GRAPHIC! Boko Harem films beheading of Christian man

[Christina Marie]

Video at link. it probably won't be up very long. They have posted 2 others on Youtube but they were removed within hours.
This is Islam people.....wake up



http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/headline ... video.html

[HungryWolf]

These guys r animals. Fuck em. Doing this to their own ppl shows the true nature of the beast. Keep Islam out of the Western world. Christina, I know we had some difficulties in the past, but concerning this I am with you 100%.

[Christina Marie]

These guys r animals. Fuck em. Doing this to their own ppl shows the true nature of the beast. Keep Islam out of the Western world. Christina, I know we had some difficulties in the past, but concerning this I am with you 100%.

Haha no were cool, if we all had exactly the same beliefs, the world would be pretty boring. But something like this, a core belief, it definitely separates in black or white, or wrong or right.

Just doing this to another human or even an animal is nothing less than pure evil. You don't torture people. Period. They claim to be so peace loving on one hand while in the other hand they carry a sign that says "kill anyone that doesn't practice Islam". These types of groups are getting bolder. They WANT to show the world they will kill anyone who believes in Jesus, is a Christian/Catholic/Jew etc.....anyone that isn't Muslim. And just so it is known, I double and even triple check to make sure the information is legit.

In the UK Subway restaurants have taken meats off the menu and have replaced with Halal meats to conform with Sharia law. Sharia is coming and we can't stop it. As a matter of fact, it is already here, we have already been infiltrated. Our own president is Muslim and anyone who says he isn't is either blind or a damn liar.

Here's another example of what is happening
http://www.breathecast.com/articles/chr ... lam-15371/

[RuthlessCray]

I'm not a fan of Islam or any religion really, but I wonder if American media likes to grab these sort of stories and sensationalize them. What percentage of Muslims act this way? ( Serious question, genuinely curious). The way I see it, the number one threat to the world today is the US Federal Government, and every other threat looks like small potatoes in my outlook.

[HungryWolf]

That's sad but true. UK has it worst, there r a couple of areas that have sharia laws installed. More sad is that a lot of white European ppl r the manipulators behind all this. Ppl who converted to islam, a religion they have nothing in common with. In my opion it is their weak reaction to go along with muslim immigration all over Europe. Muslim immigrants in some places use their religion to draw a line between them and us. Our ppl r on the fence in these areas. The weaklings go along with it by converting to islam. That's how far it went on in the Western world. A struggle that hasn't reached its peak yet.
The funny thing about it is that when I was a kid I was taught "nip it in the bud" which refers to rightism. It worked. Rightism is ostracized over here. But ppl r really too blind to see that the national socialists of tomorrow don't come along as nazis. They just changed clothes. Henrich Himmler, Reichsführer SS once said "Islam is similar to our believes". So, what does this tell about islam? Your guess is as good as mine. If ppl would open their eyes they'd see that we need to nip islamization of the western world in the bud to to defend our way of life, democracy and freedom in the same way we were taught to stop national socialism. But our ppl r still brainwashed by all the liberal assholes and the media.
See it like this: religion was once set up to regulate society by laws everyone had to obey. That was OK back then. But now we life in a state that has laws based on Western principles like democracy, freedom and equality. There is no need for a dominant religion anymore. If ppl wanna practice religion coz they believe in god that's OK, but it's a private thing. Muslims should understand that.

[alexalonso]

I stopped watching beheading videos after watching Daniel Pearl video from years ago. I dont know what kind of distorted Islam that Boko Harem is practicing, furthermore, I dont understand how Islam has penetrated into Western Africa.

[Christina Marie]

I'm not a fan of Islam or any religion really, but I wonder if American media likes to grab these sort of stories and sensationalize them. What percentage of Muslims act this way? ( Serious question, genuinely curious). The way I see it, the number one threat to the world today is the US Federal Government, and every other threat looks like small potatoes in my outlook.

