Difference between an criminal organization & enterprise?

[Elimu]

What's the overall difference between an criminal organization and criminal enterprise?

[Faciulina]

What's the overall difference between an criminal organization and criminal enterprise?

i think thewestside could answer better but i think an organized crime organization has to have rules, codes, strong control of territory etc. like the italian mafia or yakuza fopr example, instead the criminal enterprise is more porous, flexible and the only target is to earn money as soon as possible

[VsichkoEBosh]

What's the overall difference between an criminal organization and criminal enterprise?

i think thewestside could answer better but i think an organized crime organization has to have rules, codes, strong control of territory etc. like the italian mafia or yakuza fopr example, instead the criminal enterprise is more porous, flexible and the only target is to earn money as soon as possible

No.

First off, what makes it an organized crime group and not a gang? Because it looks like the fucking mafia?

Second, there's no such thing as a criminal enterprise. There is no such thing as an organized crime group either. It's all business, consider the fact that both legitimate and illegitimate businesses use illegitimate means to make money and enforce their operations.

A large coorperation with strong political connections has way more weigh than any organized crime group.

The member majority of an organized crime group are career criminals. Whenever they need money, they result to crime. Only the top bosses are capable of keeping their position legitimate and stable since they already have secured it within legitimate business and politics. The member majority of a large corperation is regular people who just take orders. Only those closest to the boss are notified of such activities. If the boss and top ranks don't know and do not approve of the activities, then it was some executive or a bunch of workers who's gonna get the blame. One's a scandal, one's a typical white collar case.

And for large corperations I'm not talking about toxic waste dumping or stupid shit like that, but everything a criminal enterprise would seek to do. Be it financial crimes such as embezzlement, fraud, tax evasion or violent crimes such as murder. It's all been done, it's all happening and will continue to be done unless the overall world system changes drastically, which won't happen for awhile.

I remember the Business Plot...hey, they tried to pull a Russian, had some US military general and his rouge division create a coup..

The only difference between the large corperations, the government and the organized crime groups is that the corperations pay the governments to change the business law and the organized crime groups are too impatient and impulsive to be legitimate according to the rules of the both aformentioned.

[VsichkoEBosh]

Note that the traditional structure of the Italian mafia was successful because technology and Western civilization were both primitive compared to the 21st century.

Now as long as the system stays, network like organized crime will flourish nonstop and if you put one boss behind bars, his business partner will pay to have him free and so on. With connections like those, they will never have to spend a second in jail, that's if they have no faults against their partners which can set them up...

The only risk that remains in organized crime is physical pain. You can still get shot, stabbed, get your head cracked in, your family killed etc.

So count jail out, only murder remains.

And even then if you kill a major figure, soon enough another will replace his position.

Back then it was more up to the individual, the reason a crime family would be lost without a major leader. It's like Patton giving morale to his troops. That all matters.

Today it's all about money and living the good life. That's it. Your position is based on what you need to do, and you do it good you make money. You get killed, people mourn, but someone replaces your position.

That's it. There's no more Capones or Bugsys. There's 5 mafia bosses living in the same building in Stip, Macedonia. There's so many members of organized crime it's literally become a meaningless experience but nevertheless remains an extremely profitable business. And the image of fear still stands. Organized crime has the same means as a large corp or government - it can buy private military muscle to enforce it's operations, use slick means to take out their targets quietly and even have the technology such as private sattilites to track people down via that and it ends up all interconnected.

That's the 21st century for you.

[Faciulina]

First off, what makes it an organized crime group and not a gang? Because it looks like the #%@&#%@ mafia?

Second, there's no such thing as a criminal enterprise. There is no such thing as an organized crime group either. It's all business, consider the fact that both legitimate and illegitimate businesses use illegitimate means to make money and enforce their operations.

the organized crime includes only the mafia-style organizations to me... italian mafia, yakuza and triads are probably the only real organized crime syndicates in the world because their very-long history, rules, hierachy

[VsichkoEBosh]

First off, what makes it an organized crime group and not a gang? Because it looks like the #%@&#%@ mafia?

Second, there's no such thing as a criminal enterprise. There is no such thing as an organized crime group either. It's all business, consider the fact that both legitimate and illegitimate businesses use illegitimate means to make money and enforce their operations.

the organized crime includes only the mafia-style organizations to me... italian mafia, yakuza and triads are probably the only real organized crime syndicates in the world because their very-long history, rules, hierachy

No lol...

The Yakuza and Triads are not like the Italian mob in any way, fuck tradition. They're very different from European organized crime groups.

[Faciulina]

The Yakuza and Triads are not like the Italian mob in any way, fu-- tradition. They're very different from European organized crime groups.

why not? they both have cerimony of initiation, very-long tradition, codes and hierarchy they are not so different

[VsichkoEBosh]

The Yakuza and Triads are not like the Italian mob in any way, fu-- tradition. They're very different from European organized crime groups.

why not? they both have cerimony of initiation, very-long tradition, codes and hierarchy they are not so different

Nevermind.