quote by a Mexican guy from another site

[Invincible]

I'm Mexican and I can tell you that that is bullsh*t. Numerically, most poor people are white- I have some of 'em in my barrio, here in LA. Poor whites have no affirmative action, no representation, and they are a very convenient scapegoat to dump the cause of racism on. They've been marginalized. Poor whites have it sh*tty.

Being white is not an automatic meal ticket. Look at the Irish, and all the immigrant groups that had it sh*tty from the get-go. Look at Northern Ireland, Russia, and Eastern Europe. Whites have been discriminated against, and white folks can have it sh*tty.

In terms of blaming the white man on all these problems, if you do some research, you'll see that Arabs and Africans captured and traded slaves too, and brutal deeds have been committed by all kinds of non-whites as well.

Judge a devil by his deed ese.

and:

Look, there are certain pockets of white people in certain areas, that are worse off than minorities. I know that for a fact. And under all this PC liberal bullsh*t self-righteous attempt at buttering up minorities (well, blacks at least, not really Mexicans), and with these legions of pacified, sissified PC perpetrators turning their backs on them, and actually defaming them by calling them racist idiots and "white trash", they just slip through the cracks.

Ethnic tensions have existed throughout human history. Why whould America be any different. Of course people don't get along. We're people. People usually stick to ways that they're comfortable with, and are wary and suspicious of what they don't know. People will exploit others. Hell, Africans actually captured other Africans and sold them to the white dudes. Arabs were doing it long before too.

[Anonymous20]

thats real talk. glad to see someone who can see through the stereotypes n 'race' lines

[Cold Bear]

there goes the reason why most hispanics vote Republican right there

[KRDreJ]

And I'm suppose to believe this propaganda? lol

[WillieCreeper]

Most Hispanics vote Democrat. Kerry V. Bush was 55% to 45%.

[smokey]

TRUE STUFF.IM GLAD TO SEE PEOPLE POST REAL SHT ON HERE

[Cold Bear]

WC that's not what was reported on the news. It was more like 65%-Bush to 35%-Kerry in this election.

[WillieCreeper]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... lls.0.html

That's where I got the stat from. CNN's site breaks down the vote by race of voter. For Latino voters, Bush got 44%, Kerry 53%, and Nader 2%.

If you go to:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... president/

try clicking on Texas. This gives a breakdown of the votes by county in Texas. You will see that Texas is red - it went to Bush, but there's a large southern stretch that went to Kerry -- Latino votes. Same with Florida.

Why would Latinos vote in the majority for a party that wants to exclude them from public services?

[Cold Bear]

WCreeper that's the same question I wonder. Your question is right on the money. Maybe the news that reported the republican majority of hispanic votes was FOX cause of its Bush ties? There's no doubt that those figures were reported at one point on Nov. 2nd, Cubans in Florida were especially mentioned along with those figures.

[Silencioso]

The stats I heard was that a little over half of Latinos voted for Bush. Like 60%.
That's not to hard to believe. According to the news, Cubans tend to vote Republican. A lot of Middle Class Mexicans do also.

[WillieCreeper]

Here it is straight from Univision:

A new poll of 800 Florida Hispanics by The Washington Post, Univision and the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute found Mr. Bush leading Mr. Kerry by 61 percent to 32 percent. Mr. Bush drew 81 percent of the Cuban vote, while Mr. Kerry won 42 percent of the Puerto Rican vote and 48 percent of Hispanics who were not Cuban or Puerto Rican."

But I still think that the national figures given by CNN are right.

[Conman]

Hispanics are traditionally more conservative. Bush carried the hispanic vote in Florida and Texas last election as well I do believe.

[Anonymous20]

cnn - clinton news network. I dont watch that crap or believe a word of it. Im Mexican and i would have voted for Bush if i could.

[Cold Bear]

I hear you, some close homies of mine are not able to vote. But I feel like conservative hispanics were fooled into voting for a candidate who was not looking out for them economically and politically because his appeal to religious sentiment. Kerry is Catholic but you didn't see him trumping up his relationship with God to win votes. LIke WC said, why would Latinos vote for a candidate that wasn't putting money into their neighborhoods, schools, programs, healthcare, unless there was ideology at work?