Actually these examples I posted were not found on any U.S. MSM sources. MSM is actually either ignorant to (which I highly doubt) or down playing.

The better question is "what other religion in the world (besides maybe satanists) kill in the name of religion?"

That's just it. We are being infiltrated right under our noses and nobody seems to notice. And I hear people say "not all Muslims are like that". MY AZZ. I have dealt with Muslims in varying degrees, under a wide variety of circumstances and while they are nice to your face, trust and believe if it came down to it they would kill you rather than risk being killed by their own people. And next time you are working with a Muslim or in the presence of, pay attention when they think you aren't looking at how they look at you and if that doesn't scare you I don't know what will. I had a gf I went to night classes with who was Filipino, married into a Muslim family and even she told me that they hate us and only tolerate us because they have to right now.


The map below is pretty accurate I found from cross referencing

[Christina Marie]

I stopped watching beheading videos after watching Daniel Pearl video from years ago. I dont know what kind of distorted Islam that Boko Harem is practicing, furthermore, I dont understand how Islam has penetrated into Western Africa.

Ya I can understand that. For me personally, I feel I should at least honor the person by witnessing it. It's not something I would watch repeatedly, obviously it is not entertainment, but the person deserves to have it acknowledged how and better yet why they were killed.

You know how we wonder how in God's name did Hitler brainwash so many people and get away with what he did? There really is no logical explanation. It's going to be like that.

[Christina Marie]

That's sad but true. UK has it worst, there r a couple of areas that have sharia laws installed. More sad is that a lot of white European ppl r the manipulators behind all this. Ppl who converted to islam, a religion they have nothing in common with. In my opion it is their weak reaction to go along with muslim immigration all over Europe. Muslim immigrants in some places use their religion to draw a line between them and us. Our ppl r on the fence in these areas. The weaklings go along with it by converting to islam. That's how far it went on in the Western world. A struggle that hasn't reached its peak yet.
The funny thing about it is that when I was a kid I was taught "nip it in the bud" which refers to rightism. It worked. Rightism is ostracized over here. But ppl r really too blind to see that the national socialists of tomorrow don't come along as nazis. They just changed clothes. Henrich Himmler, Reichsführer SS once said "Islam is similar to our believes". So, what does this tell about islam? Your guess is as good as mine. If ppl would open their eyes they'd see that we need to nip islamization of the western world in the bud to to defend our way of life, democracy and freedom in the same way we were taught to stop national socialism. But our ppl r still brainwashed by all the liberal assholes and the media.
See it like this: religion was once set up to regulate society by laws everyone had to obey. That was OK back then. But now we life in a state that has laws based on Western principles like democracy, freedom and equality. There is no need for a dominant religion anymore. If ppl wanna practice religion coz they believe in god that's OK, but it's a private thing. Muslims should understand that.

Here you go...this is a great example

Sharia law to be enshrined in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines on drawing up documents according to Islamic rules

Top lawyers have written guidelines for British solicitors on drafting 'sharia-compliant' wills which can deny women an equal share of their inheritance and entirely exclude non-believers, it was revealed today. The Law Society, which represents solicitors in England and Wales, has written a guide on Sharia succession rules that will be used in British courts. It will mean that children born outside of marriage and adopted children could also be denied their fair share.

The guide states: 'No distinction is made between children of different marriages, but illegitimate and adopted children are not Sharia heirs. 'The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class. Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognized.

'Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death.'

The Law Society claims the guide is simply to promote 'good practice' and 'support members so they can help clients from all backgrounds' - but the move has been criticised by equality campaigners.

Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, an organisation that campaigns for strict separation of the state from religious institutions and equality of religion before the law, says the move is a backwards step that undermines British justice. Equality campaigner Baroness Cox said the Law Society document 'violates everything we stand for'
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Equality campaigner Baroness Cox said the Law Society document 'violates everything we stand for'

He said: 'The UK has the most comprehensive equality laws in the world, yet the Law Society seems determined to undermine this by giving approval to a system that relegates women, non-Muslim and children born out of wedlock to second class citizenship.

