause.

"I believe that elements working for the CIA were involved in bringing drugs into the country," said Hector Berrellez, DEA field agent.

"I know specifically that some of the CIA contract workers, meaning some of the pilots, in fact were bringing drugs into the U.S. and landing some of these drugs in government air bases. And I know so because I was told by some of these pilots that in fact they had done that."

While most D.E.A. veterans we interviewed dismiss allegations of any conscious CIA activity or involvement in drug trafficking, a number are suspicious, and a handful like Berrellez claim they had hard evidence of "CIA contract employees" being involved. With the exception of the Venezuela National Guard case we were unable to find any evidence that any CIA agent was ever considered a potential target of a grand jury investigating drug trafficking.

Drug policy: MIA

"If it's your job to check out food at the supermarket counter ... you're not worrying about the person who's supposed to be stocking the shelves. It's not your job," said Jonathan Winer, explaining the CIA's minimal attention to drug trafficking in Central America.

It is clear from interviews with former D.E.A. agents, CIA officials and former Colonel Oliver North that the CIA did not ignore narcotics in Central America. Injecting the United States into a Nicaraguan civil war was hardly an easy sell to Capitol Hill, with nightmares of Vietnam still fresh from the 1970s. Any hint of collusion with the drug trade would be like handing a loaded gun to opponents aiming to kill the effort.

But the degree to which that point was communicated to CIA agents in the field, according to the Hitz investigation, does not inspire confidence.

"There was no directorate of operations instruction about how to deal with drug allegations during the whole period of the Contra effort," Hitz said. "They were in process. They were working on some kind of guidance. But they never published it in black letter and sent it to the field." In Nicaragua, the Smith-Casey letter basically excused CIA officers from reporting drug trafficking among their contacts. Even when it became clear that narcotics could cast a pall on the effort, the CIA appeared unwilling to react.

As early as 1980, a handbook had been developed with a section instructing CIA officers how to deal with contacts suspected of trafficking drugs. But those regulations were ruled inapplicable to the Contra affair, because they were meant for CIA personnel who were specifically collecting narcotics intelligence -- not the case in Central America. Inexplicably, the handbook wasn't formally published until 15 years later.

In addition, in the mid-1980s, any effort to keep the CIA out of the world of drug trafficking was made more difficult by the decision of its boss, Director Casey, to activate what became known as the "off-the books" operation of Oliver North.

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North at Iran-Contra Hearings

Along with a leading role in the Iran/Contra scandal - in which North helped sell arms to Iran to fund the Contra War - North is also said to have employed air and sea transport companies moonlighting as drugs carriers.

When the Kerry Commission released its report in 1988, the company Frigorificos De Puntarenas was listed as receiving $261,000 in funds from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Assistance Office, an organization established in 1985 to spend $27 million in congressional humanitarian aid to the Nicaraguan resistance.

Frigorificos' owner, Luis Rodriguez, also operated Ocean Hunter/Mr. Shrimp out of Miami, Florida.

In 1986 the DEA seized 400 pounds of cocaine hidden in yucca addressed to Ocean Hunter. Rodriguez later testified that both companies were used to launder drug money between Costa Rica and Miami.

North has categorically denied that anybody in his operation was trafficking drugs. But in 1987, a co-owner of the shrimp companies pointed the finger at the National Security Council. Moises Nunez told the CIA that he had had a clandestine relationship with the National Security Council since 1985.

"If we have a foreign policy that says we're going to oppose the spread of Communism, that's not inconsistent with the (drug) policy,' North said in an interview with FRONTLINE. "We're not going to tolerate the flow of drugs into this country. Unfortunately you've got members of Congress up there who want to beat the drum and blame the problem of narcotics in America on the Nicaraguan resistance. And that's just not the case."

"He is either misinformed or lying," Winer says. "Oliver North's diaries are filled with references to drug trafficking and people associated with his enterprise drug trafficking--filled with it. Oliver North can say, 'I never hired or worked with any drug traffickers.' His organization did."