[Anonymous20]

yeah i hear u on that. But honsetly i say we fix the problems out of country to make sure we can work safly and hard on the problems in the country. That way we aint cought with out pants down n then everybody is f*cked

[Lonewolf]

There it is again bunching all Latinos under the same umbrella just because of the language or because of the roots originating from Hispanic-America.

Oh well, what you gonna do.

Tex-Mex's have always been more leaning toward the Republican side, in contrast with Cali-Mex's leaning towards the Democrat side, but for this election I do beleive most Mex-Americans voted for Bush as CNN and others reported; because of moral values especially the stand that Bush made in the gay-marriage issue, stem cell controversy and abortion. The war on terrorism and the economic factor for the most part took a second row seat, as well as the immigration amnesty issue that Kerry was leaning in favor for illegals, but for Mex-Americans the fact being that the family plays such a strong part in its members life; opted and voted for "MORAL VALUES" as primordial to the welfare of the Nation as a whole.

I don't claim to speak for all Mex-Americans, far from that, we are as diversed as anybody else in terms of politics, but that is my feel on things from all those around me.

In regards to other Hispanics/Latins or whatever other political correct term you want to use, I will not comment because they vary greatly as some have different priorities and loyalties as well as beleifs.

[Cold Bear]

I realize that putting people under one umbrella is wrong, and it's not accurate. That's probably the most diverse group, on a nationwide level that there is in this country.
Maybe the problem is with the classification. Because that's what the term does, is group all of those diverse economic levels and backgrounds and values into one group. I can UNDERSTAND why well-off Cuban-Americans vote for Bush because it's in their interest, but when it's presented that "Hispanic-Americans mostly support Bush" then I automatically think of all the types of latin folks in Spanish Harlem, or Brooklyn or 139 and B'way, and it don't make any sense. But here in NYC where there actually WAS terrorism 80% of EVERYBODY voted for Kerry. So you could understand people are bitter.

[WillieCreeper]

Grouping people is not inherently wrong when you are trying to make a point about broad trends - as on this thread. There is a great deal of diversity amongst blacks and whites (as the original quote would suggest) as well, but we often talk about those groups in broad terms too. I think looking at the aggregate numbers does point out the diversity amongst Hispanic groups - but the thread was making a point about whether MOST Hispanics vote for Bush, and I'm just trying to say hold on - that is a stereotype, not a fact, that I wouldn't accept. Like I said, I don't think it's true that Texans of Mexican origin are voting in droves for Bush - like I said, just check out the electoral maps. I also lived there for a good amount of time, and at least for San Antonio, can tell you that most "Hispanics" that I knew were much more left-leaning. And, the border states are the most prone to racist, BS policy - look at prop 200 in Arizona, that bans all state services for illegal immigrants, giving "Hispanics" as a broad group more reason to pause before voting Republican.

[MICK]

Hey Invincible, where did u find that quote? what site was it on?

[Lonewolf]

The stats I heard was that a little over half of Latinos voted for Bush. Like 60%.
That's not to hard to believe. According to the news, Cubans tend to vote Republican. A lot of Middle Class Mexicans do also.

LOL, I guess I'm in this category, but I voted for BUSH (being that i'm neither a Bush fan nor a republican) for the "VALUES" reasons.

[ChAoS]

Good Points. There not all right though. Africans sold other Africans for fear of their own safety. If Europeans came to your country, told you that they were going to set up shop, and that you could be with them or against them,(being sold yourself) what would you do? I don't wake up every morning with the thought that White America owes me anything, I just want a chance at equal opportunity. White folks have been through alot in the years too, But who hasn't? Minorities tend to be classed together(blacks, Asians Hispanics, ect.), but Whites are often associated as individuals no matter what type of lifestyle they live.=p)

[MICK]

Good Points. There not all right though. Africans sold other Africans for fear of their own safety. If Europeans came to your country, told you that they were going to set up shop, and that you could be with them or against them,(being sold yourself) what would you do?

Id laugh my ass off. escpecialy if they were french.

[BfKCmOney]

Most Hispanics vote Democrat. Kerry V. Bush was 55% to 45%.