'Instead of running scared at any mention of sharia, politicians of all parties should face these issues square on and insist on the primacy of democratically-determined human rights-compliant law.

'Laws determined by Parliament should prevail over centuries-old theocratic laws. We should have One Law for All, not allowing any law to operate which disadvantages any sections of the community.'

Nicholas Fluck, president of the Law Society, said in a statement: 'This practice note provides guidance to solicitors dealing with clients where Sharia succession rules may be relevant.

'This is the first time such advice has been published and we hope it will assist solicitors with Sharia probate matters.

'There is a wide variety of spiritual, religious and cultural beliefs within our population, and the Law Society wants to support its members so they can help clients from all backgrounds.

'We hope this guidance will help solicitors assist their clients and go some way to forming an idea of good practice when it comes to applying Sharia succession rules within the legal profession.'

But Baroness Cox, who campaigns against religious discrimination against women, said the guidance was a worrying development.

She told the Sunday Telegraph: 'This violates everything we stand for. It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.'

In the past she has spoken out about the growth of 'Islamic courts' resolving disputes.

She said: 'No longer do we have a single legal code in our society.

'Instead, alongside our own law, there is now effectively a parallel quasi-legal system operating within some Muslim communities.

'Sharia law, imported from theocracies like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, first began to be used here in a strictly limited form, dealing mainly with narrow issues like Islamic financial contracts.

'But as the Muslim population has grown and the pervasive creed of multiculturalism has become ever more powerful, so Sharia law has rapidly grown in influence within some communities.

'There are now estimated to be no fewer than 85 Sharia courts across the country — from London and Manchester to Bradford and Nuneaton. They operate mainly from mosques, settling financial and family disputes according to religious principles.'


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[RuthlessCray]

I'm not a fan of Islam or any religion really, but I wonder if American media likes to grab these sort of stories and sensationalize them. What percentage of Muslims act this way? ( Serious question, genuinely curious). The way I see it, the number one threat to the world today is the US Federal Government, and every other threat looks like small potatoes in my outlook.

Actually these examples I posted were not found on any U.S. MSM sources. MSM is actually either ignorant to (which I highly doubt) or down playing.

The better question is "what other religion in the world (besides maybe satanists) kill in the name of religion?"

That's just it. We are being infiltrated right under our noses and nobody seems to notice. And I hear people say "not all Muslims are like that". MY AZZ. I have dealt with Muslims in varying degrees, under a wide variety of circumstances and while they are nice to your face, trust and believe if it came down to it they would kill you rather than risk being killed by their own people. And next time you are working with a Muslim or in the presence of, pay attention when they think you aren't looking at how they look at you and if that doesn't scare you I don't know what will. I had a gf I went to night classes with who was Filipino, married into a Muslim family and even she told me that they hate us and only tolerate us because they have to right now.


The map below is pretty accurate I found from cross referencing

My views on the dangers of religion were expressed in in another topic on this forum, I think the title was " which religion has killed the most people?" And I argue that statism is by far thee most dangerous religion that mankind has invented. Obviously in many places, the State is merged with some form of Islam..but the fact remains that statism remains the greatest threat, and it is no coincidence that barbaric religions stay alive under statism, a system that is only able to exist with tribalistic people that have no understanding or respect for logic, reason and evidence but are instead raised in a culture where superstition and violence is used to organize society.

[Christina Marie]

Council of Islamic Ideology declares women’s existence anti-Islamic

March 15, 2014 BY Khabaristan Today

Islamabad - Sharia Correspondent: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded their 192nd meeting on Thursday with the ruling that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah. As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible. The announcement comes a couple of days after CII’s 191st meeting where they dubbed laws related to minimum marriage age to be un-Islamic.