While the Kerry report listed several companies used by the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Assistance Office that had drug ties, it failed to pass definitive judgement on how much government agencies knew about those ties.

"At best, these incidents represent negligence on the part of U.S. government officials responsible for providing support to the Contras," the Hitz report stated. 'At worst, it was a matter of turning a blind eye to the activities of companies who use legitimate activities as a cover for their narcotics trafficking."

Situation Unresolved

That statement sums up the debate remaining over the CIA's involvement in the Contra War. The Hitz report gives an abundance of anecdotal evidence showing that drugs were low on the list of intelligence priorities in the Contra war. It shows that allegation after allegation were either partially investigated or not investigated at all.

To this day, Fred Hitz denies that the CIA had any intentional ties to drug trafficking. But he also admits that the Agency in many cases took a rain check on specifically addressing narcotics activity within its allies' ranks.

Some say that's expected when fighting ideological wars in countries where drugs have historically fueled not only conflict, but entire economies as well.

"You're always going to be having drug traffickers, gun runners, people who are alien smugglers ... as some of the kinds of people that you're going to be relying on to carry out a covert war," Winer observes. "And that's true of any government anywhere--whether you're talking Afghanistan, Colombia, Southeast Asia, Burma. Your operatives tend to be people who are involved in other illicit activities. These things tend to go together."

If you put aside conspiracy theories of crack peddling, that still leaves the question of why the Agency has repeatedly found itself associated with drug traffickers.

To add to the list of theories and speculations, Fred Hitz has his own.

"I would call them bureaucratically challenged," Hitz said. "(The CIA) didn't get it done. Having studied the agency over a period of eight years and the bureaucracy that is involved, it grieves me but doesn't surprise me that nobody grasped the nettle and got the right information to the field."

"No conspiracy," he said. "That's ineptitude. Yes, there are lots of things going on. There is congressional testimony. There are crises in other parts of the world. There are things that are keeping the individuals who write these regulations busy; but that's no excuse. You've got to get to it."

[Kemosave]

Is there a conspiracy by African American leaders to convince their people of a crack cocaine conspiracy?

You don't need the CIA to teach you to make crack. It's not all that hard if one is inclined to do such a thing.

And more whites do coca and freebase than blacks. Just look at the rehab stats.

[Anonymous20]

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[J-DUB]

THATS KRAZY

[Pomona Princess]

THE CRACK COCAINE PROBLEM EFFECTS BLACKS AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE, I DO KNOW THAT WHERE I AM FROM ALL I SEE ARE "CRACK HEADS" AND MOST OF THEM ARE BLACK. NOW LIKE I SAW ON THE PANTHERS MOVIE, WE DON'T OWN PLANES TO FLY DRUGS HERE OR DO WE OWN BOATS, BUT YES WE ARE GUILTY OF MAKING AND SELLING CRACK, BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO DO TO MAKE A WAY WHEN PEOPLE MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T GET A JOB IT IS SURVIVAL, ITS NOT RIGHT AND THERE ARE NO EXCUSES, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, WE DIDN'T GET IT HERE WE JUST SELL IT HERE.

[Mraka]

I don`t buy it.who is the author of the article?
the focus is very much on american institutions.Noregia might have had his fingers in it!?
for example after war in italy the cia covered the sizilian mafia .Cia guys helped build up the new administrative structure and searched fascists .mayors were needed and then the cia closed one eye while a "family" began its rise!
communal politics!!

[Dr. Gonzo]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

[Mraka]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

You rely on the friends around you.As you always did.You wouldn`t start immediately from knowing one, to movement in 0-100 in 5 seconds.And do not consume things that you wouldn`t eat.

[Psilly]

" BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO DO TO MAKE A WAY WHEN PEOPLE MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T GET A JOB IT IS SURVIVAL,.

I beg to differ. No one forced me to get an education so I can have a decent job,either. Taking the easy way out to fast cash then crying about it don't wash with me. Crack dealers don't have 401K's or a retirement plan,might be something to that,huh?