Thats true
I heard that Catholics mostly vote for Democrats

[MICK]

^^ Thats not true bro. My entire family is Catholic and we're all republican. Also everyone at my church ive talked to about it voted Bush.
But you know what? WHO CARES? BUSH WON. KERRY LOST. ITS OVER.
so it doesnt matter who voted for what.

[B.M.W-Soldier]

^^ Thats not true bro. My entire family is Catholic and we're all republican. Also everyone at my church ive talked to about it voted Bush.
But you know what? WHO CARES? BUSH WON. KERRY LOST. ITS OVER.
so it doesnt matter who voted for what.

yes it does matter why?because this is the person that is running your country don't get me wrong I could give a fuck less about bush or kerry but the thing that kills me is all these people that repeat they voted for bush on values?what values the value to tell a woman that she can't have a abortion?I don't know if a lot of you are old enough to remember but there was a time when abortions was illegal and there were women performing home-abortions on themself and killing themself sticking plungers and metal hangers inside themself so don't feed me that values crap or that religion thing either because pron is a billion dollar business in america your trying to tell me that people in what is now calles "america's heartland"don't buy porn?get your head outta the sand all the sick and disgusting shit that is done on places like new york and california is done all across this country.What people forget is religion is submission regardless if your submitting to Allah,God,Jesus,Buddah(spelling?),etc do we not remember the times crusades?is this the times you want to bring back?people have to remember that love in your God is ok but this is a country were you can't impose your religion on someone else or your just like the supposed tyrants were fighting

[Lonewolf]

BMW you're taking it to the other extreme, what would you have us do? just accept every thing that comes in and someone claims a right to do?
If a man & a woman get horny and fock the night away, let them be responsible for the consequences if a child is created. If two gay men want to get it on each other, then so be it but don't shove it down our throats to accept BECAUSE IT AIN'T NATURAL TO ME, and definetely don't have teachers teach my children that it is ok for two boys to kiss, keep it out of the schools and out of childrens minds, when they grow up if that is the lifestyle they want to follow then so be it, but don't push them to it.
If you want to give your money for research on stem cell, then by all means give them your money, but don't force me to take up your cause, because as far as I'm concerned it goes against my religious belief therefore do not touch my tax money for it. WE HAVE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THIS COUNTRY and if the majority voted to keep things as is, then THAT WAS WHAT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY VOTED FOR.

[WIP]

thats real talk. glad to see someone who can see through the stereotypes n 'race' lines

yeah idealisticly common sense will hit your ass and you will understand its a class system. the have and have nots. but nobody wants to hear about a poor white man. please. he can clean his ass up and still sit CEO at a fortune 500 or lounge at a country club. While the black is still waitin on his ass and a mexican cuttin grass by the tennis courts.

[AcmeWhiteBread]

This a good thread. Im not one of the types of white people who jump up and down point out the BLATANT AND OBVIOUS racism that the system and some non-whites have toreward whites. I strted diging plumbing trenches with a pick and shovel when I was 17. I used to walk to work and eat what fruit I could find along the way. My point is thins. I was seated perfectly in an enviorment that I could have fell for all the easy money traps. Crystal Meth was really starting to be mass produced in 1980 and I am from what was then, the meth capitol of the world. Friends of mine were not working and making GIANT bank off that stuff. I would go to work thinking that I was probebly making a better choice by doing so. But at $5.00 that sometimes looked attractive. The point is, some people just make better choices. White, Black whatever. My problem, like everyone elses, is in the mirror.

[B.M.W-Soldier]

BMW you're taking it to the other extreme, what would you have us do? just accept every thing that comes in and someone claims a right to do?
If a man & a woman get horny and fock the night away, let them be responsible for the consequences if a child is created. If two gay men want to get it on each other, then so be it but don't shove it down our throats to accept BECAUSE IT AIN'T NATURAL TO ME, and definetely don't have teachers teach my children that it is ok for two boys to kiss, keep it out of the schools and out of childrens minds, when they grow up if that is the lifestyle they want to follow then so be it, but don't push them to it.
If you want to give your money for research on stem cell, then by all means give them your money, but don't force me to take up your cause, because as far as I'm concerned it goes against my religious belief therefore do not touch my tax money for it. WE HAVE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THIS COUNTRY and if the majority voted to keep things as is, then THAT WAS WHAT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY VOTED FOR.