After declaring women to be un-Islamic, Shirani explained that there were actually two kinds of women – haraam and makrooh. “We can divide all women in the world into two distinct categories: those who are haraam and those who are makrooh. Now the difference between haraam and makrooh is that the former is categorically forbidden while the latter is really really disliked,” Shirani said.

He further went on to explain how the women around the world can ensure that they get promoted to being makrooh, from just being downright haraam. “Any woman that exercises her will is haraam, absolutely haraam, and is conspiring against Islam and the Ummah, whereas those women who are totally subservient can reach the status of being makrooh. Such is the generosity of our ideology and such is the endeavour of Muslim men like us who are the true torchbearers of gender equality,” the CII chairman added.

Officials told Khabaristan Today that the council members deliberated over various historic references related to women and concluded that each woman is a source of fitna and a perpetual enemy of Islam. They also decided that by restricting them to their subordinate, bordering on slave status, the momineen and the mujahideen can ensure that Islam continues to be the religion of peace, prosperity and gender equality.

Responding to a question one of the officials said that international standards of gender equality should not be used if they contradict Islam or the constitution of Pakistan that had incorporated Islam and had given sovereignty to Allah. “We don’t believe in western ideals, and nothing that contradicts Islam should ever be paid heed. In any case by giving women the higher status of being makrooh, it’s us Muslims who have paved the way for true, Sharia compliant feminism,” the official said.

The CII meeting also advised the government that to protect Islam women’s right to breathe should also be taken away from them. “Whether a woman is allowed to breathe or not be left up to her husband or male guardian, and no woman under any circumstance whatsoever should be allowed to decide whether she can breathe or not,” Shirani said.

Bilawal announces Sukhbir’s concert to raise food for drought victims

Thar - Staff Report: Pakistan Peoples Party (Chairman) Bilawal Benazir Zulfikar Asif Ali Zardari Bhutto (short Bilawal Bhutto) has invited renowned pop singer to Thar for a concert to raise food for the drought victims, Khabaristan Today has learnt. Bilawal believes that Sukhbir’s show, which he dubbed the Thar Festival, will generate enough money to serve the hungry people in the region.

“You have no idea how much the situation in Thar is hurting me personally. The Sindh government is trying so hard to make sure that everyone in the province is happy, and yet we see such appalling pictures. I really feel like I might have to organise another Sindh Festival here,” Bilawal told Khabaristan Today.

He then went on to explain how inviting Sukhbir over for a concert will solve the hunger crisis in the region. “I guess I will have to make do with a mini Thar festival, since another Sindh Festival might not be possible right now. In any case we are inviting Sukhbir over for a concert and all the money generated from the concert would go straight to the relief fund dedicated to the Thar victims,” Bilawal added.

The PPP chairman further said that if concerts can make Imran Khan’s (the former cricketer, not the singer or the actor) Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf the second biggest party in the country, they can “sure as hell” make PPP the second biggest party in Sindh.

“Sure, we might be calling the shots in the province but everyone knows who the biggest party in Sindh is, I mean come on,” Bilawal reiterated adding that, “Sukhbir’s party might help us establish ourselves as the second biggest provincial political party and help solve the Thar crisis simultaneously.”

The PPP chairman then went on to do a bhangra dance on “Ishq Tera Tadpaay” exclusively for Khabaristan Today, forcing our camera man to resign unconditionally.

529 Paul Smith outlets open in Charsadda on the same day

Charsadda - Fashion Correspondent: In what was a historic day for fashion 529 Paul Smith outlets opened simultaneously in Charsadda on Tuesday, Khabaristan Today has learnt. Another surprising fact about these outlets was that the outlets only seemed to be dealing in Paul Smith’s latest offering, “Robert”. Even so, in a surprising turn of events the original version of the shoe that is being sold for around $600 worldwide, is being sold merely for Rs600 in these outlets.