[Paper Chaser]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

you a follower. I'd like to follow that @ss in that pic

[Lonewolf]

Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts while hardly would have endorsed pronouncements like Spike Lee's -

- "I think it is no mistake that a majority of the drugs in this country is being deposited in Black & Hispanic and lower-income neighborhoods across the country",

or Louis Farrakhan's -

- "The epidemic of of drugs and violence in the Black community stems from a calculated attempt by whites to foster Black self-destruction",

or even with the theory of the white establishment pushing drugs into the Black community to divert young people from political action so they'd be zonked out and wouldn't be a threat.

Sen. Kery did however "see a larger conspiracy here than met the eye" when his invetigating committee of the Iran-Contra scandal concluded -

- 'that CIA agents and U.S. Government Officials knew about "AND" participated in cocaine smuggling by Nicaraguan Contras in league with Colombia's drug cartels'.

It was during this period of the 1980s, when cocaine suddenly became cheap and plentiful - and where it was previously a "status drug of neo-sophiticates", now it emerged in the highly addictive and mind destructive smokable "crack" form, permeating inner cities and urban neighborhoods inhabitted by Black and Hispanic minorities.

If you beleive that the U.S. government struck a deal with the Sicilian Mafia during WWII which helped the U.S. to knock out Mussolini's Facist Italy out of the war, and made the U.S. invasion of Sicily relatively easy, then you must refer back to the movie THE GODFATHER in which a meeting of Mafia Bosses in trying to handle the previously "taboo" drug business, they agree to "confide sales" to Black neighborhoods.

"They're animals anyway", says one of the Mafia Don's, "let them lose their souls".

Hollywood always has a lil' bit of thruth in the movies it feeds us with.

[luis x]

thats crazy mayn

[Mraka]

this good ,complete look on it;should I have a doubt about whats written in here:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/drugwars/crack01.html
I was about to read not finished,but I think it completes the look on some more aspects,too.

[purplecityhello]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

and in Harlem as we say...

once a crackhead, always a ...
I agree with the inital post, CIA is at fault str8 up and down

[Dr. Gonzo]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

you a follower. I'd like to follow that @ss in that pic

Why are you saying, I'm a follower?

[Dr. Gonzo]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

and in Harlem as we say...

once a crackhead, always a ...
I agree with the inital post, CIA is at fault str8 up and down

That's BS, I have not smoked crack for 7 years. Crystal is way better.

[Cold Bear]

^^^ LOL reformed and rehabilitated.

[Cold Bear]

But I heard Meth is like a functional drug, where rock will just lay you out.

[Dr. Gonzo]

One hit of rock lasts around 10 minutes and a ten has 4 hits. Crack is very overrated. I started smoking it when, I was 14 and quit at 17. I have no desire to smoke crack it's a waste of money. I would rather waste my money on Wild turkey or Vodka. And, I don't do crystal that much either probably like once a week. I'm more of a drunk now.

[purplecityhello]

^^^ youse a wild nigga

[Cold Bear]

I f*cked with rock a few times but it never got a hold of me. Once I f*cked with it too much in one night and my legs were all fucked up the next day, like my calfs just would not uncramp and shit. But yeah I can 'say no' even though I had a taste or two.

[purplecityhello]

ya niggas B Breakin the 1st rule

[Cold Bear]

to me two times really ain't shit. If it's more than that, then your prolly gone.

[Mraka]

Used to make a coffe stop in a Drug(name is Drop in) in .It is a streetcare project at center of Hamburg /Germany.Them addicts and zombies can change clothes,take a shower,and change their pumps.
Devastating picture.Once a junkie sat in the park nearby ,and pointed the needle to his arm,but stood still.I sat in my car,flipped the tape in the player,drank the coffee,smoked one or think two cigarettes,and he had the needle in his arm all the time,and I was about to go to him and push the pump.(too many action films)And the guy was in seventh heaven already,but stuff not yet injected.
I was on the toilet there,wanted to pee when all of the sudden two crackheads came in where I was and shared substances and tried to enlight a crackpipe though me wanted to follow the sound of nature.
Them other folks are searching crack on the floor another Junk might have lost,or garbage,all day long.
-it is too much,in any case
-I recommend the book "Christiane F"subtitle"Die Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo" translation" The Children of Railwaystation Zoo"

[dblack]

Free Freeway Ricky Ross

[Anonymous20]

Gary Webb, the author of the 3 day article that first exposed the conspiracy committed suicide last year. He is the author of the book, Dark Alliance and the guy who made the connection between the CIA, the contras fighting the communist central american governments and rock cocaine.