I'm not taking it to the extreme you are read what you said because of "YOUR" religious beliefs you don't see that as right correct?well what about the muslim women in there respective middle eastern countries who wear veales(spelling?) people didn't see that shit as right either but that's their religuos belief.I'm not on either side of the fence but people with religion take shit to a extreme and are used by the government for that same purpose of course if a man and a women have sex and a child is created if THEY choose to THEY should have that child but if THEY don't choose to what then?the government should tell them what to do?that's not a conservative stand that's more of a liberal stand because if you live in cali you don't want new york rules imposed on you why?because you could give a fuck less about new york it's not your place of residence.Don't get me wrong I don't agree with certain aspects of people's lives but that doesn't make them BAD people that just makes them a PERSON differen't from me and people have to remember that in all forms of religion and that's why relgion gets abused everyday now to justify killing.maming,and pure radical violence.I'm not trying to say your wrong wolf not in the least you have your views I have mine what I'm trying to say is just because you live on one side of the fence that doesn't mean people on the other side are any differen't from you regardless of their sexual preference,right to choose,or stem-cell research.As for the government and money whoa that's a whole other story just pick up 2005 omnibus and you can see where mine and your tax dollars are going

[Kemosave]

Good post ACME. The excuses we come up with only feed the negative and stop positive growth and forward progress in our lives. Absolutely life is not fair and never will be but knowing that and letting it keep us down doesn't make our lives any better. Kick that crap to the curb and focus on what you can do each day to improve your situation.

[Lonewolf]

I would point to the fact that we ain't never going to agree as a Nation on all things, diversity is the rule, and I ain't trying to go back to the untolerable days of the inquistion either. As Mao said "RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF MAN", and you can throw in all kind of history on how religious fervor has been the leading cause of many wars and troubles. Having said that, I will say to you, that I am "not" a religious man, I HAVE A FAITH in the LORD MY GOD, but I ain't shoving it nobodys throat, I do however beleive others are trying to impose their liberal ways on me and my young ones all the time, so what did I do? I VOTED and millions of others did too, and we kept the status quo as is, I do believe however the time is catching up to where my values and beleifs will be on the minority end of things in the not too distant future. We can argue each other reasons for beleiving the way we do, and we can all have valid points, and that is what makes this Nation work - "FREEDOM TO PURSUE HAPPINESS & FREEDOM OF SPEECH", however there is sacrifices that we all need to make in order to make things work. We are becoming polarized no doubt, and we all need to give a lil' as we take a lil'.
Some things to me are uncompromising such as a LIFE in a womb, and that type of values are worth preserving and voting for, 'in my mind'.

[PS1979]

why would any level headed american of mexican extraction vote for a party who is 1)anti mexican 2)anti immigrant 3)anti affirmitive action??!?!
Republicans represent white nationalism at its most extreme, any mexican american with an ounce of racial pride would be stupid and an ass voting for this devilish whitemans club.

and blaming blacks for their own problems isnt any more intelligent.
Sure some warring black tribes participated in the enslavement of their own people..but who financed, organized and saw to it that those enslaved africans would end up in the new world as indentured servants??WHITE EUROPEANS!!
you can not justify or rationalize their actions by placing the weight of the blame on those that were unjustly victimized.

Thats like saying the conquistadors of spain that drained Mexico of all its wealth during the colonial period to build churches and finance wars in europe, arent somewhat responsible for the lackluster economy and poverty stricken landscape of mexico today.

...one more little thing, a side note about tejanos if you will.
Back during the days of the alamo the tejanos sided with the white men over their own kind, the mexicans. The mexican tejanos helped the white texans secure texas for america. From what i understand it was promised to the tejanos that they would enjoy all the spoils of the unjust territory acquisition. Well when all things were said and done, Texas became part of america and what do you know, those very same tejanos that helped whitey defeat the mexicans....got a rude awakening!
they were shit upon, discriminated against, lynched, terrorized and treated as the mud of texas society.
Basically the tejanos were the coconuts the sellouts of their era......and i dont think they have changed all that much even till today!
Most tejanos that i have met are self hating, immigrant hating wannabe whites.....with the exception of a few!!