We cannot seem to pinpoint the reason behind these bizarre happenings. But Paul Smith seems to have taken global and Pakistani fashion industry by storm this week. Robert seems to be here to stay, despite the fact that sales in Charsadda aren’t particularly high. Locals don’t see anything different in Robert as compared to what they have been wearing for generations.

“I didn’t even notice that all these outlets had opened in this city. Probably because all they seem to be offering are these shoes that my family has been wearing for a couple of centuries now,” a passerby told this scribe.

“And they are selling it at the same rate as Peshawari chappals. No wonder no one’s buying them,” he added.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/03 ... i-islamic/#

[Christina Marie]

I'm not a fan of Islam or any religion really, but I wonder if American media likes to grab these sort of stories and sensationalize them. What percentage of Muslims act this way? ( Serious question, genuinely curious). The way I see it, the number one threat to the world today is the US Federal Government, and every other threat looks like small potatoes in my outlook.

Actually these examples I posted were not found on any U.S. MSM sources. MSM is actually either ignorant to (which I highly doubt) or down playing.

The better question is "what other religion in the world (besides maybe satanists) kill in the name of religion?"

That's just it. We are being infiltrated right under our noses and nobody seems to notice. And I hear people say "not all Muslims are like that". MY AZZ. I have dealt with Muslims in varying degrees, under a wide variety of circumstances and while they are nice to your face, trust and believe if it came down to it they would kill you rather than risk being killed by their own people. And next time you are working with a Muslim or in the presence of, pay attention when they think you aren't looking at how they look at you and if that doesn't scare you I don't know what will. I had a gf I went to night classes with who was Filipino, married into a Muslim family and even she told me that they hate us and only tolerate us because they have to right now.


The map below is pretty accurate I found from cross referencing

My views on the dangers of religion were expressed in in another topic on this forum, I think the title was " which religion has killed the most people?" And I argue that statism is by far thee most dangerous religion that mankind has invented. Obviously in many places, the State is merged with some form of Islam..but the fact remains that statism remains the greatest threat, and it is no coincidence that barbaric religions stay alive under statism, a system that is only able to exist with tribalistic people that have no understanding or respect for logic, reason and evidence but are instead raised in a culture where superstition and violence is used to organize society.

I wouldn't consider statism a religion though

[RuthlessCray]

I'm not a fan of Islam or any religion really, but I wonder if American media likes to grab these sort of stories and sensationalize them. What percentage of Muslims act this way? ( Serious question, genuinely curious). The way I see it, the number one threat to the world today is the US Federal Government, and every other threat looks like small potatoes in my outlook.

Actually these examples I posted were not found on any U.S. MSM sources. MSM is actually either ignorant to (which I highly doubt) or down playing.

The better question is "what other religion in the world (besides maybe satanists) kill in the name of religion?"

That's just it. We are being infiltrated right under our noses and nobody seems to notice. And I hear people say "not all Muslims are like that". MY AZZ. I have dealt with Muslims in varying degrees, under a wide variety of circumstances and while they are nice to your face, trust and believe if it came down to it they would kill you rather than risk being killed by their own people. And next time you are working with a Muslim or in the presence of, pay attention when they think you aren't looking at how they look at you and if that doesn't scare you I don't know what will. I had a gf I went to night classes with who was Filipino, married into a Muslim family and even she told me that they hate us and only tolerate us because they have to right now.


The map below is pretty accurate I found from cross referencing

My views on the dangers of religion were expressed in in another topic on this forum, I think the title was " which religion has killed the most people?" And I argue that statism is by far thee most dangerous religion that mankind has invented. Obviously in many places, the State is merged with some form of Islam..but the fact remains that statism remains the greatest threat, and it is no coincidence that barbaric religions stay alive under statism, a system that is only able to exist with tribalistic people that have no understanding or respect for logic, reason and evidence but are instead raised in a culture where superstition and violence is used to organize society.

I wouldn't consider statism a religion though

Well that's exactly the problem...you and the majority of the world. But if you were to study it as objectively as possible then there's a good chance you'll come to the same conclusion that I did.