[Anonymous20]

Killed himself?, and some of you don't think this thing is rigged, at least a little bit?, how many suicides do you have to hear about?, how many,"accidents", LoL, good ol US of A

[Anonymous20]

Killed himself?, and some of you don't think this thing is rigged, at least a little bit?, how many suicides do you have to hear about?, how many,"accidents", LoL, good ol US of A

well if you know of something about GWebb let us know. I sure would like to know. But there are more suicides than murders every year in the US, so it is not unusual for someone to kill their self in the good ol US of A. Happens about 20,000 to 30,000 times each year.

[Lonewolf]

Gary Webb, the author of the 3 day article that first exposed the conspiracy committed suicide last year. He is the author of the book, Dark Alliance and the guy who made the connection between the CIA, the contras fighting the communist central american governments and rock cocaine.

Wait a minute Alonso, WHY DOES EVERY LATIN-AMERICAN NATIONALIST AND SOCIALIST REVOLUTION THAT THRIUMPS HAS TO BE LABELED "COMMUNIST"? It surpises me that You and educated Man, has not learned to differentiate between Marxist/Reds and Homegrown Socialism... Would You label Emiliano Zapata a communist also if he would of succeeded with his Plan De Ayala?

I'm more than curious or interested to hear Your response on this ^ ^ ^ ^

[Anonymous20]

Gary Webb, the author of the 3 day article that first exposed the conspiracy committed suicide last year. He is the author of the book, Dark Alliance and the guy who made the connection between the CIA, the contras fighting the communist central american governments and rock cocaine.

Wait a minute Alonso, WHY DOES EVERY LATIN-AMERICAN NATIONALIST AND SOCIALIST REVOLUTION THAT THRIUMPS HAS TO BE LABELED "COMMUNIST"? It surpises me that You and educated Man, has not learned to differentiate between Marxist/Reds and Homegrown Socialism... Would You label Emiliano Zapata a communist also if he would of succeeded with his Plan De Ayala?

I'm more than curious or interested to hear Your response on this ^ ^ ^ ^

I was just describing it as I had read it. Whether they are commis or not makes not difference to me. What is important was that there were groups that did not agree, a war ensued, and people were killed.

I probable would lable Zapata a communist as I would label Jesus a communist, because they were about the people and for the greater community hence the term communist. But GWebb, it is believed committed suicide and was wondering if any one had any info on his death.

[StillNoScript]

As a former Crack addict, I dont blame the CIA. I blame myself for hanging around crackheads no one stuck a glass pipe in my mouth it was my chioce so, I blame myself for all the people, I hurt to buy crack.

You're absolutely right, just as Oliver North and any of his knowing cohorts should be in prison for breaking the law themselves. North should not blame the demand or the lure of any military benefit for his operation. He should blame himself, for hanging around illegal, unsanctioned, international arms dealers, not to mention illegal drug dealers. No one forced the blood money into his hand, it was his choice, so he should blame himself for all the people he hurt.

[northside]

Is there a conspiracy by African American leaders to convince their people of a crack cocaine conspiracy?

You don't need the CIA to teach you to make crack. It's not all that hard if one is inclined to do such a thing.

And more whites do coca and freebase than blacks. Just look at the rehab stats.

The majority of black (and whites for that matter) that use crack don't have the money to pay for rehab, which is EXPENSIVE. The reson why their is more white people in rehab for crack is becuase there is more white people that can afford it. Rehab statistics have nothing to do with overall substance abuse statistics.