The State's origins are religion. One man convinces other people that he is a god or has the divine right to rule, and pay him because god says so.

I like when people get all worked up about separating church and state.. Religion and the state go together like bread and peanut butter. They always have and separating them is a new and naive idea. Most atheists today are devote Statists. They think they gave up superstition in favor of science but in reality they just replaced it with another superstition, one FAR more dangerous than any of the religions they say they reject.

So my point with all this is to just try putting this all in perspective. Statism or as were trained to call them today "governments" have murdered over 260 million people in the last century alone, and that's excluding the wars they caused.

So is Islam a threat? Maybe. I just don't want to take my eye of the real threat to humanity. Not to mention, the US government always seems to have its hands in every conflict in the world, funding and radicalizing certain groups in order to destabilize a country so that they have an excuse to swoop in and take control of the region. I stay highly suspicious of these things.

[HungryWolf]

OK Cray, I read the thread u mentioned and first thing I must admit is u r very well educated. I agree on a lot of points u made. But here comes my point: Religion and government have the same meaning. Both set up rules for society. Period.
So, by saying "The State's origins are religion" u r wrong. The states origin is society. U can see it all around the world. Western civilisation developed from Heathen tribes over Christian occupation to democracy.
The Western man had no need for a religion anymore and that came by a reason. Europe is the cradle of philosophy. Nietzsche, Machiavelli and their likes questioned Christianity. U can see it all over Europe. This has always been the nature of the Western man. Evolution and improvement. We finally learned that a classic religion like Christianity, Islam or Jewry r the chains that we needed to break. So we got democracy. Back to my point: Society chose its government (be it democracy or religion). So, the states origin r not religion but society.

Btw: All three major religions didn't originate in the Western Hemisphere but in the Orient. The came to our world by war and occupation. Just saying ...

By keeping all the things I mentioned in mind Islam is a threat to our society. They force us to turn all the way around and lower our standarts like a couple of hundred years ago. They want us to live by rules we've abbandoned long ago. And finally – most important – they r installing a second government in our society. This will not work. The conflict will come. Ppl will definitely fight about this.

I don't question myself which rules r a greater threat to the world (islams or democracies rules). I question what is a threat to the Western world and to our way of life. So, u might now question yourself: where would I prefer to life? A Western country or an islamic country with sharia rules enforced like Iran, Somalia or Afghanistan?

Oh, one more thing: I doubt that sharia and book haram r good for the African continent as well. Hope we finally can agree in this one

[Quepolo3]

Wow, that was savage! We have to wipe these clowns off the face of the Earth.

[RuthlessCray]

OK Cray, I read the thread u mentioned and first thing I must admit is u r very well educated. I agree on a lot of points u made. But here comes my point: Religion and government have the same meaning. Both set up rules for society. Period.
So, by saying "The State's origins are religion" u r wrong. The states origin is society. U can see it all around the world. Western civilisation developed from Heathen tribes over Christian occupation to democracy.
The Western man had no need for a religion anymore and that came by a reason. Europe is the cradle of philosophy. Nietzsche, Machiavelli and their likes questioned Christianity. U can see it all over Europe. This has always been the nature of the Western man. Evolution and improvement. We finally learned that a classic religion like Christianity, Islam or Jewry r the chains that we needed to break. So we got democracy. Back to my point: Society chose its government (be it democracy or religion). So, the states origin r not religion but society.

Btw: All three major religions didn't originate in the Western Hemisphere but in the Orient. The came to our world by war and occupation. Just saying ...

By keeping all the things I mentioned in mind Islam is a threat to our society. They force us to turn all the way around and lower our standarts like a couple of hundred years ago. They want us to live by rules we've abbandoned long ago. And finally – most important – they r installing a second government in our society. This will not work. The conflict will come. Ppl will definitely fight about this.

I don't question myself which rules r a greater threat to the world (islams or democracies rules). I question what is a threat to the Western world and to our way of life. So, u might now question yourself: where would I prefer to life? A Western country or an islamic country with sharia rules enforced like Iran, Somalia or Afghanistan?

Oh, one more thing: I doubt that sharia and book haram r good for the African continent as well. Hope we finally can agree in this one

Simply saying " The states origins are society" means nothing. Unless you mean the state's origin is civilization, in which case that may be partially true only due to the fact that there must be a civilization in place already in order for the state to rule over and tax. You can maybe argue that the state created civilization but I see no evidence for that..was there a state ruler in the city states of Mesopotamia centrally planning and building up civilization? The state cannot exist without taxation in the first place, so with no existing wealth or civilization, it cannot exist to begin with.

The Western man had no need for a religion anymore and that came by a reason. Europe is the cradle of philosophy. Nietzsche, Machiavelli and their likes questioned Christianity. U can see it all over Europe. This has always been the nature of the Western man. Evolution and improvement. We finally learned that a classic religion like Christianity, Islam or Jewry r the chains that we needed to break. So we got democracy.

I agree with this. The good philosophers of history, the ones that questioned the modern doctrines of their day and were ahead of their time are a big reason as to why so much improvement has taken place. So I agree completely up until you said " so we got democracy." What I argue is that we, as a civilization got to push it further than that. Democracy was the next religion that replaced the others, and I am very confident that it too will be abandoned in favor of something more rational, logical and moral. You see history didn't stop in the early 20th century. You think 500 years from now, people will still be blindly supporting democracy? Hell no! They will look back at the age of democracy the way we look back at the days of monarchy ! That's just the way it is, we are constantly evolving and pushing forward with more ideas. We didn't reach " the one true system for all time." We still have along ways to go, conventional wisdom is usually wrong.

Now back to the Islam thing, like I've said, I'm not a fan and no I don't think sharia law is good for Africa. I'm for individual rights and respect for private property. I reject the initiation of force, but under statism and democracy, people with violent and irrational belief systems become more of a threat because as you said, they will try to make their own government. And they can also grow in numbers or over populate a certain region which means they can gain enough political power to dominate other groups or force people to comply with their system. But all democracy is, is mob rule, might makes right, the crowd with more bodies wins out. No respect for the individual.

[HungryWolf]

Simply saying " The states origins are society" means nothing. Unless you mean the state's origin is civilization, in which case that may be partially true only due to the fact that there must be a civilization in place already in order for the state to rule over and tax. You can maybe argue that the state created civilization but I see no evidence for that..was there a state ruler in the city states of Mesopotamia centrally planning and building up civilization? The state cannot exist without taxation in the first place, so with no existing wealth or civilization, it cannot exist to begin with.

I totally disagree with u in this one. I'd indeed take it further back. U don't need civilization to build up a state. See, I am a darwinist. Let's have a look at wolves. A wolf pack is some kind of a state. U got the citizens (regular wolves) and the leader (alpha wolf). He runs his pack. He even taxes them by getting the most part of the pray. Look at ants and bees. Same thing. We as humans just did it with a higher consciousness. Society is given by nature, the being forms the state. Just my point of view...

I agree with this. The good philosophers of history, the ones that questioned the modern doctrines of their day and were ahead of their time are a big reason as to why so much improvement has taken place. So I agree completely up until you said " so we got democracy." What I argue is that we, as a civilization got to push it further than that. Democracy was the next religion that replaced the others, and I am very confident that it too will be abandoned in favor of something more rational, logical and moral. You see history didn't stop in the early 20th century. You think 500 years from now, people will still be blindly supporting democracy? Hell no! They will look back at the age of democracy the way we look back at the days of monarchy ! That's just the way it is, we are constantly evolving and pushing forward with more ideas. We didn't reach " the one true system for all time." We still have along ways to go, conventional wisdom is usually wrong.

Well, I didn't say democracy is the state-of-the-art. But until now it is the only thing that guarantees more or less freedom for the individual. Of course there is development and improvement. Our Western states will hopefully be better in a couple of decades. That's just our nature – if we don't back down to medieval religions and laws. That's a thread to our way of life.

But all democracy is, is mob rule, might makes right, the crowd with more bodies wins out. No respect for the individual.

No, that's ochlocracy. That's what's happening in Ukraine right now. Or in Somalia. Or Afghanistan. Democracy features one important thing and that's human rights. I know what u actually mean, but I just can't let this slip. The weak point on democracy is the peoples passiveness and the governments ignorance. We need to improve this, fix it and gain sovereignty of our way of life again. And back to the topic: Islam won't help us with this one.

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Simply saying " The states origins are society" means nothing. Unless you mean the state's origin is civilization, in which case that may be partially true only due to the fact that there must be a civilization in place already in order for the state to rule over and tax. You can maybe argue that the state created civilization but I see no evidence for that..was there a state ruler in the city states of Mesopotamia centrally planning and building up civilization? The state cannot exist without taxation in the first place, so with no existing wealth or civilization, it cannot exist to begin with.

I totally disagree with u in this one. I'd indeed take it further back. U don't need civilization to build up a state. See, I am a darwinist. Let's have a look at wolves. A wolf pack is some kind of a state. U got the citizens (regular wolves) and the leader (alpha wolf). He runs his pack. He even taxes them by getting the most part of the pray. Look at ants and bees. Same thing. We as humans just did it with a higher consciousness. Society is given by nature, the being forms the state. Just my point of view...

I've talked before on how I don't believe the state is "our tribe" but because we are wired to think this way, we're sort of tricked into thinking this way, maybe even subconsciously. I just think its a mistake. Some ruler hundreds of miles away is not part of "my tribe." Yes people are tribal, but for example, is America a tribe? Does the US federal government represent me and my point of view? Can 300 + million people possibly be like a wolf pack? There's no way, it makes no sense.

I agree with this. The good philosophers of history, the ones that questioned the modern doctrines of their day and were ahead of their time are a big reason as to why so much improvement has taken place. So I agree completely up until you said " so we got democracy." What I argue is that we, as a civilization got to push it further than that. Democracy was the next religion that replaced the others, and I am very confident that it too will be abandoned in favor of something more rational, logical and moral. You see history didn't stop in the early 20th century. You think 500 years from now, people will still be blindly supporting democracy? Hell no! They will look back at the age of democracy the way we look back at the days of monarchy ! That's just the way it is, we are constantly evolving and pushing forward with more ideas. We didn't reach " the one true system for all time." We still have along ways to go, conventional wisdom is usually wrong.

Well, I didn't say democracy is the state-of-the-art. But until now it is the only thing that guarantees more or less freedom for the individual. Of course there is development and improvement. Our Western states will hopefully be better in a couple of decades. That's just our nature – if we don't back down to medieval religions and laws. That's a thread to our way of life.

Democracy by definition isn't about the rights of the individual, it is about votes and the majority rules.

I realize modern states today don't always make policy purely on direct democracy, there's constitutions and representatives but states always wind up breaking their own rules and accumulating power, and choosing representatives still viols down to voting.

But all democracy is, is mob rule, might makes right, the crowd with more bodies wins out. No respect for the individual.

No, that's ochlocracy. That's what's happening in Ukraine right now. Or in Somalia. Or Afghanistan. Democracy features one important thing and that's human rights. I know what u actually mean, but I just can't let this slip. The weak point on democracy is the peoples passiveness and the governments ignorance. We need to improve this, fix it and gain sovereignty of our way of life again. And back to the topic: Islam won't help us with this one.

I agree, I'm not a fan of Islam either. Just want to keep reminding people that the state has mass murdered people in the number range of hundreds of millions. It's almost like a cult, if it isn't a religion than how else can regular people mass murder so many other people just because some guy with a stupid uniform and funny mustache ordered them to?